Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'

[James28]

Ronnie kills dorian

How the gimmicks start crawling out of the woodwork now.

[NarcissisticDeity]

In this case of taking precontest versions into consideration I hate to admit Dorian could be better than Ronnie.

Is that the 95 shot you're talking about? I thought it was the BDB one.

Yes that's the one Kevin posted he's 283lbs and this is in 1995 years before Ronnie competed at a similar weight in 2003

the back double biceps is from 1993

[NarcissisticDeity]

How the gimmicks start crawling out of the woodwork now.

HEHEHEHEHEHEH it's probably Hulkster or Bizzy 

[JP_RC]

you're severely under-estimating Flex , I wont say 1999 was a close contest because Flex was crushed but 1998 was extremely close either way you slice it , Flex was slightly off in 1998 because he competed at the Arnold and still pushed Ronnie , he said outright if he come in that shape he would beat Ronnie

the 1998 Olympia like many people said was won by Ronnie because of his hams & glutes which Flex had a problem with and Ronnie didn't and when contests are close it's things like that that can separate a winner from a loser

conditioning was never the same everyone knows this and Dorian in the 96 grand prix looks bigger to me and looks , looks more complete , looks wider to boot , I think if it were hypothetically close what would swing it in Dorian's favor would be he's more complete , he had better posing & presentation and Ronnie would have bitch-tits and that's saying if it were close

you're severely under-estimating Flex , I wont say 1999 was a close contest because Flex was crushed but 1998 was extremely close either way you slice it , Flex was slightly off in 1998 because he competed at the Arnold and still pushed Ronnie , he said outright if he come in that shape he would beat Ronnie

the 1998 Olympia like many people said was won by Ronnie because of his hams & glutes which Flex had a problem with and Ronnie didn't and when contests are close it's things like that that can separate a winner from a loser

To you did Flex have close conditioning to Ronnie? Did he carry more size? What were Flex's advantages? Other than abs nothing.

conditioning was never the same everyone knows this and Dorian in the 96 grand prix looks bigger to me and looks , looks more complete , looks wider to boot , I think if it were hypothetically close what would swing it in Dorian's favor would be he's more complete , he had better posing & presentation and Ronnie would have bitch-tits and that's saying if it were close

Dorian looks bigger to you?  The only thing Dorian has 'bigger' are calves. Arms, chest, quads, and delts are all the same size between the two and Ronnie has better shape to some of them.

Dorian looks wider because Ronnie is slightly turned to the left.

[NarcissisticDeity]

To you did Flex have close conditioning to Ronnie? Did he carry more size? What were Flex's advantages? Other than abs nothing.

Dorian looks bigger to you?  The only thing Dorian has 'bigger' are calves. Arms, chest, quads, and delts are all the same size between the two and Ronnie has better shape to some of them.

Dorian looks wider because Ronnie is slightly turned to the left.

To you did Flex have close conditioning to Ronnie? Did he carry more size? What were Flex's advantages? Other than abs nothing.

his conditioning was close but what did him in was his hams & glutes , Flex NEVER EVER need to carry more size to beat Ronnie , he had no advantages according to you other than abs this shows how ignorant you are , he beat Ronnie as many times as Ronnie beat him did he do so all those time with just abs? 

Dorian looks bigger to you?  The only thing Dorian has 'bigger' are calves. Arms, chest, quads, and delts are all the same size between the two and Ronnie has better shape to some of them.

Dorian looks wider because Ronnie is slightly turned to the left.

Sure he looks bigger all-over and he's not even close to his best but neither is Ronnie , Dorian looks more complete to boot and the conditioning is night & day

in this pic both are dead on Ronnie isn't flexed yet but I think it's clear who has wider clavicles

[Mr.1derful]

To you did Flex have close conditioning to Ronnie? Did he carry more size? What were Flex's advantages? Other than abs nothing.

Dorian looks bigger to you?   The only thing Dorian has 'bigger' are calves. Arms, chest, quads, and delts are all the same size between the two and Ronnie has better shape to some of them.

