Alistair Overeem claims he d have KOed a peak Tyson in 5!!in BOXING!!!

[spinnis]

some people make themselves into legends.  tyson is one of them.  while he's immortalized forever, these fly by night assholes who claim they can kick his ass will come and go.

"i'll fuck you til you love me, f.aggot" is what mike tyson would say to anyone who got in his face, even today.

is he close to crying?  

getbig would have been usefull to tyson. Would have built his mental strenght 

[Jaime]

didnt know boxers learnt that haha

I would assume that if he is making a run at the k-1 championship he would learn.

lol at you thinking anyone in ufc has good enough Muay thai to keep Tyson at range.

There is not one single half decent Muay Thai fighter in UFC at heavyweight.

Kicks are a bad idea against someone with great footwork and handspeed, you open yourself up for the counter, especially against a swarmer.

[spinnis]

I would assume that if he is making a run at the k-1 championship he would learn.

lol at you thinking anyone in ufc has good enough Muay thai to keep Tyson at range.

There is not one single half decent Muay Thai fighter in UFC at heavyweight.

Kicks are a bad idea against someone with great footwork and handspeed, you open yourself up for the counter, especially against a swarmer.

So it went from tyson facing alister to tyson training for k-1 for years haha.

Both in their prime. tyson wouldnt stand a chance in hell =)


and now all of a sudden tyson has great footwork for k1? haha my god hes a fast learner  

[spinnis]

I give darren his props though, a 5 page troll thread is a good one lol.

[Jaime]

So it went from tyson facing alister to tyson training for k-1 for years haha.

Both in their prime. tyson wouldnt stand a chance in hell =)


and now all of a sudden tyson has great footwork for k1? haha my god hes a fast learner  

Years? Try a few months.

Tyson rapes any version of Overeem under any striking rules. He can't deal with pressure and has a glass jaw.

Yeah he is a fast learner, youngest heavyweight champ in history.

Even that hillbilly crying coward Brock could learn to check leg kicks in a few months.

[spinnis]

Years? Try a few months.

Tyson rapes any version of Overeem under any striking rules. He can't deal with pressure and has a glass jaw.

Yeah he is a fast learner, youngest heavyweight champ in history.

Even that hillbilly crying coward Brock could learn to check leg kicks in a few months.

haha. Okay, Im not gonna bother then because you know    

Im probably gonna start a  thread later on how brock would win the HW belt  in boxingj after a few months of training haha. Just to show how stupid you guys look lol.

[pellius]

So you are comparing the best UFC fighter at the time vs a complete nobody boxer vs Tyson vs ANY UFC fighter?  C'mon.......

I can tell you based on personal experience and eye witness account that Royce was by far NOT the best Gracie let alone the best fighter representing Jiu-Jitsu at the time. As far as the brothers that were living and teaching in Cali at the time, as well as their cousins the Machados, Royce would have been ranked dead last. He was chosen by Rorion by default. Royler, who was better than Royce, was considered too small (about 135 lbs) and his English was practically non existent at the time. Royce, was Rorion's right hand man at the time as he brought him out to America when he was just 18 to help with teaching and was more like a son to Rorion than a brother due to the huge difference in age. Rickson, easily the family champion who would literally toy with Royce, would not have been so easily controlled by Rorion.

When Rorion asked his cousins, the Machado's, specifically Rigan and Jean-Jacques, to help Royce train for his fight with Kerr, and this was when Royce was already a season fighter and considered one of the best in the world, both Rigan and Jean-Jacques, who I was training with at time, mentioned how surprised they were at the low level of Royce's Jiu-Jitsu. When I asked if he wasn't a Gracie but just one of the members of their academy how would they rank him. Rigan said he would consider him a high level purple belt. So, that boxer is at a far more higher level in his discipline than Royce was in his. That boxer was rated in the top ten and I doubt Royce would have even placed as a Black Belt in a major tournament considering how easily he got choked unconscious by Wallid Ismael when Royce was already a famous UFC champ.

That guy you see being introduced at .29 sec is Carlson Gracie, son of the founder of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Carlos Gracie. Carlos was also the older brother of Helio, Rorion's father. Wallid is from Carlson's school. A bit, if not a lot, of bad blood between those two camps. Carlson comes from that generation of Vale Tudo fighters where there were no rules, no time limits and no weight classes. Compared to how they competed in those days makes today's UFC seem like child's play. Carlson was also was the one who avenged Helio's lost (Helio was 43 at the time) to his former student, Valdemar Santana, after going at it for around 3 hours and 45 minutes straight! When they say no time limits in Vale Tudo they mean it!

