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Ghailani faces a minimum sentence of 20 years in prison and a possible life sentence. He will remain in custody and sentencing will take place on Jan. 25, 2011.




First Terrorist tried in civilian court in NYC cleared of charges.  WE TOLD YOU!               i little misleading


PLEASE!!! 280+ charges and he's cleared of all but ONE. And, with more legal chicanery from some left-winged goofball lawyer, he'll serve a quarter to half of that.

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Holder Should Resign Or Be Fired, and Obama Should Apologize
Townhall.com ^ | November 18, 2010 | Hugh Hewitt



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Outrage is growing at the intersection of ideology and incompetence that is the jury's collapse in the trial of Ahmed Ghailani, declared acquitted in the murders of 224 innocents, including a dozen Americans.

The outrage is growing as Americans learn more and more about how utterly avoidable this outrageous miscarriage of justice was. John Podhoretz's and Jennifer Rubin's criticisms are among the most pointed and both employ the damning word "debacle" in the title, and Powerline's Scott Johnson and John Hinderaker weigh in with "The Failure Option." Eric Holder who repeatedly declared his confidence in this process should resign and the president should apologize to the nation and especially to the families of the victims whose killed now has been declared not guilty

An email from an individual very experienced in federal criminal proceedings comments:

This smells like a compromise verdict to me. On Monday you had the report that a juror asked to be excused, claiming she was the lone holdout and she feared continuing verbal assaults on her by the other jurors for refusing to agree with them.

I suspect the 11 jurors wanted to convict on all counts, and this one juror refused.

In order to reach a verdict, the 11 jurors agreed to join her in acquitting him on all counts but one, in exchange for her agreeing to convict him on the one count -- which sounds the least serious based on its description in the indictment.

But, the potential sentence for that count is a minimum of 20 years and a maximum of life. Its up to the district judge to determine how much time he will give him, and the judge can consider all the evidence at trial, including the evidence on the acquitted counts.

To take those counts into consideration in determining what sentence to impose, the judge is only required to find by a preponderance of evidence that the defendant was involved in the criminal conduct for which he was acquitted. He's not being punished for the acquitted conduct, rather, that conduct is to inform the judge about the nature of the defendant's character.

I expect the judge will give him life when all is said and done.

I would like to say "of course the judge will give him life," but who knows? The terrorist should be executed --should have been executed long ago. He murdered hundreds, including a dozen Americans, and his compatriots are cheering this carnival of the incompetent.

America cannot protect its citizens abroad nor avenge them even when their killers are captured. First a bare majority of the Supreme Court repeatedly overrode first the decisions of the Executive and then of the Executive and Congress acting jointly, and then hard left ideology invaded the Department of Justice and was empowered by President Obama and Attorney General Holder. The consequences are on display.

People should reread Justice Scalia's dissent in Boumediene, the Supreme Court's decision rejecting the other branches' joint judgment on the subject of the application of habeas corpus to the terrorists. Justice Scalia zeroed in on the arrogance of the Supreme Court in attempting to dictate how these unlawful combatants ought to be dealt with:

But even when the military has evidence that it can bring forward, it is often foolhardy to release that evidence to the attorneys representing our enemies. And one escalation of procedures that the Court is clear about is affording the detainees increased access to witnesses (perhaps troops serving in Afghanistan?) and to classified information. See ante, at 54–55. During the 1995 prosecution of Omar Abdel Rahman, federal prosecutors gave the names of 200 unindicted co-conspirators to the “Blind Sheik’s” defense lawyers; that information was in the hands of Osama Bin Laden within two weeks. See Minority Report 14–15. In another case, trial testimony revealed to the enemy that the United States had been monitoring their cellular network, whereupon they promptly stopped using it, enabling more of them to evade capture and continue their atrocities. See id., at 15.

