Author Topic: 1st Terrorist in civilian court in NYC cleared of MURDER charges. WE TOLD YOU!  (Read 15322 times)

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Utterly clueless nonsense.  

It is logically nuts to convict a guy of conspiracy and not the resultant crimes.  This is Criminal Law 101.  I can't believe how stupid you people are.  

This is like cheering on a victory of the govt for getting Al Capone on a single tax charge while losing the case on murder, ambling, prostitution, etcetc.  

 

yea yea ,wait he's a federal judge and your posting on getbig    braaaaaaaaaaaa ooookkkk  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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20 to life... I wouldn't exactly call that a 'victory'.


 ::)  ::)   Look at the precedent set by the judge is declaring the evidence inadmissable fool!  


What the hell is wrong with you 240?  Seriously - lately you have become really warped.    Soldiers on the battle field are not doing their jobs with civilian trial evidence rules in mind.   Do you want them to mirandize terrorists on the battlefield 240?    

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yea yea ,wait he's a federal judge and your posting on getbig    braaaaaaaaaaaa ooookkkk  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Idiot - it was the jury for made the find of guilt and innonence not the judge fool. 

The judge disallowed the main evidence that would have gotten the murder conviction. 




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 Do you want them to mirandize terrorists on the battlefield 240?    

No.  I want them to cap them.  Or ship em to egypt for interrogation, then sink their boat on the way back.

I sure don't want them to sit in limbo for 8 years because the repub president doesn't know how to deal with them - then handed off to a softie lib to get a life sentence.

It's akin to breaking a dish and leaving it on the floor, then yelling at my puppy for cutting himself on the shards of glass.  it's on ME for being a dumbass and not handling a mans' business, and letting the softie deal with what I was too lazy/busy to handle.

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I see.  Size of the poster is a limitation for him being the guy behind the biggest crime of the century.  Gotcha.  Way bigger than USS Cole, but he's wanted for that?

Ummm

Haha, you're so fucking dense that it's hilarious. Let me help you out. See how it mentions the 1998 bombings on his wanted attack. Notice how those happened in 1998? 1998 < 2001. Most of the guy's on that list are listed as being wanted for their earliest attacks first, since you know, that's what got them on that list. Everything else will be added on and wouldn't change the fact they're wanted terrorists.

Here's something else that proves you're a moron. The second to last sentence on his wanted profile states:

"Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world."

He's wanted for countless terrorist attacks, dipshit. Not just 9/11 or the USS Cole.  ::)

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No.  I want them to cap them.  Or ship em to egypt for interrogation, then sink their boat on the way back.

I sure don't want them to sit in limbo for 8 years because the repub president doesn't know how to deal with them - then handed off to a softie lib to get a life sentence.

It's akin to breaking a dish and leaving it on the floor, then yelling at my puppy for cutting himself on the shards of glass.  it's on ME for being a dumbass and not handling a mans' business, and letting the softie deal with what I was too lazy/busy to handle.


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and if they do that - the soldiers get court martialed. 

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and if they do that - the soldiers get court martialed. 


O RLY?  Where was the Pat Tillman court martial?

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O RLY?  Where was the Pat Tillman court martial?

 ::)

Keep it up - you areheading into Blacken and mons territory lately.   

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Keep it up - you areheading into Blacken and mons territory lately.   

i guess thats better than being a liar

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i guess thats better than being a liar

You've been caught lying and are widely regarded as one of the three biggest morons on the politics board. Hope this helps.

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berzerkfairy how you doing  :D :D

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Question:

Will the terrorrist be able to appeal the decision?

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THIS VERDICT WAS COMPLETE BOGUS CRAP.   CRIMINAL LAW 101  - ASK GEORGE WHOREWELL, IS THAT IF YOU ARE FOUND GUILTY OF CONSPIRACY, YOU ARE ALSO LIABLE FOR ALL RESULTANT ACTS.

