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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2010, 06:17:45 AM »
Airport body-scan radiation under scrutiny

(CNN) -- They're arriving at airports across the country. Some complain they are invasive and an assault on our privacy. But are body scanners at security checkpoints dangerous?

Some scientists and two major airline pilots unions contend not enough is known about the effects of the small doses of X-ray radiation emitted by one of the two types of airport scanning machines.

The Transportation Security Administration's advanced imaging technology machines use two separate means of creating images of passengers -- backscatter X-ray technology and millimeter-wave technology.

At the end of October, 189 backscatter units and 152 millimeter-wave machines were in use in more than 65 airports. The total number of imaging machines is expected to near 1,000 by the end of 2011, according to the TSA.

While the TSA says the machines are safe, backscatter technology raises concerns among some because it uses small doses of ionizing radiation. The use of millimeter-wave technology hasn't received the same attention, and radiation experts say it poses no known health risks.

The risk of harmful radiation exposure from backscatter scans is very small, according to David Brenner, director of the Center for Radiological Research at Columbia University and a professor of radiation biophysics.

But he said he is concerned about how widely the scanners will be used.

"If you think of the entire population of, shall we say a billion people per year going through these scanners, it's very likely that some number of those will develop cancer from the radiation from these scanners," Brenner said.


Skin cancer would likely be the primary concern, he said. Each time the same person receives a backscatter scan, the small risk associated with the low dose of radiation is multiplied by the number of exposures.

Brenner said the risk to an individual is "very small indeed" for a single scan. He said he is most concerned about frequent fliers, pilots and young people, because children are more sensitive to radiation.

Backscatter technology is safe, the TSA says, and enables the detection of nonmetallic threats, including weapons and explosives. It has been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration's(<==Useless agency bought out long ago by the corporations) Center for Devices and Radiological Health, the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, according to the agency.

"TSA sets strict standards for all of its technology to include detection capabilities, operational capabilities and health and safety standards. The two approved technologies that meet all of those standards are backscatter and millimeter wave," the agency said in a statement.

Full-body scanning is optional for all passengers passing through U.S. airports. Those who opt out of the screening technique will receive additional screening, including an enhanced pat-down procedure.

Two pilots unions, representing some 16,000 pilots, have urged their members to avoid full-body scanning, citing health concerns as a key reason.

Anyone who flies is exposed to increased cosmic radiation due to high altitudes, and many pilots experience this exposure almost daily. The TSA says each backscatter scan emits radiation equivalent to just two minutes of cosmic radiation at altitude.

Peter Rez, a professor of physics at Arizona State University, disagrees. Rez has independently calculated the radiation doses of backscatter scanners using the images produced by the machines.

"I came to the conclusion that although low, the dose was higher than they said," he said.

Based on his analysis, Rez estimates each scan produces radiation equivalent to 10 to 20 minutes of flight.

In April, four science and medical faculty members at the University of California, San Francisco, sent a letter to the director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy expressing concerns about potentially serious health risks related to the X-ray scanners.

In the letter they claimed there could be risks to various population segments, including children, senior citizens and women susceptible to breast cancer. The group also called for a clear screening policy for pregnant women once possible risks to the fetus are known. The group wants a review of existing data and recommendations for additional study by an independent panel of scientific experts.

Last month, the Department of Health and Human Services provided a point-by-point response to their concerns, asserting that the potential health risks from full-body X-ray screening are "minuscule."

The letter cites expert analysis, reports and recommendations spanning two decades. "As a result of those evidence-based, responsible actions, we are confident that full-body X-ray security products and practices do not pose a significant risk to the public health."

Dr. Marc Shuman, a cancer expert and one of the concerned California professors, said the four are in the process of writing a detailed response to the Department of Health and Human Services but called the agency's arguments "seriously flawed." Shuman said they believe there should be a moratorium on full-body scanning until further study is conducted.

The American College of Radiology, an organization of more than 34,000 professionals, including radiologists, oncologists and medical physicists, said it believes backscatter technology is safe.

"The ACR is not aware of any evidence that either of the scanning technologies that the TSA is considering would present significant biological effects for passengers screened," the organization said in a statement.

The organization referenced a report from the National Council on Radiation Protection and Measurements, citing that a traveler would need to receive 100 doses of backscatter radiation per year to reach what it calls a "Negligible Individual Dose."

"By these measurements, a traveler would require more than 1,000 such scans in a year to reach the effective dose equal to one standard chest X-ray," the group's statement said.

Rez estimates 50 to 100 doses of backscatter radiation would be equivalent to a chest X-ray. But he said the dose is not his main concern with backscatter machines.

