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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #175 on: November 16, 2010, 03:53:12 PM »
I've posted countless pictures (the only real way on here). I would think they count more than Editors oppinions.  But according to ND all the pics don't count. Maybe if dorian was better, the pics would count.  Rescale the pics, ronnie will still be better.


what's your excuse for this pic. I bet it's "dorian is better in those pics"
No, the issue is, that when you look at those pics, you see Ronnie as being better, and you cant comprehend that other people look at the pics and see Dorian as being better. Thats your problem. You think your opinion is the only, right opinion. Doesnt surprise me, seeing as how young you are. That you think you know everything.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #176 on: November 16, 2010, 03:54:42 PM »
I don't type out 10 page essays for people explaining how I'm right and others are wrong. see NDs post above.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #177 on: November 16, 2010, 03:57:01 PM »
No, the issue is, that when you look at those pics, you see Ronnie as being better, and you cant comprehend that other people look at the pics and see Dorian as being better. Thats your problem. You think your opinion is the only, right opinion. Doesnt surprise me, seeing as how young you are. That you think you know everything.
I argue and everything but ND genuinly gets mad.  Does he do therapy for this shit?

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #178 on: November 16, 2010, 04:00:21 PM »
No, the issue is, that when you look at those pics, you see Ronnie as being better, and you cant comprehend that other people look at the pics and see Dorian as being better. Thats your problem. You think your opinion is the only, right opinion. Doesnt surprise me, seeing as how young you are. That you think you know everything.
age doesn't represent maturity either.  You won't find me attacking and insulting people over their different oppinions about ronnie vs dorian. you two can't say the same. 

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #179 on: November 16, 2010, 04:32:24 PM »
I've posted countless pictures (the only real way on here). I would think they count more than Editors oppinions.  But according to ND all the pics don't count. Maybe if dorian was better, the pics would count.  Rescale the pics, ronnie will still be better.


what's your excuse for this pic. I bet it's "dorian is better in those pics"

hahahahahaha yeah why on earth would we listen to anyone who was live and at the contests in question with years professional experience whose job is to evaluate contests , like I said clueless people like you and Hulkster who dismiss experts and rely on photoshopped pictures and inaccurate scaled pictures , especially when the pics are all from Ronnie ( 2003 NOT at his best ) and all different years of Dorian one of from his worse years ( 1994 ) 

I can always rely on fanboys for a good laugh  ;D  ;)


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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #180 on: November 16, 2010, 04:35:33 PM »
I argue and everything but ND genuinly gets mad.  Does he do therapy for this shit?

Mad? you're projecting I don't get mad , I correct people that's what I do  ;) you can't argue your ' proof ' is heavily slanted pictures that favor Ronnie and like Hulkster you can even get the basics right , 2003 is NOT his best



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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #181 on: November 16, 2010, 04:39:18 PM »
age doesn't represent maturity either.  You won't find me attacking and insulting people over their different oppinions about ronnie vs dorian. you two can't say the same. 


It's not differing opinion that warrants the insults its the lying , denial , and ignorance that does.

it's the enhanced sceencaps , the slanted comparisons and the made-up quotes .

You don't get to involved in these debates but when you try and pass off that nonsense as proof you're opening yourself up to ridicule

and if you're looking for ' maturity ' GetBig isn't the place for you sport.   

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #182 on: November 16, 2010, 04:52:38 PM »

It's not differing opinion that warrants the insults its the lying , denial , and ignorance that does.

it's the enhanced sceencaps , the slanted comparisons and the made-up quotes .