Dorian looks wider because Ronnie is slightly turned to the left.



It isn't close.  Yates murders him.

[JP_RC]

his conditioning was close but what did him in was his hams & glutes , Flex NEVER EVER need to carry more size to beat Ronnie , he had no advantages according to you other than abs this shows how ignorant you are , he beat Ronnie as many times as Ronnie beat him did he do so all those time with just abs? 

Sure he looks bigger all-over and he's not even close to his best but neither is Ronnie , Dorian looks more complete to boot and the conditioning is night & day

in this pic both are dead on Ronnie isn't flexed yet but I think it's clear who has wider clavicles

his conditioning was close but what did him in was his hams & glutes , Flex NEVER EVER need to carry more size to beat Ronnie , he had no advantages according to you other than abs this shows how ignorant you are , he beat Ronnie as many times as Ronnie beat him did he do so all those time with just abs? 

1. He beat Ronnie when Ronnie was far from his best.
2. If Flex never needed more size to beat Ronnie, then why did he tried to play the size game with him? If Flex didn't carry more size and was beaten in conditioning too what else did he have left?
3. Since I'm ignorant and you're the "expert" then what were Flex's advantages in 98?

Sure he looks bigger all-over and he's not even close to his best but neither is Ronnie , Dorian looks more complete to boot and the conditioning is night & day

in this pic both are dead on Ronnie isn't flexed yet but I think it's clear who has wider clavicles

Take the same pic with Ronnie in 98 and the conditioning won't be a night & day difference. And yes Dorian would've better balance & proportion, but Ronnie would've symmetry for him.
As far as the size thing it seems we're looking at different pics.

[JP_RC]

  I guess you didn't expect your thread to go as far as this didn't you?

You started it so now just deal with it punk.

[JP_RC]

To you did Flex have close conditioning to Ronnie? Did he carry more size? What were Flex's advantages? Other than abs nothing.

Dorian looks bigger to you?   The only thing Dorian has 'bigger' are calves. Arms, chest, quads, and delts are all the same size between the two and Ronnie has better shape to some of them.

Dorian looks wider because Ronnie is slightly turned to the left.



It isn't close.  Yates murders him.

Those comparison scans posted by ND are from the 96 grand prix correct? Same as this video of Dorian you just posted. Ronnie looks close to equally bigger there....now bring 98 Ronnie conditioning into it and its not as far as you think.

Explain why/how Dorian murders him.

[NarcissisticDeity]

1. He beat Ronnie when Ronnie was far from his best.
2. If Flex never needed more size to beat Ronnie, then why did he tried to play the size game with him? If Flex didn't carry more size and was beaten in conditioning too what else did he have left?
3. Since I'm ignorant and you're the "expert" then what were Flex's advantages in 98?

Take the same pic with Ronnie in 98 and the conditioning won't be a night & day difference. And yes Dorian would've better balance & proportion, but Ronnie would've symmetry for him.
As far as the size thing it seems we're looking at different pics.

1. He beat Ronnie when Ronnie was far from his best.
2. If Flex never needed more size to beat Ronnie, then why did he tried to play the size game with him? If Flex didn't carry more size and was beaten in conditioning too what else did he have left?
3. Since I'm ignorant and you're the "expert" then what were Flex's advantages in 98?

1 - Ronnie beat Flex when he was far from his best what's that have to do with anything?
2 - he never tried to play the size game with him , in fact every time he beat Ronnie he was noticeably smaller , he tried to add more size true doesn't mean he was trying to beat Ronnie at his game , Flex always admitted he was a hard gainer and size always came very slowly for him
3 - you're ignorant because of the gross over-statement and for trying to claim if these parts and all better than they all add up for the better whole not how it works

Take the same pic with Ronnie in 98 and the conditioning won't be a night & day difference. And yes Dorian would've better balance & proportion, but Ronnie would've symmetry for him.
As far as the size thing it seems we're looking at different pics.

conditioning will always be night & day , it's really not open for discussion even compared to 1998 , Peter McGough said outright that ( at that time ) he felt the best physique he's seen was Ronnie 2001 yet he was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , never means not 1998 , not 2001 , not 1999 , Dorian already confirmed this and said he had better conditioning than Ronnie.