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The crime of conspiracy is traditionally defined as an agreement between two or more persons, entered into for the purpose of committing an unlawful act. At first carefully delimited in scope, conspiracy evolved through a long and tortuous history into a tool employed against dangerous group activity of any sort. The twentieth century in particular has witnessed an expansion of conspiracy law in the face of modern organized crime, complex business arrangements in restraint of trade, and subversive political activity. At the same time, indiscriminate conspiracy prosecutions have sparked great controversy, not only because the vagueness of the concept of agreement and the difficulty in proving it frequently result in convictions with only a tenuous basis for criminal liability, but also because conspiracy law involves a number of extensions of traditional criminal law doctrines. The principal extensions are the following:

1.Conspiracy criminalizes an agreement to commit a crime, even though an attempt conviction would not be permitted because of the highly preparatory nature of the act.

2.Although conspiracy is now generally limited in most jurisdictions to agreements to commit statutorily defined crimes, traditionally persons agreeing to commit tortious acts, or indeed any acts resulting in "prejudice to the general welfare," could be held liable for conspiracy.

3.All conspirators are liable for crimes committed in furtherance of the conspiracy by any member of the group, regardless of whether liability would be established by the law of complicity.

4.Contrary to the usual rule that an attempt to commit a crime merges with the completed offense, conspirators may be tried and punished for both the conspiracy and the completed crime.


5.Special procedural rules designed to facilitate conspiracy prosecutions can prejudice the rights of defendants. For example, all conspirators may be joined for trial, with resultant danger of confusion of issues and of guilt by association; and rules of evidence are loosened to alleviate the difficulties of proving the existence of a clandestine agreement.

In order better to understand and evaluate these doctrines, it is necessary to examine the elements of the crime of conspiracy. Like most crimes, conspiracy requires an act (actus reus) and an accompanying mental state (mens rea). The agreement constitutes the act, and the intention to achieve the unlawful objective of that agreement constitutes the required mental state.


Read more: Conspiracy - Introduction - Crime, Agreement, Law, Commit, Act, and Crimes http://law.jrank.org/pages/716/Conspiracy-Introduction.html#ixzz15e0OWIfd

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On a slightly different topic:

Why haven't anyone been able to catch Osama bin Laden yet?

Don't you guys think that is a little strange?

BTW, let me first say that I don't buy into any conspiracy about him being on US payroll or anything like that.

But I'm just saying that it seems like he vanished.

Which would perhaps be possible if he would retire completely.

But it seems like he's still in charge, at least from what the reports about Al-Qaida says.

And how is that possible, that he couldn't be traced?

Karadzic completely retired and hid. But was still traced.




Just something I thought of the other day.
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333 don't bother explaining the law to these morons. If it doesn't involve Sarah Palin's menstrual cycle, it's beyond their comprehension. The law is quite simple. I'll break it down for the Jerry's kids of this board==>Conspiracy to commit murder; if the murder is committed all co-conspirators are guilty of murder and or any underlying criminal acts that stem from the conspiracy no matter what their role in the conspiracy was-- period. Even if nobody dies, you are guilty of attempted murder for being involved in the conspiracy if steps were taken in furtherance of committing the crime. To be found guilty, you don't even have to know who all the participants in the conspiracy are, and it is irrelevant how minimal your role was in the conspiracy. In this case the verdict makes no sense because if you conspire to destroy U.S. property, and there are people on the property that die at the time it is destroyed, then you are guilty of murder/ terrorism and about 100 other crimes that warrant life in prison or death sentence. Plain and simple. That is it.

This is a disaster, a miscarriage of justice and a huge blow to this administration. Being smug and incompetent is a dangerous combination.

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On a slightly different topic:

Why haven't anyone been able to catch Osama bin Laden yet?

Don't you guys think that is a little strange?

BTW, let me first say that I don't buy into any conspiracy about him being on US payroll or anything like that.

But I'm just saying that it seems like he vanished.

Which would perhaps be possible if he would retire completely.

But it seems like he's still in charge, at least from what the reports about Al-Qaida says.

And how is that possible, that he couldn't be traced?

Karadzic completely retired and hid. But was still traced.




Just something I thought of the other day.

I don't think it's that strange. I'm 100% convinced that the terrorist state of Pakistan's ISI is hiding him and, believe it or not, the ISI is pretty effective at what they do. Hell, they're the entire reason we're still in Afghanistan.

Best keep sending them billions of dollars, though.

And it took them years to find Karadzic. And he was in a small country like that. It's a lot different going into a no-go zone like Pakistan (especially their tribal regions) and trying to track these guys down.