You don't get to involved in these debates but when you try and pass off that nonsense as proof you're opening yourself up to ridicule

and if you're looking for ' maturity ' GetBig isn't the place for you sport.   
why in god's name would I come to getbig for maturity, it has nothing to do with this thread it's just something shockwave brought up out of lack of argument after I posted better scaled photos.  BTW what do you think of them?  let's hear the excuse...Sport

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #183 on: November 16, 2010, 04:54:03 PM »
Mad? you're projecting I don't get mad , I correct people that's what I do  ;) you can't argue your ' proof ' is heavily slanted pictures that favor Ronnie and like Hulkster you can even get the basics right , 2003 is NOT his best


IMO 93 is not dorians best but that's just what the pictures have.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #184 on: November 16, 2010, 05:02:14 PM »
why in god's name would I come to getbig for maturity, it has nothing to do with this thread it's just something shockwave brought up out of lack of argument after I posted better scaled photos.  BTW what do you think of them?  let's hear the excuse...Sport

Better scaled  ::) maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point I already told you what I think of them.  ;)

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #185 on: November 16, 2010, 05:08:15 PM »
Better scaled  ::) maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point I already told you what I think of them.  ;)
why don't you find some pics of them both in their prime that are to scale.

there aren't any.  But again if dorian were better in those photos you wouldn't need excuses. you would be the one posting them

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #186 on: November 16, 2010, 05:09:55 PM »
IMO 93 is not dorians best but that's just what the pictures have.

Much to learn young padawan , the pictures aren't even all 1993 , we have 1994 Mr Olympia , 1995 Mr Olympia ,  1996 Mr Olympia obviously not all from his best like I said this is what happens when you have a Ronnie fanboy doing the creating

oh and a few more notes , 2003/2004 isn't Ronnie's best either overall these ' comparisons ' F-

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #187 on: November 16, 2010, 05:10:15 PM »
In that photo spread, I would basically give each pose to Dorian. Yates looks a lot more sculpted than does Ronnie, who in my opinion, looks like a blob. Compared to Dorian, Ronnie's rear lat-spread and rear-relaxed are not bad and his side-chest is solid but Dorian, to my eyes, simply out balances him.

It's amazing how far bodybuilding has changed when we have a situation where Dorian Yates is more proportionate and balanced than Ronnie Coleman...

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #188 on: November 16, 2010, 05:18:32 PM »
why don't you find some pics of them both in their prime that are to scale.

there aren't any.  But again if dorian were better in those photos you wouldn't need excuses. you would be the one posting them

I tried to scale pics before and failed it's just to hard , to hard to find the same angle , same lighting , same foot position , same distance , that's why I shy away from it

and pointing out the obviously flaws ( differing years i.e. NOT his best , different scales etc ) is NOT an excuse it's a fact and you see what you want in those pics ( no surprise ) I see Dorian with clearly superior density & dryness , clearly better balance & proportion , and being more complete , I think my OPINION is more thought out , objective and better researched than yours


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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #189 on: November 16, 2010, 05:39:26 PM »
if they are made from ronnie fanboys then why did they use dorians precontest photos against on 04 ronnie, seems kinda more in dorians favor.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #190 on: November 16, 2010, 05:40:20 PM »
I tried to scale pics before and failed it's just to hard , to hard to find the same angle , same lighting , same foot position , same distance , that's why I shy away from it

and pointing out the obviously flaws ( differing years i.e. NOT his best , different scales etc ) is NOT an excuse it's a fact and you see what you want in those pics ( no surprise ) I see Dorian with clearly superior density & dryness , clearly better balance & proportion , and being more complete , I think my OPINION is more thought out , objective and better researched than yours

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #191 on: November 16, 2010, 05:50:13 PM »
if they are made from ronnie fanboys then why did they use dorians precontest photos against on 04 ronnie, seems kinda more in dorians favor.

Obviously they're not according to seeing he wins maybe two poses

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the difference is I do  ;D well that's not true just more than you and Hulkster and just about everyone else on this boards

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #192 on: November 16, 2010, 05:53:17 PM »
we would all love each other if not for these threads.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #193 on: November 16, 2010, 05:58:12 PM »
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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #194 on: November 17, 2010, 07:20:28 AM »

It's hard to tell on pics and video alone because of the quality varies , the technology from when Dorian competed to when Ronnie did changed ( digital anyone? ) it's hard but no impossible , it's easy to to see Dorian 1995 was much better conditioned than Ronnie 2000 but I don't go by pics & videos alone I like to have evidence that all converges to reach the same conclusion