Dorian at his best Olympia which is 1995 or 1993 would be bigger , harder , drier have better balance & proportion more complete and he's a better poser and he has NO gyno

now bump it up to Dorian at 283lbs lets say conditioning in a push compared to 1998 , Dorian obliterates him on size , balance & proportion , he's complete and he's a better poser

you pick a year and I'll show you how Dorian would beat him

[JP_RC]

1 - Ronnie beat Flex when he was far from his best what's that have to do with anything?
2 - he never tried to play the size game with him , in fact every time he beat Ronnie he was noticeably smaller , he tried to add more size true doesn't mean he was trying to beat Ronnie at his game , Flex always admitted he was a hard gainer and size always came very slowly for him
3 - you're ignorant because of the gross over-statement and for trying to claim if these parts and all better than they all add up for the better whole not how it works

conditioning will always be night & day , it's really not open for discussion even compared to 1998 , Peter McGough said outright that ( at that time ) he felt the best physique he's seen was Ronnie 2001 yet he was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , never means not 1998 , not 2001 , not 1999 , Dorian already confirmed this and said he had better conditioning than Ronnie.

Dorian at his best Olympia which is 1995 or 1993 would be bigger , harder , drier have better balance & proportion more complete and he's a better poser and he has NO gyno

now bump it up to Dorian at 283lbs lets say conditioning in a push compared to 1998 , Dorian obliterates him on size , balance & proportion , he's complete and he's a better poser

you pick a year and I'll show you how Dorian would beat him

1 - Ronnie beat Flex when he was far from his best what's that have to do with anything?
2 - he never tried to play the size game with him , in fact every time he beat Ronnie he was noticeably smaller , he tried to add more size true doesn't mean he was trying to beat Ronnie at his game , Flex always admitted he was a hard gainer and size always came very slowly for him
3 - you're ignorant because of the gross over-statement and for trying to claim if these parts and all better than they all add up for the better whole not how it works

I'll ask one more time, what were Flex's advantages in 98?

conditioning will always be night & day , it's really not open for discussion even compared to 1998 , Peter McGough said outright that ( at that time ) he felt the best physique he's seen was Ronnie 2001 yet he was NEVER harder or drier than Dorian , never means not 1998 , not 2001 , not 1999 , Dorian already confirmed this and said he had better conditioning than Ronnie.

Dorian at his best Olympia which is 1995 or 1993 would be bigger , harder , drier have better balance & proportion more complete and he's a better poser and he has NO gyno

now bump it up to Dorian at 283lbs lets say conditioning in a push compared to 1998 , Dorian obliterates him on size , balance & proportion , he's complete and he's a better poser

you pick a year and I'll show you how Dorian would beat him

I guess this is going nowhere: you still say Dorian is bigger with such certainty when its much likely Ronnie would look just as big as him despite being lighter. You say Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning and use McGough's word on it when he clearly said "Ronnie was never harder or drier", he never said Ronnie wasn't equally as conditioned or close to it. I know Dorian has the advantage on balance & proportion, but you're ignoring symmetry.

I think it would be close, you think Dorian would win easily.......let's just leave it at that (some people are getting tired of this thread apparently )

[NarcissisticDeity]

I'll ask one more time, what were Flex's advantages in 98?

I guess this is going nowhere: you still say Dorian is bigger with such certainty when its much likely Ronnie would look just as big as him despite being lighter. You say Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning and use McGough's word on it when he clearly said "Ronnie was never harder or drier", he never said Ronnie wasn't equally as conditioned or close to it. I know Dorian has the advantage on balance & proportion, but you're ignoring symmetry.