And today it is not just the military that the Court elbows aside. A mere two Terms ago in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U. S. 557 (2006) , when the Court held (quite amazingly) that the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 had not stripped habeas jurisdiction over Guantanamo petitioners’ claims, four Members of today’s five-Justice majority joined an opinion saying the following:

“Nothing prevents the President from returning to Congress to seek the authority [for trial by military commission] he believes necessary.

“Where, as here, no emergency prevents consultation with Congress, judicial insistence upon that consultation does not weaken our Nation’s ability to deal with danger. To the contrary, that insistence strengthens the Nation’s ability to determine—through democratic means—how best to do so. The Constitution places its faith in those democratic means.” Id., at 636 (Breyer, J., concurring).1

Turns out they were just kidding. For in response, Congress, at the President’s request, quickly enacted the Military Commissions Act, emphatically reasserting that it did not want these prisoners filing habeas petitions. It is therefore clear that Congress and the Executive—both political branches—have determined that limiting the role of civilian courts in adjudicating whether prisoners captured abroad are properly detained is important to success in the war that some 190,000 of our men and women are now fighting. As the Solicitor General argued, “the Military Commissions Act and the Detainee Treatment Act … represent an effort by the political branches to strike an appropriate balance between the need to preserve liberty and the need to accommodate the weighty and sensitive governmental interests in ensuring that those who have in fact fought with the enemy during a war do not return to battle against the United States.” Brief for Respondents 10–11 (internal quotation marks omitted).

But it does not matter. The Court today decrees that no good reason to accept the judgment of the other two branches is “apparent.” Ante, at 40. “The Government,” it declares, “presents no credible arguments that the military mission at Guantanamo would be compromised if habeas corpus courts had jurisdiction to hear the detainees’ claims.” Id., at 39. What competence does the Court have to second-guess the judgment of Congress and the President on such a point? None whatever. But the Court blunders in nonetheless. Henceforth, as today’s opinion makes unnervingly clear, how to handle enemy prisoners in this war will ultimately lie with the branch that knows least about the national security concerns that the subject entails.

The Supreme Court did not overturn the two branches' decision to authorize military tribunals in Boumediene. The five justice majority just made it more difficult to ever execute the terrorist convicted by the tribunals.

But the long proceedings and attendant confusion foisted on the country by the five justicies in this case and those that preceded it allowed the rise of this insane Obama-Holder approach the fruits of which are now on display in New York City.

Hopefully all but the most ideologically blinded of the cheerleaders of this manifestly unworkable and unnecessary process will now recognize their own folly and all future proceedings for unlawful combatants who are not American citizens will take place in military tribunals conducted at Gitmo. Hopefully at least one more Supreme Court Justice will blink in sudden recognition of the awful injustice their "reasoning" has produced and appropriately defer to the combined judgments of the Article I and Article II authorities on a matter of national security.

Hopefully at least some on the the academic left will shut up about that which they nothing about --the difficulty of trying unlawful combatants with civilians in the jury box and prosecutors unable to use evidence both because of evidentiary standards that ought not to be applicable to terrorists captured abroad and because of the the fear of compromising the methods and sources of intelligence gathering.

If these are the results of this case, perhaps the families of the victims of the massacre perpetrated by Ahmed Ghailani will receive some comfort that while the killer was acquitted of these murders, the manifest and shocking injustice of that result has curbed at least for a while the insanity of the American legal left, and especially its most prominent and powerful members, Barack Obama and Eric Holder.

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Holder Should Resign Or Be Fired, and Obama Should Apologize
Townhall.com ^ | November 18, 2010 | Hugh Hewitt



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Outrage is growing at the intersection of ideology and incompetence that is the jury's collapse in the trial of Ahmed Ghailani, declared acquitted in the murders of 224 innocents, including a dozen Americans.