There you go again , he didn't say Ronnie was close , give me a break he didn't say a lot of things when asked if Ronnie 2001 was harder or drier than Dorian he said he NEVER was , that alone tells us he wasn't close it's definitive and you have to understand the pinnacle of great conditioning , plenty of guys are dry but don't carry much muscle , plenty of guys are hard but aren't full , the epitome is being dense , dry and full while carrying the most muscle it's next to impossible to tie these all together

it's much better to be 269lbs , granite hard ,  bone dry and full than 247lbs and the same ( and that's playing Devil's advocate ) maybe Ronnie was as hard and dry as Dorian in 2001 but he wasn't nearly carrying as much muscle in the process , you keep admitting Dorian has an advantage in density but you don't understand how much that's worth

Density - Muscle hardness, which is also related to muscu-lar definition. A bodybuilder can be well-defined and still have excess fat within each major muscle complex. But when he has muscle density, even this intramuscular fat has been eliminated. A combination of muscle mass and muscle density is highly prized among all competitive bodybuilders.

This sums up Dorian , his conditioning is legendary

Just as Haney set a new standard in bodybuilding with his unprecedented combination of size, shape and conditioning, the man who would inherit his mantle, Dorian Yates--slightly shorter, yet heavier than Haney--introduced a new level of density, coining the term "grainy." Yates' brief, high-intensity workouts fueled his reputation as one of history's hardest trainers.


How can I describe the man? Let me start with the fact that , when he won the Olympia lasy year , Dorian weighed a massive 244 RIPPED pounds. This year he was just as RIPPED and weighed 256 pounds! Off-season he had been no less than a phenomenal hard 295.

Shawn Perine Ironage  May 9 2009

Although I prefer the Reeves-Zane-Paris physique, I still contend that there was never a more complete, muscular human being to walk the earth than Dorian on the day Kevin Horton shot him pre-93 O. I was never so shocked by a set of bodybuilding photos as when I went through that article. Even Ronnie at his best, lacked Dorian's hardness and certainly his calves.


Quote from Greg Zulak, "MuscleMag", early 1997:

  "The most amazing characteristic, of Dorian, is not his size per se, but his muscularity: not only is his muscle-per-square-inch ratio the greatest ever, but his muscles seem like they were etched in stone, such is their hardness."



Quote from Steve Blechman, 1995:

  "Even though he doesn't represent my bodybuilding ideal, I think Dorian's overall development is mind-blogging. And when you consider that his frame carries his size so comfortably, and that he presents his mass with such incredible conditioning...I don't think that Dorian can be defeated by current professional judging standards. He'll be Mr.Olympia for as long as he wants to."



  Quote from Julian Schmidt, "FLEX" magazine, on the November issue, 1998:

  "Now that Dorian Yates, the thickest, densest and most annealed bodybuider in history has retired, Ronnie has taken the opportunity to become the new standard-bearer. Something unlikely to have happened, if Dorian still competed."


  Quote from John Balik, commenting on the 96 O:

  "Dorian Yates looked absolutely fantastic. He was so freaking dense and so freaking ripped and dry, that he actually looked bigger than all the 280 lbs competitors, even though he tipped the scales at 255 lbs."


At 2 p.m. on 11 September 1993 he walked out onstage at the Civic Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia. He weighed 257 lb. His skin looked as if it had been painted directly on to his muscle. He was stone hard and grainy. Every detail of every body part punched out into the first ten rows. No man had ever looked quite like Dorian Yates looked that day: he looked big. He looked bad He looked sick. There was  no Mr. Olympia contest. The judges saw no need to call him out for comparisons during the muscularity round.

' I knew then, ' he would say, ten years later, ' that I was either first or last. And I wasn't fucking last. '

Eventually Wayne Demilia asked him to step forward between Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler, just the audience could marvel at him some more. Samir Bannout looked at the three of them and said ' Dorian is first, second and third. '


Dorian Yates :


[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?


Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.


