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Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« on: November 11, 2010, 06:08:52 AM »
I have only watched TV coverage, but not read up on them yet.  Some sound very common-sense, example the cuts in fed employees.....but really didn't like to hear the tax on employer paid insurance.....

what are your guys takes on this?

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2010, 06:10:31 AM »
I agree with a lot of what they are proposing. 

Not everything, like the .15 cent gas tax and some other minor crap, but by and large 0- has to be done. 

Anyone doubting we need this drastically and asap needs to check this out. 

www.usdebtclock.org



   

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2010, 06:15:18 AM »
I agree with a lot of what they are proposing. 

Not everything, like the .15 cent gas tax and some other minor crap, but by and large 0- has to be done. 

Anyone doubting we need this drastically and asap needs to check this out. 

www.usdebtclock.org

  

honestly, that was my gut reaction, I just wasn't sure if I was missing something.  I have to agree that while it might be a bit painful at first, it really needs to be done.

One thing I wasn't 100% sold on was the homes over $500k not being able to deduct the interest....I really don't mind the 2nd home thing.....but the 500k thing just seems a bit unfair....for example where I live, it is probably an accurate gauge on who can and can't pay the tax....but in places like Cali and the northeast, damn near everybody s home is worht over 500k.....maybe some type of adjustment related to home value in a particular area would help?  I'm not sure.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2010, 06:20:50 AM »
They are talking about phasing this in over a long time and having lower overall rates for the income tax in return. 


Honestly - I thought the recommendations would be far more drastic.  If Obama and the GOP are forthright on this, I will support it. 

We have to do this, its mathmatical reality.   

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2010, 06:23:43 AM »
They are talking about phasing this in over a long time and having lower overall rates for the income tax in return. 


Honestly - I thought the recommendations would be far more drastic.  If Obama and the GOP are forthright on this, I will support it. 

We have to do this, its mathmatical reality.   

When i heard it first mentioned I thought "oh boy, what is this going to look like?"  But as they popped up the basics of it on the screen I found myself agreeing with all of them......at least in part.  If they can get this done, I will be impressed.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2010, 06:26:20 AM »
When i heard it first mentioned I thought "oh boy, what is this going to look like?"  But as they popped up the basics of it on the screen I found myself agreeing with all of them......at least in part.  If they can get this done, I will be impressed.

I don't agree with the gasoline tax, but I agree with most other things. 

The loons on the far left are just completely oblivious to the realities of the mess we are in. 

Its almost comical having a discussion with liberals on these issues.  Like dealing with a 9 year old. 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2010, 06:29:13 AM »
I don't agree with the gasoline tax, but I agree with most other things. 

The loons on the far left are just completely oblivious to the realities of the mess we are in. 

Its almost comical having a discussion with liberals on these issues.  Like dealing with a 9 year old. 

amazing to think what exactly do they want to be cut if they want to address the budget issues....  I thought they seemed very reasonable, but like you I'm not a fan of the gas tax hike, but you know I'm not going to blow a gasket over it....hell gas will be jacked up enough by then that we will probably barely notice it.

I really do think modern liberalism is a type of mental disorder.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2010, 06:36:02 AM »


An Opening Volley against the Deficit (The Commission's recommendation starts reasonably)
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We are both pleasantly surprised and modestly encouraged by the program outlined by Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, the co-chairmen of the president’s deficit-reduction task force. There’s no VAT in sight, nor is there unrealistic happy-talk about balancing the budget through a federal Taylorism campaign or symbolic assaults on the unholy trinity of waste, fraud, and abuse. Instead, there is a serious series of concrete proposals for constraining entitlement costs, simplifying the tax code, and putting a leash on future federal expenditures. Whereas the Obama-Reid-Pelosi triumvirate had put the country on the road toward a national debt topping 200 percent of GDP — with $1 trillion a year in interest payments alone — the Bowles-Simpson program would stabilize the debt and begin reducing it. The program would keep the debt to 40 percent of GDP in 2037 and would bring annual deficits down to a more manageable 2.2 percent of GDP by 2015, and 1 percent in the following years.