I think it would be close, you think Dorian would win easily.......let's just leave it at that (some people are getting tired of this thread apparently )

I'll ask one more time, what were Flex's advantages in 98?

abs   triceps , proportions , symmetry overall physique harmony , abdominals , intercostals , serratus , lower lats striations ,  posing , he had plenty of advantages to claim he only had abs is ignorant and a gross overstatement

I guess this is going nowhere: you still say Dorian is bigger with such certainty when its much likely Ronnie would look just as big as him despite being lighter. You say Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning and use McGough's word on it when he clearly said "Ronnie was never harder or drier", he never said Ronnie wasn't equally as conditioned or close to it. I know Dorian has the advantage on balance & proportion, but you're ignoring symmetry.

yes Dorian at 260lbs ( 1995 ) bone dry & rock hard will look noticeably bigger than Ronnie ( 1998 ) at 249lbs , Dorian at 269lbs ( 93 B&W ) would make him look even smaller , Dorian at 283lbs ( pre-contest 1995 ) I mean get serious , Ronnie at his best is around 247-249lbs max , Dorian at what many consider his best is almost 20lbs heavier ( 93 precontest ) if you don't think I can say with a degree of certainty that Dorian would make him look smaller knowing this you're being silly

I think everyone says Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning , I honestly don't see anyone of credibility claiming otherwise , in fact Dorian said he had better conditioning when asked if he could beat Ronnie , McGough didn't say a LOT of things what he did say is Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian , I think it's obvious who does and I like to be fair and say maybe Ronnie did but only at his lightest 98/01 , it's easy being light and hard much , much harder to replicate at heavier weights

Ronnie 98 his best conditioning , he goes up 7-8lbs in 99 and his conditioning suffers for it , gains another 7lbs from 99 to 00 and guess what his conditioning yet again suffers , see a pattern here? Dorian could get away with being heavier while maintaining this same conditioning , there is a vast difference between being 269lbs hard as nails and dry as the dessert than 249lbs , so lets say the conditioning is a push , Dorians still carrying more muscular bulk with equal conditioning so we're back to the other criteria

balance & proportion , posing & presentation , who's more complete? whose more complete? see where this is going? and symmetry is part if balance & proportion I thought I explained this? Ronnie meets part of this criteria better than Dorian , smaller waist , smaller hips , smaller joints , then factor in the other part of symmetry balance & proportion , Dorian , now seeing all rounds are physique rounds , we must now apply ALL of this criteria at once

Muscular Bulk - Dorian
Density - lets push
dryness - lets push
balance - Dorian
proportion - Dorian
' symmetry ' - Ronnie
posing - Dorian
presentation  - Dorian
gyno - Ronnie

take a guess who the criteria favors?

I think it would be close, you think Dorian would win easily.......let's just leave it at that (some people are getting tired of this thread apparently )

I don't think 1998 would be close at all , maybe 2001 would be maybe 03 , it's all speculation but what we do know if Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times  

[Hulkster]

Is it just me, or has Hulkster become a "lone wolf" on this board?  Those who prefer Ronnie for legitimate reasons have distanced themselves from him because his arguments are based on falsities.  Maybe that should tell you something, Hulkster -- you're delusional.

yes, it is just you. speaking of falsities, check out your fellow nuthuggers conspiracy theories about faked video clips LOL

[Hulkster]

Yes, but how do you know how Ronnie looked "x" weeks out from "x" contest?  How do you know his absolute best look wasn't captured unlike Dorian?

I think its best to just use their actual contest presentations.

the nuthuggers don't want to compare contest to contest because dorian loses.

even his signature lat spread gets beat by a 99 ronnie.

and they know it.

[Hulkster]

^
notice how ronnie in 99 looks very much like Flex 93 only with more size and lats.

its the same old story:

dorian had the size and the back.

ronnie had the size, the back but the aesthetics to complement it all.

dorian never did. he was a fridge. the jay cutler of the 90's as Pumpster used to say LOL

[NarcissisticDeity]

the nuthuggers don't want to compare contest to contest because dorian loses.

even his signature lat spread gets beat by a 99 ronnie.

and they know it.