Royce vs. Wallid
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27qoe_rare-royce-gracie-vs-wallid-ismail_sport  

[che]

haha. Okay, Im not gonna bother then because you know    

Im probably gonna start a  thread later on how brock would win the HW belt  in boxingj after a few months of training haha. Just to show how stupid you guys look lol.

Brock Lesnar won the UFC HW title after a few month of training .

[spinnis]

That guy you see being introduced at .29 sec is Carlson Gracie, son of the founder of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu, Carlos Gracie. Carlos was also the older brother of Helio, Rorion's father. Wallid is from Carlson's school. A bit, if not a lot, of bad blood between those two camps. Carlson comes from that generation of Vale Tudo fighters where there were no rules, no time limits and no weight classes. Compared to how they competed in those days makes today's UFC seem like child's play. Carlson was also was the one who avenged Helio's lost (Helio was 43 at the time) to his former student, Valdemar Santana, after going at it for around 3 hours and 45 minutes straight! When they say no time limits in Vale Tudo they mean it!

Royce vs. Wallid
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27qoe_rare-royce-gracie-vs-wallid-ismail_sport  

also seems to be the problem why some dudes cant get their BJJ to work good in mma. they're used to Waiting for misstakes for too long. And with 5 min rounds thats hard. (correct me if im wrong) and besides the obvious basing your tencique and sweeps etc on a guy with a GI on.

[spinnis]

Brock Lesnar won the UFC HW title after a few month of training .

after a "lifetime" of training the best background there is to have in mma...

Im sure tyson could stop brock's tds after a few months of training right? haha.

[Jaime]

haha. Okay, Im not gonna bother then because you know    

Im probably gonna start a  thread later on how brock would win the HW belt  in boxingj after a few months of training haha. Just to show how stupid you guys look lol.

Boxing Tyson, less than a round

K-1, no clinch, no knees, leg kicks allowed. Tyson, less than a round.

Full Muay Thai, which Overeem has never fought under. Both train 3 months, Tyson under a round.

Brock has zero striking ability, Tyson is one of the best boxers of all time. Overeem is a guy that has been knocked the fuck out about 15 times. He doesn't have the speed or chin to survive a fast, big puncher. Especially a pressure fighter.

End of.

[spinnis]

Boxing Tyson, less than a round

K-1, no clinch, no knees, leg kicks allowed. Tyson, less than a round.

Full Muay Thai, which Overeem has never fought under. Both train 3 months, Tyson under a round.

well you got one of three at least. Not too bad!

[Jaime]

after a "lifetime" of training the best background there is to have in mma...

Im sure tyson could stop brock's tds after a few months of training right? haha.

Depends on how good he is at wrestling. Learning rate is dictated by natural proficiency. Tyson was never a good clincher though, so i doubt he would be a great wrestler.

Brocks takedowns are a ufc marketing gimmick in any event. Slow and telegraphed. Couture, Carwin, Cain all instantly got up or stopped the takedown.

GSP's takedowns make Brock look like an amateur.

[spinnis]

Depends on how good he is at wrestling. Learning rate is dictated by natural proficiency. Tyson was never a good clincher though, so i doubt he would be a great wrestler.

Brocks takedowns are a ufc marketing gimmick in any event. Slow and telegraphed. Couture, Carwin, Cain all instantly got up or stopped the takedown.

GSP's takedowns make Brock look like an amateur.

no one in the World could stop brocks td's after 3 months of training. you are one retarded ####. and I know he doesnt even have the best ones..

And Cain proves what exactly? you know cains background yes?

Brock would out jab tyson!!!!!!!

There is littarly too much stupidity in your posts I dont know where to start. So Im not gonna bother. Go ahead and believe whatever you want lol 

[che]

after a "lifetime" of training the best background there is to have in mma...

I see ,haha

[spinnis]

I see ,haha

Tyson has as good td defence as cain? haha. Just that td, even though he slipped would take down Any boxer in the world With ease..

[che]

Tyson has as good td defence as cain? haha. Just that td, even though he slipped would take down Any boxer in the world With ease..

There is not TD defense in that GIF,Haha

[spinnis]

There is not TD defense in that GIF,Haha

cains keeps left arm on lesnar chest after the punch and circles and the circle is what caused lesnar to slip a boxer would circle.. =)

[che]

cains keeps left arm on lesnar chest after the punch and circles =)

Hahaa,OK

[Jaime]

no one in the World could stop brocks td's after 3 months of training. you are one retarded ####. and I know he doesnt even have the best ones..

And Cain proves what exactly? you know cains background yes?