Taken out of FLEX nov 1999, page 90.  interview by jim schmaltz with ronnie before the 99 Olympia.

Jim:  What would have happened last year if Dorian Yates (recently retired winner of 6 straight Mr. Olympias) had competed?


Ronnie:  Dorian would have won again.


Jim: You think so?


Ronnie:  I know so.  Dorian has a big physique - hard- and he's been the man to beat, and its hard to knock the champion off the block.  He's a big guy and has a lot going for him.  


While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.

On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.


Has the quality of physique seen on the pro stage these days changed much compared to when you were competing as a professional?

Dorian Yates : I don't think the physiques have changed radically. I think a lot of people are trying to go the size route. My sole goal when getting ready for a contest was not building a lot of size, although when I was coming up pure muscle size was still very important. I was always really concerned about coming in very sharp conditioning wise.

I think that is lacking a little bit now, and it has occurred over the past few years. You go to a pro show now and you see a couple of guys who are in really good shape and the rest of the lineup is so-so, or not so good. Back when I was competing in the Olympia I think you saw a lot of guys who were in really good shape.

There was a greater emphasis on conditioning, but now you see guys going for size at the expense of conditioning. It seems strange me saying that, as I was known for my muscle size, but it was not my priority in getting ready for a contest. Obviously I carried a lot of muscle but my main thing was to come in super-ripped



First of all, Dorian would bring to the stage a package so massive and freakily conditioned that throughout his career as Mr. Olympia no one would come close to defeating him on size and hardness. His level of development set a new standard in bodybuilding excellence, one that is being favorably looked upon, and replicated by many in the sport, today.


 "These words should not be taken lightly, because no bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as the man who won six Sandows."


Flex Magazine October 2004 - Peter McGough’s commentary on the "voodoo" that has now reached ridiculous complexity when it comes to trying to "dry out" bodybuilders so they’re more ripped than any anatomy chart illustration on contest day. He quotes former Mr. Olympia Dorian Yates, who notes that despite the chemistry experiments with insulin and diuretics, "I don’t see the guys getting any harder."



Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.



" Chris Cormier standing next to Dorian onstage he sensed ' radiation coming off him , like an aura. ' The power of that muscle was tangible. It exerted a force all of its own.  Cormier thought ' I might as well forget about this guy and concentrate on being second. ' There was something else , too , strange. You had to witness him in the flesh. such granite hradness had a property that could nor be held on film or caught on paper. You had to see it live.



Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th

The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.




FROM MARKUS RUHL

October 2000, FLEX page 166

"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING.  HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE.  HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"



Like I said Dorian's conditioning is legendary and it's pretty clear who beats whom in this department


Man, a lot of reading here.... ;D

After reading all of this and reviewing some of Dorian's best pics, I can honestly admit Dorian had the best conditioning, but here is the thing:

1. Quotes are good and these here show how no one was better conditioned than Dorian, but I remember reading a quote posted here about Ronnie in 2001, it was posted as a question and it went something like "has anyone ever presented a physique as hard and dry as this?" Meaning Ronnie's conditioning in 2001 was also legendary. Now take that his conditioning in 98 was equally as good (although I think he was drier) then you have a Ronnie in 98 with legendary conditioning aswell.

2. The majority of your quotes were from how Dorian dominated with his conditioning in his competitive years. Its still hard to determine how that conditioning would've helped him vs a greatly conditioned Ronnie. Let's face it, none of Dorian's competitors achieved the conditioning Ronnie achieved in 98/2001.

3. Even though Dorian's conditioning is legendary and unmatched, how close could Ronnie's best conditioning be? Most of your quotes say Dorian was unmatched, but they don't say how close a prime Ronnie would be.