Hey you get credit for posting legit pics 

no ONE beats Dorian in this pose 

[NarcissisticDeity]

^
notice how ronnie in 99 looks very much like Flex 93 only with more size and lats.

its the same old story:

dorian had the size and the back.

ronnie had the size, the back but the aesthetics to complement it all.

dorian never did. he was a fridge. the jay cutler of the 90's as Pumpster used to say LOL

Dorian had calves and more lats and more size ,  Dorian had better density & dryness and he had better balance & proportion , Dorian = more complete and a better poser 

[NarcissisticDeity]

283 lbs would make Ronnie 1999 look like a tiny-tit 

[Nirvana]

here's the problem

any comparison pictures we post don't count because they are "not to scale" and all the videos are "tampered with".

apparently the only picture that counts is a prime dorian vs. a young ronnie.

doesn't that seem strange?  is there an excuse for every visual?

[Hulkster]

here's the problem

any comparison pictures we post don't count because they are "not to scale" and all the videos are "tampered with".

its the central dogma of the nuthuggers.

the pics/vids show ronnie to be better so they need a way around this.

so they simply claim the comparisons are false and the vids are faked.

 

its really stupid.

[NarcissisticDeity]

here's the problem

any comparison pictures we post don't count because they are "not to scale" and all the videos are "tampered with".

apparently the only picture that counts is a prime dorian vs. a young ronnie.

doesn't that seem strange?  is there an excuse for every visual?

No the problem is any ' comparison ' pictures you post are created by a Ronnie fanboy who scales them heavily in his favor , when Ronnie has calves equal or bigger than Dorian there is a problem , when Dorian has a smaller waist & hips than Ronnie there is a problem , when Ronnie's clavicles suddenly make Dorian appear as narrow as Shawn Ray there is a problem

the picture of a young Ronnie counts why? we know it's them side-by-side in reality , we also know these facts , clavicle width can not be changed , nor can muscle length , or proportions or balance which all obviously happen when the fan-boy creations ' comparing ' Ronnie to Dorian. It's simple when you put some thought into it but you need those ' comparisons ' to be ' accurate '

and now you're reduced to lying like Hulkster , please show us where anyone claimed ' all the videos are tampered with ' I know you can't do it so I'll spare you the embarrassment of finding something no one claimed , we know for a fact ( there is that pesky word again ) a lot of screencaps Hulkster was using were tampered with , no one is claiming all so when you say that you're simply making things up or are willing to overlook facts like you obviously are in the ' comparisons '

Like Kevin Horton said , when Hulkster posted manipulated images to support your argument your credibility becomes severely compromised , but hey look at what Ronnie fans have done so far , knowingly posted enhanced screencaps , used multiple morphed pictures , made-up several quotes but hey they know for a fact that Ronnie is much better than Dorian ever was yet they are reduced to this  sounds like confidence to me 

[NarcissisticDeity]

its the central dogma of the nuthuggers.

the pics/vids show ronnie to be better so they need a way around this.

so they simply claim the comparisons are false and the vids are faked.

 

its really stupid.

The facts will always haunt you , the fact that you were busted by a professional graphic artist i still haunting you , the fact Kevin Horton one of the best contest photographers of all time busted you using enhanced pics , the fact that I busted you using morphed pictures , and making up quotes all of these facts are haunting to this day 

and there you go , lying again the ' comparisons ' aren't false , they're just not accurate they were made by an obvious Ronnie fan-boy who scaled them heavily in Ronnie's favor , who ever used the word false? and ' vids ' which ' vids ' ? the one from the same source you were busted trying to pass off as a ' new ' and ' independent ' source three times? 

