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The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« on: November 19, 2010, 07:47:08 AM »
In the fourth edition of White House White Board, Austan Goolsbee, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers, discusses the President's tough decisions on the American auto industry in light of the General Motors IPO.
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 07:49:54 AM »
So what every 20 to 30 years the American tax payer gets to foot the bill for the industry to be "reborn"? What a fucking joke ::)
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 07:51:29 AM »
Factbox: Taxpayers in deep water on GM investment
Thu, Nov 18 2010



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(Reuters) - General Motors Co may have the world's biggest initial public offering, but U.S. taxpayers were more than $9 billion underwater on the government-funded restructuring at its current share price on Thursday.

A breakdown of the paper loss follows.

* The U.S. Treasury loaned GM about $49.86 billion from late 2008 through 2009 to restructure the company and finance its move through bankruptcy and beyond.

* Before accounting for the Treasury proceeds from the IPO, GM had repaid about $9.74 billion to the government. Those repayments included unused loans, the purchase of Treasury preferred shares, and dividends and interest. That left taxpayers owed a little more than $40.1 billion.

* Including overallotments, Treasury will recover more than $13.6 billion by selling 412.3 million common shares, leaving taxpayers owed about $26.5 billion. Treasury would need to sell its remaining 500.1 million share-stake at an average price of about $53 for taxpayers to be repaid.

* With GM shares trading at $34.50 Thursday afternoon on the New York Stock Exchange, taxpayers were facing an $18.50 per-share deficit on their remaining stake, or about $9.25 billion.

SOURCES: Treasury public reports, GM SEC filings

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 07:56:12 AM »
oh to hear this prick say that it was about saving American Jobs...  Oh that's rich coming from GM ::)  They have a real stellar record of saving American Jobs ::)

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 07:58:40 AM »
oh to hear this prick say that it was about saving American Jobs...  Oh that's rich coming from GM ::)  They have a real stellar record of saving American Jobs ::)

They just moved a plant to mexico and are dumping shit loads into China. 

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 08:00:57 AM »
current price is 33.67 -0.52 (-1.52%)

Why anyone would be in a hurry to get in on the IPO is beyond me, and needs to get there head examined.


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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 08:03:45 AM »
President Obama speaks to the media about General Motors' public stock offering and says that the company's recent success is an example of how tough choices on the economy are starting to pay off. November 18, 2010.
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 08:04:33 AM »
He looks like shit - like a washed out drunk. 

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2010, 08:07:05 AM »
I look like shit - like a washed out drunk. 

I imagine so.  :-\
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2010, 08:09:54 AM »
He looks strung out.   Probably doing coke again. 

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2010, 08:15:20 AM »
He looks strung out.   Probably doing coke again. 



Looks like he needs some sort of euphoric drug to make him happy these days..

He appears to be on the upper and downer cycle..

Hopefully, he won't follow in Elvis's footsteps

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2010, 08:15:55 AM »
He looks strung out.   Probably doing coke again. 
The prez looks fine.

And unlike you, he doesn't have the crust of "BILLY MINIMUM's" jizz on his chin.  :D
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2010, 08:17:26 AM »
The prez looks fine.

And unlike you, he doesn't have the crust of "BILLY MINIMUM's" jizz on his chin.  :D

Nah - he just has Larry sinclaires on his. 



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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2010, 08:24:37 AM »
Nah - he just has Larry sinclaires on his. 



not watching the video, sorry


Tell us, do you like the sound of "BILLY" bouncing his nuts on your chin?
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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2010, 08:27:00 AM »
Of course you won't watch -god forbid anyhing smashes your image of obama being anything but what he really is a drug addicted, marxist, incompetent, empty suit on the down-low. 

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2010, 08:29:19 AM »
Of course you won't watch -god forbid anyhing smashes your image of obama being anything but what he really is a drug addicted, marxist, incompetent, empty suit on the down-low. 
cock gobbler meltdown  :D



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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2010, 08:40:03 AM »
Nah - he just has Larry sinclaires on his. 




That is funny shit.  Obama smoked crack and this guy did coke..

Hahha

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2010, 09:46:28 AM »
The new Cruze looks like a great car, the Volt has been generating a ton of press.  GM and Chrysler are definitely making better products that's for sure.  Will they pay back all the money to the government?  I don't know but the government intervention has been the best thing that's happened to those car makers.  It was a good move by Bush to help them out. 
Abandon every hope...

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2010, 09:49:20 AM »
The only american cars I like right now that i am looking at

4 door Jeep Wrangler - Mountain/Sahara/Islander edition - most likely but reliability reports are shitty.

Chevy Corvette - not likely though since not practical.   

