Alistair Overeem claims he d have KOed a peak Tyson in 5!!in BOXING!!!

[Jaime]

 Dude, any MMA fighter at the UFC and PRIDE level would utterly demolish Tyson without even breaking a sweat. He is a one-dimensional boxer. He is not even a striker, but a hand striker. Not only does he have no ground game, he doesen't even have stand-up besides his fists. Even against pure strikers like the guys who fight in K-1, Tyson would be at a huge disadvantage because those guys use their legs and knees, and the legs have a greater reach and more power than the arms. Tyson would be knocked out by leg kicks or kneed to a coma. I doo give Tyson a fighting chance, because he was very fast and powerful with his fists, but against a  top MMA fighter he would probably lose because they would take him to the ground and submit him.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You would have to be supreme at Muay Thai to stop someone with his footwork and speed getting inside. k-1 is a limited format. Mike would have to drill leg kicks for a few months, understand the scoring. k-1 talent pool is tiny.

Bottom line is Mike never trained Wrestling or Muay thai.

Overeem trains boxing and he wouldn't do anything in boxing.

[suckmymuscle]

You would have to be supreme at Muay Thai to stop someone with his footwork and speed getting inside. k-1 is a limited format. Mike would have to drill leg kicks for a few months, understand the scoring. k-1 talent pool is tiny.

Bottom line is Mike never trained Wrestling or Muay thai.

Overeem trains boxing and he wouldn't do anything in boxing.

  You are completely delusional if you think that Tyson would stand more than a puncher's chance against a top MMA fighter. He would be taken to the ground and either submitted or ground-and-pounded. If we are talking about Tyson against top K-1 strikers, his chances are better but he would most likely be kneed to a coma. Stop being such a...Tyson fanboy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

 You are completely delusional if you think that Tyson would stand more than a puncher's chance against a top MMA fighter. He would be taken to the ground and either submitted or ground-and-pounded. If we are talking about Tyson against top K-1 strikers, his chances are better but he would most likely be kneed to a coma. Stop being such a...Tyson fanboy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I agree , Tyson could get lucky with a punch but he would be dismantled in minutes by an expert , it's why the Gracie's wanted him they knew if it went to the ground he would be choked out or tapped

[suckmymuscle]

I agree , Tyson could get lucky with a punch but he would be dismantled in minutes by an expert , it's why the Gracie's wanted him they knew if it went to the ground he would be choked out or tapped

  Yeah, it's a pretty straight forward conclusion that Tyson wouldn't stand a chance against a top wrestler or grappler, especially since his takedown defenses are probably nil. And against top strikers, people think Tyson would win because his fists are so fast and powerful, but what they don't understand is that in MMA clinching is legal. A top striker would clinch with Tyson and knee him to a coma. The guy has almost no chance.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

  Yeah, it's a pretty straight forward conclusion that Tyson wouldn't stand a chance against a top wrestler or grappler, especially since his takedown defenses are probably nil. And against top strikers, people think Tyson would win because his fists are so fast and powerful, but what they don't underastand is that in MMA clinching is legal. A top striker would clinch with Tyson and knee him to a coma. The guy has almost no chance.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

It would be hopelessly overmatched , ironically like most of Tysons matches there is a very good reason a 176lbs Royce wanted to fight Mike Tyson 

[LurkyLurker]

Everyone puts Ali and even Foreman on pedestals, but both of them had their share of bad fights and losses, something Tyson never had until he was hammered by Cus' death, Don King's influence and Robin Givens' heathen ways.

Ali got pounded by Frazier (who wasn't nearly the puncher Tyson was) in all three of their fights and didn't deserve the Norton victory- a fight in which he got his jaw broken. Jerry Quarry was doing great against Ali until a cut opened up over his eye - a common problem for Quarry. Ali also had trouble with Ron Lyle and Earnie Shavers. Ali's biggest asset was his speed, but then he never faced an opponent nearly as fast as Tyson until he hooked up with a young Larry Holmes.

Foreman got hammered by Ron Lyle and Ali and lost to the overrated Jimmy Young to end his "first" career.

All this is to say that it's impossible to say with any assurance that Ali or Foreman would have killed Tyson. I don't think either faced anything like Mike in their careers. Would have been interesting though.

[spinnis]

Typical arrogant dutchman.

That being said he should switch over to the sweet science and start making real money.

Klitschko's get payed more for one fight than Alistair in 5 years time.

you fucking dummy haha

[johnny1]

Ok. The Green, Smith's, and Tucker's of this world survived Mike in his prime. Someone with Ali's style, footwork and chin would be poison for Mike.

Foreman would physically push him back like Holyfield did and unload uppercuts and bombs at will, swarmers couldn't beat foreman.

Cus D'Amato said this himself, you know, Mike's trainer...

Prime Ali is faster than Mike, he isn't as explosive and doesn't carry his power but he is faster.