The outrage is growing as Americans learn more and more about how utterly avoidable this outrageous miscarriage of justice was. John Podhoretz's and Jennifer Rubin's criticisms are among the most pointed and both employ the damning word "debacle" in the title, and Powerline's Scott Johnson and John Hinderaker weigh in with "The Failure Option." Eric Holder who repeatedly declared his confidence in this process should resign and the president should apologize to the nation and especially to the families of the victims whose killed now has been declared not guilty

An email from an individual very experienced in federal criminal proceedings comments:

This smells like a compromise verdict to me. On Monday you had the report that a juror asked to be excused, claiming she was the lone holdout and she feared continuing verbal assaults on her by the other jurors for refusing to agree with them.

I suspect the 11 jurors wanted to convict on all counts, and this one juror refused.

In order to reach a verdict, the 11 jurors agreed to join her in acquitting him on all counts but one, in exchange for her agreeing to convict him on the one count -- which sounds the least serious based on its description in the indictment.

But, the potential sentence for that count is a minimum of 20 years and a maximum of life. Its up to the district judge to determine how much time he will give him, and the judge can consider all the evidence at trial, including the evidence on the acquitted counts.

To take those counts into consideration in determining what sentence to impose, the judge is only required to find by a preponderance of evidence that the defendant was involved in the criminal conduct for which he was acquitted. He's not being punished for the acquitted conduct, rather, that conduct is to inform the judge about the nature of the defendant's character.

I expect the judge will give him life when all is said and done.

I would like to say "of course the judge will give him life," but who knows? The terrorist should be executed --should have been executed long ago. He murdered hundreds, including a dozen Americans, and his compatriots are cheering this carnival of the incompetent.

America cannot protect its citizens abroad nor avenge them even when their killers are captured. First a bare majority of the Supreme Court repeatedly overrode first the decisions of the Executive and then of the Executive and Congress acting jointly, and then hard left ideology invaded the Department of Justice and was empowered by President Obama and Attorney General Holder. The consequences are on display.

People should reread Justice Scalia's dissent in Boumediene, the Supreme Court's decision rejecting the other branches' joint judgment on the subject of the application of habeas corpus to the terrorists. Justice Scalia zeroed in on the arrogance of the Supreme Court in attempting to dictate how these unlawful combatants ought to be dealt with:

But even when the military has evidence that it can bring forward, it is often foolhardy to release that evidence to the attorneys representing our enemies. And one escalation of procedures that the Court is clear about is affording the detainees increased access to witnesses (perhaps troops serving in Afghanistan?) and to classified information. See ante, at 54–55. During the 1995 prosecution of Omar Abdel Rahman, federal prosecutors gave the names of 200 unindicted co-conspirators to the “Blind Sheik’s” defense lawyers; that information was in the hands of Osama Bin Laden within two weeks. See Minority Report 14–15. In another case, trial testimony revealed to the enemy that the United States had been monitoring their cellular network, whereupon they promptly stopped using it, enabling more of them to evade capture and continue their atrocities. See id., at 15.

And today it is not just the military that the Court elbows aside. A mere two Terms ago in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld, 548 U. S. 557 (2006) , when the Court held (quite amazingly) that the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 had not stripped habeas jurisdiction over Guantanamo petitioners’ claims, four Members of today’s five-Justice majority joined an opinion saying the following:

“Nothing prevents the President from returning to Congress to seek the authority [for trial by military commission] he believes necessary.

“Where, as here, no emergency prevents consultation with Congress, judicial insistence upon that consultation does not weaken our Nation’s ability to deal with danger. To the contrary, that insistence strengthens the Nation’s ability to determine—through democratic means—how best to do so. The Constitution places its faith in those democratic means.” Id., at 636 (Breyer, J., concurring).1

Turns out they were just kidding. For in response, Congress, at the President’s request, quickly enacted the Military Commissions Act, emphatically reasserting that it did not want these prisoners filing habeas petitions. It is therefore clear that Congress and the Executive—both political branches—have determined that limiting the role of civilian courts in adjudicating whether prisoners captured abroad are properly detained is important to success in the war that some 190,000 of our men and women are now fighting. As the Solicitor General argued, “the Military Commissions Act and the Detainee Treatment Act … represent an effort by the political branches to strike an appropriate balance between the need to preserve liberty and the need to accommodate the weighty and sensitive governmental interests in ensuring that those who have in fact fought with the enemy during a war do not return to battle against the United States.” Brief for Respondents 10–11 (internal quotation marks omitted).