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333 don't bother explaining the law to these morons. If it doesn't involve Sarah Palin's menstrual cycle, it's beyond their comprehension. The law is quite simple. I'll break it down for the Jerry's kids of this board==>Conspiracy to commit murder; if the murder is committed all co-conspirators are guilty of murder and or any underlying criminal acts that stem from the conspiracy no matter what their role in the conspiracy was-- period. Even if nobody dies, you are guilty of attempted murder for being involved in the conspiracy if steps were taken in furtherance of committing the crime. To be found guilty, you don't even have to know who all the participants in the conspiracy are, and it is irrelevant how minimal your role was in the conspiracy. In this case the verdict makes no sense because if you conspire to destroy U.S. property, and there are people on the property that die at the time it is destroyed, then you are guilty of murder/ terrorism and about 100 other crimes that warrant life in prison or death sentence. Plain and simple. That is it.

This is a disaster, a miscarriage of justice and a huge blow to this administration. Being smug and incompetent is a dangerous combination.


Like GW said - 240 / blacken, mons, hedge -

LEAVE THE LEGAL ISSUES TO THOSE OF US WHO KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT IT. 

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I don't think it's that strange. I'm 100% convinced that the terrorist state of Pakistan's ISI is hiding him and, believe it or not, the ISI is pretty effective at what they do. Hell, they're the entire reason we're still in Afghanistan.

Best keep sending them billions of dollars, though.

And it took them years to find Karadzic. And he was in a small country like that. It's a lot different going into a no-go zone like Pakistan (especially their tribal regions) and trying to track these guys down.

I had to read up on ISI. Have to admit I didn't know much about it.

Interesting.
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333 don't bother explaining the law to these morons. If it doesn't involve Sarah Palin's menstrual cycle, it's beyond their comprehension. The law is quite simple. I'll break it down for the Jerry's kids of this board==>Conspiracy to commit murder; if the murder is committed all co-conspirators are guilty of murder and or any underlying criminal acts that stem from the conspiracy no matter what their role in the conspiracy was-- period. Even if nobody dies, you are guilty of attempted murder for being involved in the conspiracy if steps were taken in furtherance of committing the crime. To be found guilty, you don't even have to know who all the participants in the conspiracy are, and it is irrelevant how minimal your role was in the conspiracy. In this case the verdict makes no sense because if you conspire to destroy U.S. property, and there are people on the property that die at the time it is destroyed, then you are guilty of murder/ terrorism and about 100 other crimes that warrant life in prison or death sentence. Plain and simple. That is it.

This is a disaster, a miscarriage of justice and a huge blow to this administration. Being smug and incompetent is a dangerous combination.

Great post.

Actually a VERY good explanation.

Thanks.
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I had to read up on ISI. Have to admit I didn't know much about it.

Interesting.

It's widely believe that they have up to 7 operatives sitting on the Taliban's Quetta council and that they've been orchestrating the insurgency against the US for years now, which begs the question, "why do we consider Pakistan an ally again?"


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It's widely believe that they have up to 7 operatives sitting on the Taliban's Quetta council and that they've been orchestrating the insurgency against the US for years now, which begs the question, "why do we consider Pakistan an ally again?"



Seems like it's much like Turkey - a government within the government.

So perhaps the civil government really is - sort of, kind of - an ally.
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Seems like it's much like Turkey - a government within the government.

So perhaps the civil government really is - sort of, kind of - an ally.

I suppose that argument can be made. I'd be more inclined to believe that there are people in the Pakistani government that know full well what the ISI is doing. Maybe not the President, but I wouldn't have any trouble believing there are higher-ups who know.

For what it's worth, Pakistan has more troops stationed on the border with India than they do in the northwest tribal regions. Yet who is more likely to topple the Pakistani government anytime soon? That's right, the psychopaths coming out of the tribal regions.

Regardless, I don't doubt for a second that the ISI doesn't know full well where a lot of the Taliban/Al Qaeda high command are. Those guys are too big to be able to move throughout that country without them knowing.

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DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was cleared of charges thats fucked up. So he got off and is free now? Where is he partying at?

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DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was cleared of charges thats fucked up. So he got off and is free now? Where is he partying at?

That's a pretty foolish statement, Mal.

This guy played a direct hand in the murder of 224 people and got off on every charge but one, and a conspiracy charge nonetheless. Talk about pathetic.