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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #195 on: November 17, 2010, 07:35:35 AM »
actually you made a lot of blanket statements without being specific and I doubt Ronnie would look just as big being 13lbs lighter , and if we're talking about Dorian at his best B&W pre-contest at 269lbs than that discrepancy would be much greater

I disagree in some shots from 93 Dorian looks thinner from the same in 95 where he looks fuller , he doesn't say Dorian did have a bloated gut he didn't say a lot of things you seem to try and read to much into what he didn't say. When he said he was even harder in 95 that means he was carrying more dense muscle and less fat so when you type his gut was bloated and most of the weight is there it's contradictory to reality

if hypothetically it were close these are the things that separate a winner from a loser.

inferior conditioning , see above.

no we didn't establish Ronnie could look at big as him at his best in fact at their respective bests Ronnie 2001 and Dorian at 269lbs it would be very apparent who had this advantage

symmetry is part of balance & proportion and if you're using it in the context of smaller waist & hips and joints , than Ronnie with all of the aspect not part of it , then we must factor in the rest

shape? certain muscles yes , certain muscles NO overall NO

overall muscularity goes to Ronnie? LMFAO is the end result of conditioning and guess who wins this? Ronnie has more detail in certain parts , Dorian in others

now remember how contests are judged ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS so we add up in every single pose , from every single angle , who is more complete , who is carrying more muscular bulk , who is drier , harder , better balanced , who has better symmetry , who poses better , who has a better stage presence ALL of this is assessed at ONCE , now Ronnie may meet part(s) of this better than Dorian but as a whole NOPE Dorian just has to many advantages

I'm only speculating on what he may have thought in response to your query, you're the one who started that trend  ;) please show me where he 94 and 95 weren't close? ( which is true BTW )  where are you getting this info?

Well you have your interpretation of what it means , you want it to be close and maybe it would be but either way Dorian would beat him  ;) like I said 1998 vs Dorian 1993 or 1995 would not be close at all

Ronnie 2001 vs Dorian 1993/1995 maybe very close Dorian just has to many pluses , Dorian at 269lbs vs Ronnie 2001 247lbs  ;D Ronnie would be left for dead


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actually you made a lot of blanket statements without being specific and I doubt Ronnie would look just as big being 13lbs lighter , and if we're talking about Dorian at his best B&W pre-contest at 269lbs than that discrepancy would be much greater

I disagree in some shots from 93 Dorian looks thinner from the same in 95 where he looks fuller , he doesn't say Dorian did have a bloated gut he didn't say a lot of things you seem to try and read to much into what he didn't say. When he said he was even harder in 95 that means he was carrying more dense muscle and less fat so when you type his gut was bloated and most of the weight is there it's contradictory to reality

Ok, he was a little bigger in 95, but most of it was in his torso anyway. Can you honestly say his arms, delts or legs were bigger? I think not.
Anothet thing, how balanced and proportionate was Dorian in 95 with his torso overpowering his arms?

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if hypothetically it were close these are the things that separate a winner from a loser.

inferior conditioning , see above.

no we didn't establish Ronnie could look at big as him at his best in fact at their respective bests Ronnie 2001 and Dorian at 269lbs it would be very apparent who had this advantage

symmetry is part of balance & proportion and if you're using it in the context of smaller waist & hips and joints , than Ronnie with all of the aspect not part of it , then we must factor in the rest

shape? certain muscles yes , certain muscles NO overall NO

overall muscularity goes to Ronnie? LMFAO is the end result of conditioning and guess who wins this? Ronnie has more detail in certain parts , Dorian in others

now remember how contests are judged ALL ROUNDS ARE PHYSIQUE ROUNDS so we add up in every single pose , from every single angle , who is more complete , who is carrying more muscular bulk , who is drier , harder , better balanced , who has better symmetry , who poses better , who has a better stage presence ALL of this is assessed at ONCE , now Ronnie may meet part(s) of this better than Dorian but as a whole NOPE Dorian just has to many advantages

I'm only speculating on what he may have thought in response to your query, you're the one who started that trend  ;) please show me where he 94 and 95 weren't close? ( which is true BTW )  where are you getting this info?