But it does not matter. The Court today decrees that no good reason to accept the judgment of the other two branches is “apparent.” Ante, at 40. “The Government,” it declares, “presents no credible arguments that the military mission at Guantanamo would be compromised if habeas corpus courts had jurisdiction to hear the detainees’ claims.” Id., at 39. What competence does the Court have to second-guess the judgment of Congress and the President on such a point? None whatever. But the Court blunders in nonetheless. Henceforth, as today’s opinion makes unnervingly clear, how to handle enemy prisoners in this war will ultimately lie with the branch that knows least about the national security concerns that the subject entails.

The Supreme Court did not overturn the two branches' decision to authorize military tribunals in Boumediene. The five justice majority just made it more difficult to ever execute the terrorist convicted by the tribunals.

But the long proceedings and attendant confusion foisted on the country by the five justicies in this case and those that preceded it allowed the rise of this insane Obama-Holder approach the fruits of which are now on display in New York City.

Hopefully all but the most ideologically blinded of the cheerleaders of this manifestly unworkable and unnecessary process will now recognize their own folly and all future proceedings for unlawful combatants who are not American citizens will take place in military tribunals conducted at Gitmo. Hopefully at least one more Supreme Court Justice will blink in sudden recognition of the awful injustice their "reasoning" has produced and appropriately defer to the combined judgments of the Article I and Article II authorities on a matter of national security.

Hopefully at least some on the the academic left will shut up about that which they nothing about --the difficulty of trying unlawful combatants with civilians in the jury box and prosecutors unable to use evidence both because of evidentiary standards that ought not to be applicable to terrorists captured abroad and because of the the fear of compromising the methods and sources of intelligence gathering.

If these are the results of this case, perhaps the families of the victims of the massacre perpetrated by Ahmed Ghailani will receive some comfort that while the killer was acquitted of these murders, the manifest and shocking injustice of that result has curbed at least for a while the insanity of the American legal left, and especially its most prominent and powerful members, Barack Obama and Eric Holder.

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He did get cleared of murder.   Over 200 counts of it. 

But he was convicted of a charge and will serve time, you dont see how your title is misleading?

Cuz i can say "Terroist convicted of charge and will face 20 to life sentence" and i would be right.


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But he was convicted of a charge and will serve time, you dont see how your title is misleading?

Cuz i can say "Terroist convicted of charge and will face 20 to life sentence" and i would be right.



Yeah - and ignoring the 90000000000 lb gorilla in th room - that being - the charges of murders were cleared. 

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Yeah - and ignoring the 90000000000 lb gorilla in th room - that being - the charges of murders were cleared. 

Exactly, so why not be a bit more accurate and you can still get your point accross with trying to mislead readers

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Exactly, so why not be a bit more accurate and you can still get your point accross with trying to mislead readers

I'm not misleading shit. 

Only a TEAM KNEEPAD cock sucking slave to the obama cult would declare this anything but what it is -   FFFAAAIIILLL! ! ! !

Guess what Mal - KSM now is getting a military trial due to this fiasco by Obama and Gitmo is and will never be closed.   

Again - law aint your thing bro - stick to dissecting frogs and baby pigs.   

This was a disaster legally.     

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Senator Webb: Ghailani Verdict Affirms Need for Military Commissions



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Says such individuals “do not belong in our courts, our prisons or our country”

November 18, 2010

Senator Jim Webb issued the following statement regarding yesterday’s civilian court verdict for Ahmed Ghailani, who actively participated in al-Qaeda attacks in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Saalam, Tanzania, which killed 224 people, including 12 Americans. Ghailani was found guilty on a single conspiracy charge but cleared on 284 other counts.