I'm a huge Tyson fan but he had weaknesses in his style like anybody else. Styles make fights. Knocking over cans is a touch different to dominating ATG's.

Very Good post, however 1 point you made im not as certain with, you have to remember Tyson had alot more tools than Frazier and Norton, both were Excellent Fighters @ their Peaks and both IMO had STRONGER MENTALITY'S than Tyson, however both of them (with the possible exception of Frazier's LEFT hook) did not have Tyson's Lightning fast FOOT-SPEED, Head-movement, Devastating Body-shots, Fast powerful right hand, uppercuts with ethier hand, hooks with BOTH hands....and the 1 thing he had over all the Top Fighters of Foreman's generation....De-fence...for every punch Foreman would of thrown....and missed... he would of received 2 back lighting fast and VERY HARD, yes he would of pushed Tyson...bullied him...however Foreman's DE-FENCE IMO would of left himself way to open and that would of Spelled BAD NEWS for him against a young hungry Tyson IMO....

 Beaten Tyson in his PRIME??... id say the ONLY guy ive seen so far would of been LARRY HOLMES not Ali.....Larry in his Late 20s...Had the Speed, size, DE-FENCE, Fast long hard right hand, Powerful fast Jab, HEAD-MOVEMENT, CHIN, Ring craft and smarts and the main thing needed against Tyson @ his peak...THE Mentality to keep it together under pressure...Ali IMO would of gotten CAUGHT alot sooner than Frazier caught him in the 15th rd in there first fight as Tyson's Foot-speed and Hand-speed would of seen to that, and Yes Holyfeild "exposed Tyson" in the Head Smarts department in 1996-97 however Tyson was nearly a Decade past his absolute best,  just my opinion but Larry Holmes in his Prime would be a real tough, frustrating, demoralizing fight for a 20-22 year old Tyson.

[MoralMan]

This IS on eastsideboxing s lounge but the guy who posted it on there also offers no source.  Tysons finished IMO the HW boxer out there now who could do some damage in MMA is David Haye, the guy trains MMA anyway and is so fast and hits so dam hard i think hed connect and KO Overeem before he knew what was coming.

[MoralMan]

Ive seen an interview with Randy C where he says he would nt want to figth peak Tyson as it would be scary, great vid there no one btw

[Darren Avey]

Ok "pellius", ok "suckmymuscle" ok "jamie"

[spinnis]

1-2 kicks on the legs from Alister and tyson and every other boxer would be on the ground semi crying without managing to throw even one punch

[The Showstoppa]

1-2 kicks on the legs from Alister and tyson and every other boxer would be on the ground semi crying without managing to throw even one punch

But if Mike bullrushed, like he would, and got inside the kicks......it's at least a 50/50 chance he would land an uppercut.  A grappler would give him many more problems, but they would have to be able to take one of his punches and I don't think many could.  think about it, every MMA fight both guys take some shots to the grill.....difference is they have NEVER been hit like he could hit in his prime....not even close.

[spinnis]

But if Mike bullrushed, like he would, and got inside the kicks......it's at least a 50/50 chance he would land an uppercut.  A grappler would give him many more problems, but they would have to be able to take one of his punches and I don't think many could.  think about it, every MMA fight both guys take some shots to the grill.....difference is they have NEVER been hit like he could hit in his prime....not even close.

alister would probably thai clinch and throw him around when he rushes him and then BAAAM legkick.. =) if alister didnt wanna take him down  that is.. he hasn't been thrown around in a thai clinch either.. I give tyson less then 5% (lucky punch ) of beating alister in a standup and less then 1% in a mma. If alister kept in mind that tyson would rush, just one step to the side and legkick and tyson would be DOWN and IF he actually got up, he wouldn't be able to rush again and then next kick he wouldnt be able to stand up from.

Pointless discussion either way lol

Tyson would beat him in a boxing match alister would beat him in eveyrthing else

[The Showstoppa]

alister would probably thai clinch and throw him around when he rushes him and then BAAAM legkick.. =) if alister didnt wanna take him down  that is.. he hasn't been thrown around in a thai clinch either.. I give tyson less then 5% (lucky punch ) of beating alister in a standup and less then 1% in a mma. If alister kept in mind that tyson would rush, just one step to the side and legkick and tyson would be DOWN and IF he actually got up, he wouldn't be able to rush again and then next kick he wouldnt be able to stand up from.

Pointless discussion either way lol

Tyson would beat him in a boxing match alister would beat him in eveyrthing else

lol.....aren't they all?


I just think that Tyson has a much better than 1-5% chance against this guy.  Like I said, MMA guys ALWAYS get caught in the grill by far less polished punchers than Mike....and if he caught them, it would be over......

[spinnis]

lol.....aren't they all?


I just think that Tyson has a much better than 1-5% chance against this guy.  Like I said, MMA guys ALWAYS get caught in the grill by far less polished punchers than Mike....and if he caught them, it would be over......