You're your own worse enemy and stupidity makes you this way. There were plenty of very high quality scans from Ronnie 1999 Olympia yet you wouldn't post them because you were to stupid to realize your enhanced screencaps were just that , enhanced ! you liked them better and tried to pass them off as ' overwhelming visual evidence ' LMFAO when in fact there were the creation of a fan-boy who ran from you when he was busted and left you to handle the fall-out 

like Kevin Horton said the moment you pushed these screencaps as ' reality ' is the moment your credibility became severely compromised , now you're a joke reduced to defending Bizzy at all turns and claiming facts don't exist  and the worse part is no-one of any value cares about the 1999 Mr Olympia , it's not his best by a long shot only stupid people like you cling to it , people to dumb to come to reality and realize that they were wrong all along , but hey I know it's a tough pill for you to swallow it's hard letting go after you pushed all this junk for years and ended up completely and utterly wrong 

Hulkster you don't have to be stuck-on-stupid you choose to and as long as you keep contradicting facts I'll be here running your nose in your own shit. 

[Shockwave]

SERIOUSLY GET A LIFE

[JP_RC]

abs   triceps , proportions , symmetry overall physique harmony , abdominals , intercostals , serratus , lower lats striations ,  posing , he had plenty of advantages to claim he only had abs is ignorant and a gross overstatement

yes Dorian at 260lbs ( 1995 ) bone dry & rock hard will look noticeably bigger than Ronnie ( 1998 ) at 249lbs , Dorian at 269lbs ( 93 B&W ) would make him look even smaller , Dorian at 283lbs ( pre-contest 1995 ) I mean get serious , Ronnie at his best is around 247-249lbs max , Dorian at what many consider his best is almost 20lbs heavier ( 93 precontest ) if you don't think I can say with a degree of certainty that Dorian would make him look smaller knowing this you're being silly

I think everyone says Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning , I honestly don't see anyone of credibility claiming otherwise , in fact Dorian said he had better conditioning when asked if he could beat Ronnie , McGough didn't say a LOT of things what he did say is Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian , I think it's obvious who does and I like to be fair and say maybe Ronnie did but only at his lightest 98/01 , it's easy being light and hard much , much harder to replicate at heavier weights

Ronnie 98 his best conditioning , he goes up 7-8lbs in 99 and his conditioning suffers for it , gains another 7lbs from 99 to 00 and guess what his conditioning yet again suffers , see a pattern here? Dorian could get away with being heavier while maintaining this same conditioning , there is a vast difference between being 269lbs hard as nails and dry as the dessert than 249lbs , so lets say the conditioning is a push , Dorians still carrying more muscular bulk with equal conditioning so we're back to the other criteria

balance & proportion , posing & presentation , who's more complete? whose more complete? see where this is going? and symmetry is part if balance & proportion I thought I explained this? Ronnie meets part of this criteria better than Dorian , smaller waist , smaller hips , smaller joints , then factor in the other part of symmetry balance & proportion , Dorian , now seeing all rounds are physique rounds , we must now apply ALL of this criteria at once

Muscular Bulk - Dorian
Density - lets push
dryness - lets push
balance - Dorian
proportion - Dorian
' symmetry ' - Ronnie
posing - Dorian
presentation  - Dorian
gyno - Ronnie

take a guess who the criteria favors?

I don't think 1998 would be close at all , maybe 2001 would be maybe 03 , it's all speculation but what we do know if Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times  

Sorry xerxes, but I have to continue 

abs  triceps , proportions , symmetry overall physique harmony , abdominals , intercostals , serratus , lower lats striations ,  posing , he had plenty of advantages to claim he only had abs is ignorant and a gross overstatement

By abs I also meant intercostals. Triceps? Do you actually think Flex's slightly better triceps meant much? Ronnie had much better biceps than Dorian, I guess that means a lot too in a contest outcome..
Proportions? Please explain how.......Flex had the exact same problems Ronnie did in proportions: calves/upper legs and forearms/upper arms. Their physiques were pretty much alike in terms of proportions in 98.
Symmetry and overal harmony? Ronnie had the same exact physique characteristics as Flex in 98: small waist, tiny joints, great muscle bellies, etc. how does Flex have better symmetry? because of his abs?
Posing I give it to Flex.
Add this to how Ronnie was killing Flex in size and conditioning and its not all that close.