"The thing that worries me the most, is not what happens if the machine works as advertised, but what happens if it doesn't," Rez said. A potential malfunction could increase the radiation dose, he said.

But there's really no case to be made for deploying any kind of body-scanning machine, Rez said.

cont... http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/12/body.scanning.radiation/index.html?hpt=T2


Now imagine a few items they didn't fully include:  One, imagine that your children will be raised going through these things from a young age until they are older--unless we stop it now.  A lifetime of extra uneeded exposure to every organ in their body...  Do these machines not pose a greater risk the older you are?  Do we not lose more of our natural ability to fight off cancer the older we get?  How about reproductive systems?  When you go into get an X-Ray, these areas are the ones they're most worried about exposing.  These same areas are the ones TSA is MOST interested in exposing!!!...

They'll have a thousand of these things going by next year.  There will be more gov buildings getting them, the day will come when there are checkpoints on roads that you have to go through just to drive to another part of the country. I'm not being paranoid or a conspiracy theorist on this.  With everything I've read, the facts all point to this being the direction.  It may even become regular for the backscatter vans to be in every major police department and used frequently in suspect neighborhoods.  These are all extremely likely senerios for the very near future and most certainly in our children's future.  I do not want this for them...  Please care about this issue.

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #26 on: November 13, 2010, 06:32:34 AM »
Just a question, but if someone HYPOTHETICALLY were to write in marker on their back or stomach "fuck TSA perverts" would it show up?  Just askin'......

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2010, 06:48:59 AM »
Just a question, but if someone HYPOTHETICALLY were to write in marker on their back or stomach "fuck TSA perverts" would it show up?  Just askin'......
depending on the ink, it could.  If you wanted it to, it would be easy to do.  Ironically, it would also be easy to pack liquids that wouldn't show up on the full body scanner which really has me wondering what the point is lol...

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2010, 10:10:26 AM »
You're an Obama loving commie! ;D
I hate the State.

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2010, 12:29:13 AM »
lol at this comment:

A couple TSA friends of mine at Anchorage International Airport are a little grossed out by this one. Evidently TSA was having a little trouble getting their agents to actually mess with guys testicles. So who wound up somehow doing that job? You guessed it. That job is now being "handled" by what appears to be a "Fag Squad." The American government is getting creepier and creepier. Now you have to get felt up by queers to travel in America. I wonder if this is what the Founding Fathers had in mind in 1776? Even the British in 1776 weren't this bad. Felt up by queers or irradiated with x-rays. At least we're free! God bless the good old US of A. Where men are men and travelers are queer bait.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/blog-post/2010/11/tsa_tempest_growing_ban_the_bo.html

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2010, 03:45:42 AM »
Full Body Scanner FAILS To Detect Bomb Parts During Demonstration (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/23/full-body-scanner-fails-t_n_433286.html

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2010, 06:55:28 AM »
Flying out of Sacramento this morning......  Don't think i want to cause a Disturbance. I just want to get the dam Plane.     I wonder if they'll buy me a drink before they feel me up?

I don't think they have the scanners there yet. Lol

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2010, 07:24:45 AM »


Obama Orders Billion Dollars In Strip-Search Scanners - TSA Agents Check Passengers' Genitals - Why?
Here's The Right Side Of It ^ | November 13, 2010 | John L. Work


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WorldNetDaily’s Bob Unruh reports today that Barack Obama gave instructions to the Homeland Security Department to spend one billion dollars on purchasing airport electronic body scanning equipment – the same devices that conduct de-facto strip searches for viewing by TSA personnel. The alternative to the strip search is a pat down search that includes touching of the passengers’ genitalia. So, what’s really going on, folks? Here’s Unruh’s story in its entirety:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=227489
 

Some brief excerpts I’ve culled are here:

“…”Legislation has been proposed to mandate full-body scanners and make them the primary screening method in all U.S. airports by 2013, but Congress has yet to act on it,” John Whitehead, president of the Rutherford Institute, wrote in a new commentary…”

“…in the wake of the bumbling underwear bomber’s botched Christmas Day attempt to blow up a Detroit-bound plane, Obama directed the Homeland Security Department ‘to acquire $1 billion in advanced-technology equipment, including body scanners, for screening passengers,’” he continued…”

“…”We’ve gotten tons of e-mails, mainly from females about the invasions of the body scanners,” Whitehead said. “In one case, a mother [told how] her 12-year-old daughter was pulled out of the security line, and [TSA] did touch her breast and vaginal areas.

“This is an unreasonable search and seizure,” he said…”

Perhaps. The Courts are the final arbiter of what constitutes an unreasonable search. My question is, what lies beneath the obvious here?