Couture always got caught?   and alister striking isnt at tysons level ofc but hes no slouch so just because tyson comes close doesn't mean its over either (probably but not For sure) look at the vid I posted, It would look like that but would be over faster.

And If a mma guy Only goes for a TD on a boxer he wouldnt get caought, it would look like the TD on couture =)

and thats toney 9 months after only training for TD defence lol.

[The Showstoppa]

Couture always got caught?   and alister striking isnt at tysons level ofc but hes no slouch so just because tyson comes close doesn't mean its over either (probably but not For sure) look at the vid I posted, It would look like that but would be over faster.

And If a mma guy Only goes for a TD on a boxer he wouldnt get caought, it would look like the TD on couture =)

by using Couture as your ONLY example, it helps make my point....and even he almost always took a shot during a fight.....I just think that if that happens with the type of power Mike has, it's over.  The question is only if Mike could avoid getting into a ground and pound situation long enough to throw that punch.....  I have no doubt that Mike could take a couple of solid shots from Overreem, but not so sure about the reverse...

[spinnis]

by using Couture as your ONLY example, it helps make my point....and even he almost always took a shot during a fight.....I just think that if that happens with the type of power Mike has, it's over.  The question is only if Mike could avoid getting into a ground and pound situation long enough to throw that punch.....  I have no doubt that Mike could take a couple of solid shots from Overreem, but not so sure about the reverse...

I could use a million examples if a million boxers had a chance to fight in the ufc..

almost?!?! look at the gif how did he almost take a shot? lol


and No mike Couldn't avoid it.. There is no point in even discussiong it... he couldnt... he would have to train fro it about 5-6 years to even have a Slight chance of defending it, and to Defend it you cannot rhow a uppercut you have to hook the arms...

anyway Im done, I dont bother with this anymore,   pointless, feel free to believe anything you want, the proof is above this post, Unless a mma guy decides to stand and boz (ala retarded tim sylvia) and even kimbo beat mercer after lol.  the boxer has No chance. thats it =)

[The Showstoppa]

I could use a million examples if a million boxers had a chance to fight in the ufc..

almost?!?! look at the gif how did he almost take a shot? lol


and No mike Couldn't avoid it.. There is no point in even discussiong it... he couldnt... he would have to train fro it about 5-6 years to even have a Slight chance of defending it, and to Defend it you cannot rhow a uppercut you have to hook the arms...

anyway Im done, I dont bother with this anymore,  pointless

I said "almost always" big difference.  And the guy throwing wasn't Tyson either...

Oh, I know he couldn't avoid if for a whole fight or even a round.....but my point is, he probably wouldn't have to as after the first connection, Alister would be in no shape to do shit.

[spinnis]

I said "almost always" big difference.  And the guy throwing wasn't Tyson either...

Oh, I know he couldn't avoid if for a whole fight or even a round.....but my point is, he probably wouldn't have to as after the first connection, Alister would be in no shape to do shit.

as I said feel free to believe anything you want  (he couldnt avoid it for 10 sec or  however long it took until alister Decided to go for it 5sec-10sec-15)

[The Showstoppa]

as I said feel free to believe anything you want  (he couldnt avoid it for 10 sec or  however long it took until alister Decided to go for it 5sec-10sec-15)

So, do you think Tyson could beat ANY mma fighter? 

[spinnis]

So, do you think Tyson could beat ANY mma fighter?  

Depends on what he mma figher is good at.. And at what level..

Any ufc fighter? no  Every ufc fighter has good enough TD's to suprise a boxer/tyson or good enough kickboxing to stay on the outside and blast him with legkicks.. or they could just lay on their back straigh away and make tyson jump into guard lol. or pretend to be hurt ala werdum  

there is always the lucky punch ofc... but besides that? no

[K-1]

Forget peak....the 3 year released from prison version of tyson would maul overeem.

[The Showstoppa]

Depends on what he mma figher is good at.. And at what level..

Any ufc fighter? no  Every ufc fighter has good enough TD's to suprise a boxer/tyson or good enough kickboxing to stay on the outside and blast him with legkicks.. or they could just lay on their back straigh away and make tyson jump into guard lol. or pretend to be hurt ala werdum  

there is always the lucky punch ofc... but besides that? no

NO UFC fighter?  LOL.......give me a break......so he has no chance against any of them?  Oh brother.....  and wouldn't they make the guy get-up from the ground if Tyson didn't initiate anything?

[spinnis]

NO UFC fighter?  LOL.......give me a break......so he has no chance against any of them?  Oh brother.....  and wouldn't they make the guy get-up from the ground if Tyson didn't initiate anything?

He only has a punchers chance again any ufc fighter yes. If they didnt go for the TD they would have good enough standup to stay on the outside and ruin his legs.. =)

listen. Im not claiming UFC fighters would come into boxing and kick everyones ass becuse it would be ludacris. Boxing fans doesn't seem the understand the other way around is Just as ludacris