Well you have your interpretation of what it means , you want it to be close and maybe it would be but either way Dorian would beat him  ;) like I said 1998 vs Dorian 1993 or 1995 would not be close at all

Ronnie 2001 vs Dorian 1993/1995 maybe very close Dorian just has to many pluses , Dorian at 269lbs vs Ronnie 2001 247lbs  ;D Ronnie would be left for dead

Ok, Dorian has the advantage in conditioning also, but it wouldn't be a major advantage as with vs Nasser, Levrone, Ray, etc.

How much did Dorian 'weigh' in that 96 grand prix? Wasn't he almost as big as in 95? A little bigger than 93 maybe.
Ronnie still looked just as big as him, but softer obviously. Now factor in his 98 conditioning with the same size and Dorian's heavier scale weight wouldn't mean too much. There are so many examples of lighter guys beating heavier ones.

I think overall shape goes to Ronnie, much better taper, smaller joints, better muscle bellies overall, etc.

Muscularity - Even though Dorian was harder and better conditioned, Ronnie still displayed better muscularity or muscular definition. Let me explain, muscularity is the ability to show great muscle definition, separation, tie-ins, etc. correct?
Then Ronnie has the advantage in these areas, not in every single bodypart but overall yes.
Even though Dorian was harder, he never showed better overall separation than Ronnie, he never had Ronnie's outstanding tie-ins, he never had the same amount of overall muscle detail as Ronnie did. Call it genetics, but it is the truth.

Of course 94 & 95 weren't close at all, but I was trying to show how he bragged about it, how he is not someone who is careful of not coming off as arrogant.

Here is the thing you say 98 Ronnie vs 93/95 Dorian wouldn't be close and you say that in 2001 Ronnie vs the same versions of Dorian still its a sure Dorian victory. But here is the thing, Dorian who is an IFBB judge doesn't know who would win. He is the only judge's opinion we have on the subject, the rest of us and the "experts" can just speculate as you say.
Do you think your view or opinion on this has more weight than Dorian (IFBB judge) who says it would be a close contest?

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #196 on: November 17, 2010, 07:42:11 AM »
Man, a lot of reading here.... ;D

After reading all of this and reviewing some of Dorian's best pics, I can honestly admit Dorian had the best conditioning, but here is the thing:

1. Quotes are good and these here show how no one was better conditioned than Dorian, but I remember reading a quote posted here about Ronnie in 2001, it was posted as a question and it went something like "has anyone ever presented a physique as hard and dry as this?" Meaning Ronnie's conditioning in 2001 was also legendary. Now take that his conditioning in 98 was equally as good (although I think he was drier) then you have a Ronnie in 98 with legendary conditioning aswell.

2. The majority of your quotes were from how Dorian dominated with his conditioning in his competitive years. Its still hard to determine how that conditioning would've helped him vs a greatly conditioned Ronnie. Let's face it, none of Dorian's competitors achieved the conditioning Ronnie achieved in 98/2001.

3. Even though Dorian's conditioning is legendary and unmatched, how close could Ronnie's best conditioning be? Most of your quotes say Dorian was unmatched, but they don't say how close a prime Ronnie would be.







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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #197 on: November 17, 2010, 07:49:44 AM »
munzer, ray, there are plenty of guys

I forgot about munzer, but he was still lacking too many things to challange dorian.

Ray not even close to Ronnie's conditioning.

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #198 on: November 17, 2010, 08:05:59 AM »
I forgot about munzer, but he was still lacking too many things to challange dorian.

Ray not even close to Ronnie's conditioning.
I like you sully, thats why im going to kill you last.
Hahah.
Seriously tho, I like 99% of what you post, its a shame that you have to think Ronnie would win, and I have to think Dorian would win, otherwise we might be great posting friends. (No homo)

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Re: Ronnie Coleman looked sick in Finland 98'
« Reply #199 on: November 17, 2010, 08:14:43 AM »
I like you sally, thats why im going to kill you last.
Hahah.
Seriously tho, I like 99% of what you post, its a shame that you have to think Ronnie would win, and I have to think Dorian would win, otherwise we might be great posting friends. (No homo)


lol..... is it not sully?

"what did you do with sully?"