“Yesterday’s verdict acquitting international terrorist Ahmed Gailani of 284 of the counts against him affirms what I and others have said from the beginning: those charged with crimes of war and those who have been determined to be dangerous law-of-war detainees do not belong in our courts, our prisons or our country.

“I again call on President Obama to use the new military commission system that is in place to try the terrorist detainees currently held at the Guantanamo detention facilities.  The new commission system is consistent with international standards. Moreover, it balances robust procedural and substantive rights for the defendants, including prohibiting the introduction of evidence obtained through torture, against the reality that these are not common criminals but violators of the law of war.”



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Democrat Senators even realize what a disaster this is. 


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I'm not misleading shit. 

Only a TEAM KNEEPAD cock sucking slave to the obama cult would declare this anything but what it is -   FFFAAAIIILLL! ! ! !

Guess what Mal - KSM now is getting a military trial due to this fiasco by Obama and Gitmo is and will never be closed.   

Again - law aint your thing bro - stick to dissecting frogs and baby pigs.   

This was a disaster legally.     

So if i put he was found guilty and will be sentenced to possible life i wouldnt be misleading?

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So if i put he was found guilty and will be sentenced to possible life i wouldnt be misleading?

Yes, in the over context of the case. 

This is like the DA cheering for joy when Capone got convicted on a tax charge while having the rest of the case tossed. 

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But he was convicted of a charge and will serve time, you dont see how your title is misleading?

Cuz i can say "Terroist convicted of charge and will face 20 to life sentence" and i would be right.



ARE YOU SMOKING ROCKS?

This is like a mob boss who commits arson, exhorts people for money, has dozens of people brutally murdered, and gets off SCOTT FREE on those charges.......only to be popped later for tax evasion.

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I don't think it's that strange. I'm 100% convinced that the terrorist state of Pakistan's ISI is hiding him and, believe it or not, the ISI is pretty effective at what they do. Hell, they're the entire reason we're still in Afghanistan.

Best keep sending them billions of dollars, though.

It's amazing.

People see it as a complete CT that we'd ever "let bin laden be free to keep these wars going".

But they openly accept the fact we're sending billions to the group that is protecting him, the same group that paid top terrorist Atta $100k, just 4 days before 911.

I mean.... I don't get it.

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ARE YOU SMOKING ROCKS?

This is like a mob boss who commits arson, exhorts people for money, has dozens of people brutally murdered, and gets off SCOTT FREE on those charges.......only to be popped later for tax evasion.

ha ha ha ha - same time we posted that  

obama/Holder = FAIL!  

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Baby Girl said it best, two years ago at the GOP convention,

Al-Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights!

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It's amazing.

People see it as a complete CT that we'd ever "let bin laden be free to keep these wars going".

But they openly accept the fact we're sending billions to the group that is protecting him, the same group that paid top terrorist Atta $100k, just 4 days before 911.

I mean.... I don't get it.

The fuck are you rambling about? Why does it have to be a CT? I'm more inclined to believe that our government doesn't grasp anything about that region of the world and thinks that appeasement works when, in reality, the only thing those people respond to is brute force.  

We're playing a double game with Pakistan and it's biting us in the ass. We try to play nice with Pakistan, sending them billions of dollars, nurturing them and slowly urging them on when in reality we should be holding a gun to their collective temple and demanding that they turn these guys over.

Nothing CT about it.

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Real simple numbnuts

Cleared of charges but was convicted and will serve 20-life


if you cant see that. i just dont know what else to say

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Getting 20 years for murdering 200 people isn't bad. Mal some of your "homeboys" have received more time for getting caught shoplifting 3 times under CA's 3 strikes and you’re out law. It doesn't make you angry that an Al Qaeda member who is responsible for the murder of 200 innocent people, who was not an American citizen, who had no connection with this country whatsoever besides his fevered attempts to destroy American interests and kill American people, is probably going to be sent home (receiving a hero's welcome home of course) after 20 years in American prison with 3 meals a day, shelter and cable TV that is being subsidized with your tax money?