Brock would out jab tyson!!!!!!!

There is littarly too much stupidity in your posts I dont know where to start. So Im not gonna bother. Go ahead and believe whatever you want lol 

I would bet a million pounds that Karelin would stop a takedown from Lesnar in mma after 6 months.

You think that Overeem who has been knocked the fuck out about 15 times against c level strikers would beat Tyson in a striking match.

You are one dumb fucking lilliputian.

The best wrestlers in highschool don't lose for years before they become good, it's called natural aptitude.

There are thousands of very athletic people in this world with a natural aptitude for wrestling. Mix that in with a guy who is slow as fuck, telegraphs his takedowns a mile off and is completely hesitant due to the fear of getting punched in the face and you have a lot of scope.

[pellius]

also seems to be the problem why some dudes cant get their BJJ to work good in mma. they're used to Waiting for misstakes for too long. And with 5 min rounds thats hard. (correct me if im wrong) and besides the obvious basing your tencique and sweeps etc on a guy with a GI on.

No time limits, which Rorion insisted upon and one of the reason why he sold off the UFC (I wonder how ofter he kicks himself in the balls for that), was considered necessary if you had no weight classes. When your opponent is a lot bigger and stronger than you, you are not going to take him out in a few minutes. You had to "cook him" (which was the term often used). Rorion seem to not want to accept that UFC had to be a "sport" to survive. TV, Pay per View, and whatever, are not going sacrifice valuable broad casting time watching two guys laying on top of each other. Neither are the audience as witness by the laborious display of Royce and Shamrock in their last fight.

Tournament Jiu-Jitsu is indeed a lot like a chess game. Despite what most people see, it can get very technical and there is a lot of dead time. You have to hope and wait that your opponent makes a mistake that you can capitalize on. Things change exponentially when you take off the gi and allow punches and kicks. Though I believe Jiu-Jitsu submission techniques are vastly superior to any other submission art, in my opinion wrestlers have more of a MMA mindset and way better conditioning. There's very little dead time in wrestling as you don't have a gi to hold on to and they instinctively know how to position their body weight and fight for the top position. In BJJ, most of the advance techniques stem from the guard position but 85% of that is useless when you are not wearing a gi and your opponent is dropping bombs on you. Even Rickson use to say that in a fight you don't want to be on your back no matter how good your "guard" is.

That being said, if you don't know BJJ and how to defend it you have no chance in MMA. You can be sure that Liddell and Shogun, great stand up fighters, trained a lot on the ground. But the days of BJJ dominance is long past.  
  

[Jaime]

Tyson has as good td defence as cain? haha. Just that td, even though he slipped would take down Any boxer in the world With ease..

That isn't a takedown, that is someone falling about like a drunk.

[spinnis]

That being said, if you don't know BJJ and how to defend it you have no chance in MMA. You can be sure that Liddell and Shogun, great stand up fighters, trained a lot on the ground. But the days of BJJ dominance is long past.  
  

Ofc, lidell is a purple I think

this was beautiful

people were like ..what? 

[che]

No time limits, which Rorion insisted upon and one of the reason why he sold off the UFC (I wonder how ofter he kicks himself in the balls for that), was considered necessary if you had no weight classes. When your opponent is a lot bigger and stronger than you, you are not going to take him out in a few minutes. You had to "cook him" (which was the term often used). Rorion seem to not want to accept that UFC had to be a "sport" to survive. TV, Pay per View, and whatever, are not going sacrifice valuable broad casting time watching two guys laying on top of each other. Neither are the audience as witness by the laborious display of Royce and Shamrock in their last fight.

Tournament Jiu-Jitsu is indeed a lot like a chess game. Despite what most people see, it can get very technical and there is a lot of dead time. You have to hope and wait that your opponent makes a mistake that you can capitalize on. Things change exponentially when you take off the gi and allow punches and kicks. Though I believe Jiu-Jitsu submission techniques are vastly superior to any other submission art, in my opinion wrestlers have more of a MMA mindset and way better conditioning. There's very little dead time in wrestling as you don't have a gi to hold on to and they instinctively know how to position their body weight and fight for the top position. In BJJ, most of the advance techniques stem from the guard position but 85% of that is useless when you are not wearing a gi and your opponent is dropping bombs on you. Even Rickson use to say that in a fight you don't want to be on your back no matter how good your "guard" is.

That being said, if you don't know BJJ and how to defend it you have no chance in MMA. You can be sure that Liddell and Shogun, great stand up fighters, trained a lot on the ground. But the days of BJJ dominance is long past.  
  

Pellius,do you compete in BJJ or submission grappling tournaments ?

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