As airlines passengers we have two choices, both of them very unpleasant and demeaning – humiliating might be the appropriate word: Virtual nudity or having TSA agents’ hands on our private parts – perhaps down inside our pants, as one pilot in Unruh’s story described. Here’s what I believe could be in play:

1) Will these policies discourage people from flying? I believe they will. I, for one, refuse to participate in the madness and will not fly anywhere.

2) Would a significant loss of profits from decreased air traffic put the airlines into deeper financial trouble? I think so.

3) If the airlines industry were to financially collapse, would Obama consider seizing it and nationalizing it? We already have the deceased General Motors and Chrysler Corporations as precedents.

4) Could this airport security gambit be one part of the over-all scheme that Obama is working to induce a total collapse of the economy? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh’s theories, you can begin to believe that all of this current economic chaos is deliberate and part of the larger plan – to create a catastrophic failure of our financial system and plunge us into complete disorder.

So, yes – I can believe that Obama wants to bust the airlines industry, too.


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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2010, 10:25:17 PM »
TSA agent allegedly yells out, "I have power. I have power."


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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 02:48:21 PM »
TSA agent allegedly yells out, "I have power. I have power."


very sick people.  Of sourse when on average their last job was flipping burgers and housecleaning, I bet they do feel special ::)

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2010, 01:28:35 AM »


There's only one error in the video.  One of the Fox guys says that the upcoming Opt Out day is asking people to opt out of full body scans and demand to be strip searched.  That's not true, they're asking people to opt out and go through the enhanced Pat down and to make sure it's done in public view so others can see the invasion it is.

http://www.optoutday.com/

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2010, 02:36:59 AM »
(CBS) Should John Tyner - the airline passenger shown resisting a security pat-down in the now-infamous "Don't touch my junk" video - be worried about more than touchy-feely security guards?

A small, but growing, group of scientists is now saying that low levels of radiation emitted by airport body scanners might be the bigger concern - not our naked junk.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration acknowledges that the X-ray technology used in the scanners poses a cancer risk, albeit one they say is "so low it presents an extremely small risk."

"A person receives more radiation from naturally occurring sources in less than an hour of ordinary living than from one screening with any general-use X-ray security system," writes FDA Engineer Daniel Kassiday.

That sounds reassuring, but there have been no studies to date indicating what repeated exposure to the X-rays means to frequent air travelers.

In May, four scientists from the University of California San Francisco wrote to the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy expressing concerns that the scanners might expose the skin to high doses of X-rays that could increase the risk of cancer and other health problems, particularly among older travelers, pregnant women and people with weak immune systems, wrote the Los Angeles Times.

Even before that, Bloomberg News got its hands on an Inter-Agency Committee on Radiation Safety (IACRS) report, in which the agency said that pregnant women and children should not be subject to scanning, even though the radiation dose from body scanners is "extremely small."

The IACRS includes the European Commission, International Atomic Energy Agency, Nuclear Energy Agency and the World Health Organization.

Governments were advised to consider "other techniques to achieve the same end without the use of ionizing radiation," Bloomberg reported.

Frequent exposure to low doses of radiation can lead to cancer and birth defects, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. But how much is too much?


The good news is most of the body scanners deliver less radiation than a passenger is likely to receive from cosmic rays while airborne, according to the IACRS.

The bad news, the report said, is we won't really know what exposing millions of people to the machines will do until we actually expose millions of people to the machines.

As for Tyner, his videotaped refusal to let TSA officials scan him or pat him down has made him a bit of a folk hero. But long after his 15 minutes of cable news fame have expired, Americans will have to consider whether they want to get zapped by body scanners or get used to having TSA officials touch their junk.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20022861-10391704.html

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2010, 03:02:48 AM »
They say these body scanners can detect plastic explosives.  That's what I just read anyway.  I seriously doubt that.  Yea maybe if they had thick bricks of it strapped around their body.  But would it detect thin layer strapped around body parts?  I really doubt it and neither would groping someone's breasts or nutsack....

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."--Benjamin Franklin

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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2010, 05:21:34 AM »
As Drudge says on his sight - the terreroists have won with this crappola. 


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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2010, 10:20:31 AM »
Rubbish rules that take away freedom in the name of safety.  Been doing it since the Bush admin and now the government is too scared to repeal in case an attack happens, then they will get the blame. 
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Re: TSA Anti-American Constitution Hating Thugs
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2010, 10:22:08 AM »
Rubbish rules that take away freedom in the name of safety.  Been doing it since the Bush admin and now the government is too scared to repeal in case an attack happens, then they will get the blame. 

True - very true. 

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« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2010, 11:41:17 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2010, 02:50:18 PM »