Maybe you are too ignorant to engage in serious debate. Not just you, but everyone here who thinks this isn't a travesty. The bigger issue besides this farce of a verdict is what happens the next time and the time after that. The American criminal justice system is not equipped to handle foreign terrorists that wage war against the United States. That is why we have military tribunals and why Guantanamo was opened in the first place.
 Those of you who have even the slightest bit of understanding of what is at stake here should be furious over this verdict and the potential ramifications it will have for future Al Qaeda prosecutions. I spent an entire semester being taught by a federal judge (who is still on the bench by the way) with prosecutorial experience in terrorism cases. I memorized the patriot act, FISA, the material support statute of the U.S. Code ( as well as article 7, sections of the UCMJ, the AUMF which was passed by Congress giving Bush the power to invade Iraq and Afghanistan)and every other piece of legislation that was introduced since 911 to fight terrorism. I sat through lectures by FBI agents, the defense attorney of Al Qaeda convert Jose Padilla and case study after case study to the point of nausea.  Point blank, I know what the fuck I'm talking about and 99% of you don’t
 Guilt and innocence are going to be weighed against revealing state secrets, embedded terrorist informants, counter terrorism measures and while that is being mulled over, the prospect of a known terrorist going free is going to hinge on variables such as the judge, the jury pool and the ability of the prosecutor versus the talent of the defense attorney.  These are not routine criminal prosecutions and should not be treated as such for a multitude of reasons. If this latest verdict is any indication of things to come, we are royally fucked. You want to talk about emboldening the enemy? You think someone willing to die for their cause wouldn’t murder 200 people and receive 20 years in an American prison as their punishment? I just hope that when one of these martyrs comes to that realization, you or someone you love isn’t among the pile of rubble that is left behind.

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Real simple numbnuts

Cleared of charges but was convicted and will serve 20-life


if you cant see that. i just dont know what else to say

You have nothing else to say because you don't know shit aboutlaw, so go back to dissecting frogs and sticking thermometersin peoples' asses.  

Even Webb - a DEMOCRAT SENATOR said this was a disaster.    But oh yeah - Mr.  $300 shades knows best.    ::)

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Cleared of charges but was convicted and will serve 20-life


if you cant see that. i just dont know what else to say

Hey, Einstein!!

The other big-eared buffoon (who happens to be a light-skinned black man) said this was a slam-dunk case.

Over 200 people DEAD (a dozen of whom are fellow Americans); this terrorist slime gets convicted of "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property".

If you can't see that, again ARE YOU SMOKING ROCKS? Plus, if the civilian trial BLEW THIS, what make you think this piece of garbage will serve even HALF of that sentence?



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You have nothing else to say because you don't know shit aboutlaw, so go back to dissecting frogs and sticking thermometersin peoples' asses.  

Even Webb - a DEMOCRAT SENATOR said this was a disaster.    But oh yeah - Mr.  $300 shades knows best.    ::)

Shut the fuck up. Its not about law right now. You idiot. Its not about party. Its about your misleading ass title.. I dont like it either, but i wont play this game just to get people to see my thread. Thats like a girl who gossips and puts 20s on 10s to make it sound better...Just say he was convicted with the lesser of all charges and youre pissed about it. So again take my muthafuckin experience as a basis for me to comment on something out of it. Just because i disagree with your monkey ass method of doing something, dosent make me wrong. For the record you fuckin tard. I dont like the verdict. But i dont like your thread title. Its misleading and could be done smarter. Now i tried to be nice to your dumb ass by pointing out examples and saying youre better than that, but you insist on being a dick about it. Fuckin dumbass

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Hey, Einstein!!