yes Dorian at 260lbs ( 1995 ) bone dry & rock hard will look noticeably bigger than Ronnie ( 1998 ) at 249lbs , Dorian at 269lbs ( 93 B&W ) would make him look even smaller , Dorian at 283lbs ( pre-contest 1995 ) I mean get serious , Ronnie at his best is around 247-249lbs max , Dorian at what many consider his best is almost 20lbs heavier ( 93 precontest ) if you don't think I can say with a degree of certainty that Dorian would make him look smaller knowing this you're being silly

I think everyone says Dorian kills Ronnie in conditioning , I honestly don't see anyone of credibility claiming otherwise , in fact Dorian said he had better conditioning when asked if he could beat Ronnie , McGough didn't say a LOT of things what he did say is Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian , I think it's obvious who does and I like to be fair and say maybe Ronnie did but only at his lightest 98/01 , it's easy being light and hard much , much harder to replicate at heavier weights

Ronnie 98 his best conditioning , he goes up 7-8lbs in 99 and his conditioning suffers for it , gains another 7lbs from 99 to 00 and guess what his conditioning yet again suffers , see a pattern here? Dorian could get away with being heavier while maintaining this same conditioning , there is a vast difference between being 269lbs hard as nails and dry as the dessert than 249lbs , so lets say the conditioning is a push , Dorians still carrying more muscular bulk with equal conditioning so we're back to the other criteria

balance & proportion , posing & presentation , who's more complete? whose more complete? see where this is going? and symmetry is part if balance & proportion I thought I explained this? Ronnie meets part of this criteria better than Dorian , smaller waist , smaller hips , smaller joints , then factor in the other part of symmetry balance & proportion , Dorian , now seeing all rounds are physique rounds , we must now apply ALL of this criteria at once

Muscular Bulk - Dorian
Density - lets push
dryness - lets push
balance - Dorian
proportion - Dorian
' symmetry ' - Ronnie
posing - Dorian
presentation  - Dorian
gyno - Ronnie

take a guess who the criteria favors?

I don't think 1998 would be close at all , maybe 2001 would be maybe 03 , it's all speculation but what we do know if Dorian beat Ronnie 8 times 

We can agree to disagree.

[Nirvana]

No the problem is any ' comparison ' pictures you post are created by a Ronnie fanboy who scales them heavily in his favor , when Ronnie has calves equal or bigger than Dorian there is a problem , when Dorian has a smaller waist & hips than Ronnie there is a problem , when Ronnie's clavicles suddenly make Dorian appear as narrow as Shawn Ray there is a problem

the picture of a young Ronnie counts why? we know it's them side-by-side in reality , we also know these facts , clavicle width can not be changed , nor can muscle length , or proportions or balance which all obviously happen when the fan-boy creations ' comparing ' Ronnie to Dorian. It's simple when you put some thought into it but you need those ' comparisons ' to be ' accurate '

and now you're reduced to lying like Hulkster , please show us where anyone claimed ' all the videos are tampered with ' I know you can't do it so I'll spare you the embarrassment of finding something no one claimed , we know for a fact ( there is that pesky word again ) a lot of screencaps Hulkster was using were tampered with , no one is claiming all so when you say that you're simply making things up or are willing to overlook facts like you obviously are in the ' comparisons '

Like Kevin Horton said , when Hulkster posted manipulated images to support your argument your credibility becomes severely compromised , but hey look at what Ronnie fans have done so far , knowingly posted enhanced screencaps , used multiple morphed pictures , made-up several quotes but hey they know for a fact that Ronnie is much better than Dorian ever was yet they are reduced to this  sounds like confidence to me 

even if you downscale those pics ronnie wil still be more impressive and look the same, he still is going to be better even if dorian is scaled bigger. it's not like he's zoomed to twice his size