The plan has serious defects, the main one being that it establishes a historically high level of federal claims on the economy — with government revenue equal to 21 percent of GDP — as the new normal. But it is a good start, and it represents the sort of bipartisan starting point that even the most Tea Party–steeped Republican insurgents could begin with while remaining true to their core conservative values. That is not something we’d expected to write about a proposal produced by a go-along-get-along Republican retiree and Bill Clinton’s old chief of staff.

There is no getting around the fact that the plan contains a very large tax hike in the form of abolishing such familiar and cherished exemptions as the mortgage-interest deduction. Mr. Bowles estimates that the program is three-quarters spending cuts and one-quarter tax hikes. But in giving up the complex menu of special-interest tax write-offs, the Bowles-Simpson proposal greatly simplifies the tax code and enables an across-the-board reduction of tax rates — leaving three tax brackets at 8 percent, 14 percent, and 23 percent — with additional savings accruing to taxpayers in the form of lower IRS-compliance costs. We would have preferred two brackets, more generous tax treatment of investments (including investments in children), and deeper reductions in, if not the abolition of, the U.S. corporate-income tax as well — American companies pay the world’s second-highest rate — which could contribute significantly to growth in both employment and economic output. And while the mortgage-interest deduction should indeed be phased out, that is a policy that should be implemented with the utmost care: It will likely further reduce housing prices, a necessary development that should happen — but happen slowly, lest we set off a new round of crises in the securities markets.

The proposals for entitlement reform are likewise painful but necessary: raising the age of eligibility for Social Security and reducing future benefits payments under that program and Medicare. A steeper and more straightforward means-testing approach would be welcome, as would the addition of voluntary Social Security add-on accounts that would give retirees more control over their own futures.

There is an ideological oddity in the proposal’s treatment of discretionary-spending cuts in that it creates two arbitrary categories, defense and non-defense, and insists on separate cuts to each. Specific defense programs may be ripe for reductions or reform, but Pentagon spending is not at historically high levels — or even at historically high peacetime levels — unlike much of the rest of the federal government. It would be more sensible to establish a single target for reductions in all discretionary spending and then to proceed as our national priorities dictate, since there is no reason to presume that the Pentagon must be the target of specific directed cuts when Washington offers such a target-rich environment. If abolishing the Small Business Administration saves a brigade or two, that may very well be a trade worth making, and national defense remains one of the few core federal priorities in which policy cannot be subordinated to strictly budgetary concerns. If federal departments are to be singled out for cuts, we recommend the Departments of Energy, Labor, and Education. (The USDA’s byzantine agribusiness-welfare program already is in the crosshairs.)

Mr. Simpson says too much when he claims that he and his co-chairman “have harpooned every whale in the ocean and some of the minnows.” There are plenty of fat fish in the federal sea, and at least one Kraken: The Bowles-Simpson proposal studiously avoids mention of Obamacare, which, most budget realists appreciate, promises to add trillions of dollars to the national debt over the years, particularly if, as expected, its spending targets are exceeded while other fiscal mechanisms — specifically, cutting doctors’ Medicare payments by 21 percent or more (as promised by separate legislation) and imposing the “Cadillac” tax on expensive health-care plans such as those enjoyed by President Obama’s union constituents — are put off. The law of the land has for years called for precisely the same Medicare cuts that the new legislation alleges to require, and each year Congress has declined to administer that bitter pill to America’s physicians. Sensible health-care reform — and Obamacare is not it — will be necessary to ensure the long-term solvency of American government. Which is to say, Republicans should regard this as a starting point, not as the finish line. But Mr. Bowles and Mr. Simpson have performed a public service by beginning the conversation on mature and realistic footing.