The other big-eared buffoon (who happens to be a light-skinned black man) said this was a slam-dunk case.
Over 200 people DEAD (a dozen of whom are fellow Americans); this terrorist slime gets convicted of "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property".
If you can't see that, again ARE YOU SMOKING ROCKS? Plus, if the civilian trial BLEW THIS, what make you think this piece of garbage will serve even HALF of that sentence?

Jesus h christ. What the fuck am i doing here... ::) listen fuckstick
I DONT LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE EITHER>> ITS LIKE REALLY FUCKED UP...But the title says he was "cleared of charges" not "cleared of most charges" "cleared of some Charges" "cleared of the most serious charges" It says "cleared of charges" ...but the dude will actually serve 20-life. Please tell me you see where im coming from because im damn near starting to loose faith in the human race

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Shut the fuck up. Its not about law right now. You idiot. Its not about party. Its about your misleading ass title.. I dont like it either, but i wont play this game just to get people to see my thread. Thats like a girl who gossips and puts 20s on 10s to make it sound better...Just say he was convicted with the lesser of all charges and youre pissed about it. So again take my muthafuckin experience as a basis for me to comment on something out of it. Just because i disagree with your monkey ass method of doing something, dosent make me wrong. For the record you fuckin tard. I dont like the verdict. But i dont like your thread title. Its misleading and could be done smarter. Now i tried to be nice to your dumb ass by pointing out examples and saying youre better than that, but you insist on being a dick about it. Fuckin dumbass

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thank you i said that at the beginning of this post, and all that fuckstick does is change the subject, typ.

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Jesus h christ. What the fuck am i doing here... ::) listen fuckstick
I DONT LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE EITHER>> ITS LIKE REALLY FUCKED UP...But the title says he was "cleared of charges" not "cleared of most charges" "cleared of some Charges" "cleared of the most serious charges" It says "cleared of charges" ...but the dude will actually serve 20-life. Please tell me you see where im coming from because im damn near starting to loose faith in the human race

WRONG - cleared of all but the one bogus charge that the janitor could have been convicted of.      

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Jesus h christ. What the fuck am i doing here... ::) listen fuckstick
I DONT LIKE THE OUTCOME OF THE CASE EITHER>> ITS LIKE REALLY FUCKED UP...But the title says he was "cleared of charges" not "cleared of most charges" "cleared of some Charges" "cleared of the most serious charges" It says "cleared of charges" ...but the dude will actually serve 20-life. Please tell me you see where im coming from because im damn near starting to loose faith in the human race

First, the word is, "LOSE", O brilliant one.

Second, I'm fully aware of the title of the thread. When you think of "terrorist", the first thing that comes to mind is that this fool KILLED someone. In this case, it's over 200 people. He got cleared of those charges. He was charged with "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property". Heck, spray-painting "Army Sucks" on a recruiting station is "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property".

Again, Holder called this a slam dunk. In fact, his and Obama's ENTIRE ARGUMENT for shutting down Gitmo was that these numbskulls would receive virtually the same sentence in civilian courts that they would in military tribunals in Gitmo.

For some STRANGE reason, I don't think this fool would have walked with just "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property", had he been tried in Gitmo.

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First, the word is, "LOSE", O brilliant one.
Second, I'm fully aware of the title of the thread. When you think of "terrorist", the first thing that comes to mind is that this fool KILLED someone. In this case, it's over 200 people. He got cleared of those charges. He was charged with "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property". Heck, spray-painting "Army Sucks" on a recruiting station is "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property".

Again, Holder called this a slam dunk. In fact, his and Obama's ENTIRE ARGUMENT for shutting down Gitmo was that these numbskulls would receive virtually the same sentence in civilian courts that they would in military tribunals in Gitmo.

For some STRANGE reason, I don't think this fool would have walked with just "conspiracy to destroy U.S. government property", had he been tried in Gitmo.
For real?  ::) we pointin out typos. ok you do that

Alls im saying is to say someone got off but will serve 20-life... its wrong.