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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2010, 06:44:03 AM »
Good article.  And one touch-point being from rural America that I have always thought should be cut was the farm subsidy program....and believe me that isn't a popular thing in rural areas, but it is LONG past due.  I know willie nelson/FarmAid brought attention to the plight of American farmers, but when an industry dries up, you move on, not pay the people to NOT produce..... that should have been set-up as a transitional program to help them get retrained, etc... for other employment. I have family members who owned farms, but were too small to get any real help from the govt....know what they did?  Changed crops, or just moved on to other careers....  longing for the past without addressing the present is childish and counterproductive.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2010, 06:46:28 AM »
That always made me wonder WTF !!!!  Paying people NOT TO GROW FOOD? 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2010, 06:49:39 AM »
That always made me wonder WTF !!!!  Paying people NOT TO GROW FOOD? 

Exactly.  They always turned it into a tear jerker story about the farmer.....but damn, what about the taxpayers paying him not to grow?  Like I said, just have a transitional program where they can learn a new skill/trade or shift the focus of their land with help, etc... but to just endlessly pay them not to grow food while there are people in the world, and even the US, who go to bed hungry at night or families that struggle to put food on the table is just insanity.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2010, 06:53:22 AM »
Exactly.  They always turned it into a tear jerker story about the farmer.....but damn, what about the taxpayers paying him not to grow?  Like I said, just have a transitional program where they can learn a new skill/trade or shift the focus of their land with help, etc... but to just endlessly pay them not to grow food while there are people in the world, and even the US, who go to bed hungry at night or families that struggle to put food on the table is just insanity.

To me - I would pay him more to grow even more and use those foods to feed the welfare people are truly poor and do away with food stamps. 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2010, 06:57:28 AM »
To me - I would pay him more to grow even more and use those foods to feed the welfare people are truly poor and do away with food stamps. 

So true.  A couple of smaller town in the western part of our state have local programs that are similar to that....it is pretty much ran by the churches, who take donated food from the local farmers and then get it to the needy. 

Very common sense approach, and like you said, pay the farmers to grow the food for the welfare programs.....better foods, farmers make a living and the needy get what they need.  Seems like a win all around.....and even more so for taxpayers.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2010, 07:07:25 AM »
If you want to see delusional leftists on full display check this out. 


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4609226


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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2010, 07:09:07 AM »
If you want to see delusional leftists on full display check this out. 


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4609226



wow.......and notice none of the ones on this board are even weighing in on this thread......too much common sense, so it's boring them....

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2010, 07:14:00 AM »
wow.......and notice none of the ones on this board are even weighing in on this thread......too much common sense, so it's boring them....

Blacken is figuring out which post to steal to throw in to this thread. 

Benny is getting use of his new Barack Blow Up doll. 



What gets me about libs is that they dont even think there is a problem with all these programs in the first place other than that people are not already paying enough in taxes and should be fact be paying a lot more! 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2010, 07:28:17 AM »
Blacken is figuring out which post to steal to throw in to this thread. 

Benny is getting use of his new Barack Blow Up doll. 



What gets me about libs is that they dont even think there is a problem with all these programs in the first place other than that people are not already paying enough in taxes and should be fact be paying a lot more! 

And you just know that because you and I support these measures, at least initially.....they are going to come up with some half-assed reason not to......I would bet on it.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2010, 07:34:36 AM »
And you just know that because you and I support these measures, at least initially.....they are going to come up with some half-assed reason not to......I would bet on it.

True - and to be honest - this really is not a horrible plan and i was expecting far worse. 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2010, 02:54:25 PM »
Here we go.   ::)  ::)

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NOW Calls On President Obama To Reject Fiscal Commission's Assault On Social Security
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NOW Calls On President Obama To Reject Fiscal Commission's Assault On Social Security Statement of NOW President Terry O'Neill

November 11, 2010

"Millions of women will be pushed into poverty and out of the middle class if preliminary recommendations for cutting Social Security benefits made by the National Commission for Fiscal Responsibility and Reform are adopted," NOW President Terry O'Neill says.

"Co-chairs Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles have come up with a proposal that would move Social Security toward being a welfare program, rather than the guaranteed income security program it is designed to be," O'Neill says. "That's the opposite of what's needed. In fact, benefits need to be improved -- not cut -- for women. At a time when so many working families are struggling, the co-chairs' proposal is terrible policy. I hope we can count on the president to reject it out of hand."

The Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs' Proposal suggests increasing the payroll tax to capture 90 percent of wages by 2050. O'Neill says: "We should just scrap the cap on taxable income entirely right now, and increase benefits for all. That would ensure Social Security solvency far into the 21st century and provide for an economically secure retirement for all workers."

"Increasing the retirement age -- even though it is gradual -- is one of their worst ideas, O'Neill continued. "Millions of women and men who work at physically demanding jobs cannot work into their late 60's. For them, extending the retirement age will amount to a deep and cruel benefit cut."

"Strengthening everyone's income security should be a primary goal of this administration and of the new Congress. This past election was a clear demonstration that people are hurting because of the recession's effect on employment, housing values, and savings. Undermining Social Security is absolutely the wrong way to go," O'Neill said.

NOW calls upon President Obama to reject the Co-Chairs' Proposal and commit his administration to strengthening Social Security by scrapping the cap and increasing benefits for the hard-working people of this country.


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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2010, 03:19:31 AM »
Here we go.   ::)  ::)

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NOW Calls On President Obama To Reject Fiscal Commission's Assault On Social Security
www.now.org ^


She thinks money falls from heaven apparently seemes to be living in a fantasy world stupid bitch


________________________ ____________________

NOW Calls On President Obama To Reject Fiscal Commission's Assault On Social Security Statement of NOW President Terry O'Neill

November 11, 2010

"Millions of women will be pushed into poverty and out of the middle class if preliminary recommendations for cutting Social Security benefits made by the National Commission for Fiscal Responsibility and Reform are adopted," NOW President Terry O'Neill says.

"Co-chairs Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles have come up with a proposal that would move Social Security toward being a welfare program, rather than the guaranteed income security program it is designed to be," O'Neill says. "That's the opposite of what's needed. In fact, benefits need to be improved -- not cut -- for women. At a time when so many working families are struggling, the co-chairs' proposal is terrible policy. I hope we can count on the president to reject it out of hand."

The Fiscal Commission Co-Chairs' Proposal suggests increasing the payroll tax to capture 90 percent of wages by 2050. O'Neill says: "We should just scrap the cap on taxable income entirely right now, and increase benefits for all. That would ensure Social Security solvency far into the 21st century and provide for an economically secure retirement for all workers."

"Increasing the retirement age -- even though it is gradual -- is one of their worst ideas, O'Neill continued. "Millions of women and men who work at physically demanding jobs cannot work into their late 60's. For them, extending the retirement age will amount to a deep and cruel benefit cut."

"Strengthening everyone's income security should be a primary goal of this administration and of the new Congress. This past election was a clear demonstration that people are hurting because of the recession's effect on employment, housing values, and savings. Undermining Social Security is absolutely the wrong way to go," O'Neill said.

NOW calls upon President Obama to reject the Co-Chairs' Proposal and commit his administration to strengthening Social Security by scrapping the cap and increasing benefits for the hard-working people of this country.



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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2010, 05:20:06 AM »
We need to do something of this nature. 

The math is horrific.

www.usdebtclock.org


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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2010, 05:51:16 AM »
It absolutely astounds me the over-the-top selfishness of this all the while trying to act like they are doing it for the "hard working people of America...."  Hey, assholes, how about those of us who won't ever see a penny of SS if the system isn't repaired?  Not to mention the amount of debt we are heaping on generations to come with our out of control budget?  But those things don't matter to the selfish shrews of NOW.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2010, 05:54:21 AM »
All of these left wing groups are akin to locusts. 

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2010, 05:56:14 AM »
All of these left wing groups are akin to locusts. 

Its so annoying how it's always about "the hard working American people" when in reality they don't care at all about the vast majority of Americans, present and future, it's just about what is best for their little niche.

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Re: Thoughts on the budget cuts....
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2010, 11:24:12 AM »
Bump...


Just keep hearing about the "outrage" from the public on this, but nothing about what specifically people are jacked up about...