Ford Explorer - the new one is sick looking, like a Range Rover Sport.     




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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2010, 09:54:47 AM »
The only american cars I like right now that i am looking at

4 door Jeep Wrangler - Mountain/Sahara/Islander edition - most likely but reliability reports are shitty.

Chevy Corvette - not likely though since not practical.   

Ford Explorer - the new one is sick looking, like a Range Rover Sport.     





New Grand Cherokee looks nice, i tell you a nice Cherokee to get - the 3.0 Diesel.  It's a Benz engine and wheelbase, good on gas, torque of a V8 and holds it's value due to it's pedigree.

Abandon every hope...

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2010, 09:58:42 AM »
New Grand Cherokee looks nice, i tell you a nice Cherokee to get - the 3.0 Diesel.  It's a Benz engine and wheelbase, good on gas, torque of a V8 and holds it's value due to it's pedigree.



Those things are close to the 40k range! 

I can get a Sahara in the 30k range and have the two hitch fr the jet ski, the top off, TSHTF capabilities (LOL!), etc. 

My dad loves the vette conv and we are thinking of going half on that. a nice 2007-2009 white-red-yellow conv for about 30k and we are good to go. 

I have a 2002 Explorer that I just put about 2k into with the shocks and struts, and will say, at 70k miles - its going strong.   

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2010, 03:45:00 PM »
November 19, 2010
The Cadillac of Bad Ideas
By David Harsanyi

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Oh, good, the Obama administration has another imaginary victory for taxpayers to celebrate.

As you've probably heard, there's quite a bit of hubbub surrounding the news that the administration's car company has gone public.
 
President Barack Obama tells us that General Motors' initial public offering is proof that one of the toughest tales of recession "took another step to becoming a success story." Not "survival," but success. Taxpayers are going to make a profit, even!

Now, admittedly, success is a malleable concept. If by success we mean that General Motors still owes the government $43 billion -- not including that piddling $15 billion it borrowed to fund its financial arm -- and that many analysts are uncertain it can ever flourish, we're home free.

Success will mean temporarily setting aside the fact that the Treasury actually lost billions on the IPO as it "bought" GM stock at inflated prices. To break even on the freshly printed money taxpayers are "getting back" will probably mean GM needs to double in value over the next year to make us whole.

Do you feel whole? I do.

Don't worry. Not only is GM equipped with an array of unmerited advantages over companies operating successfully in the marketplace -- even without blank checks from taxpayers -- but also the IPO was exempted from federal and state anti-fraud laws just to make sure things still aren't exactly fair. (Then again, every GM success comes at the expense of someone else.)

If things get tough, we can rely on Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to trump up safety concerns regarding Toyota or Honda to correct the problem.

Success also means that Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and other institutions saved from extinction by taxpayers can now make hundreds of millions of dollars on an IPO from a company that only exists because of taxpayers.

It reminds me of the success we experienced the last time GM paid back taxpayers, when it utilized funds from a TARP escrow account rather than actual revenue. Paying back taxpayers with taxpayer dollars is an inventive accounting method, for sure.

And let's not forget that success is predicated on this president's strong-arming bondholders and essentially wiping out shareholders of a private company -- tearing up legal contracts rather than allowing a traditional bankruptcy. Success means shielding benefits of United Auto Workers as a reward for helping make cars that are less efficient and more expensive.

At the time, George Mason University law professor Todd Zywicki wrote that by "stepping over the bright line between the rule of law and the arbitrary behavior of men," the president "may have created a thousand new failing businesses."

Confiscating the property of investors for the common good isn't generally conducive to a healthy business environment.

Sean McAlinden of the Center for Automotive Research told NPR that investors may want to ask the new GM: "By the way, the last set of shareholders and bondholders you had, you totally screwed them. So why should I trust you now on nine months' worth of results?"

They may want to also ask why GM is making ideologically motivated money-losers, such as the Volt, a car the middle class won't be able to afford, even with massive subsidies. What happens when taxpayers divest themselves from GM's social engineering projects?

Taxpayers didn't have much of a choice in the matter on the front end. It'll be nice to see GM stand on its own -- until the next time.

But when we undermine the rule of law, ignore property rights, create moral hazards and destroy organic job growth to save a company that was terribly managed long before the recession, no one should brag about success.

Reach columnist David Harsanyi at dharsanyi@denverpost.com.

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Re: The Rebirth of The American Auto Industry
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2010, 07:15:03 AM »

GM selling at a loss should tell you something
6:10 PM 11/18/2010

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When a government sells stock in a company, it is usually trying to maximize short-term revenue. Therefore, the share price is normally pegged at what the market will bear. If the valuation of the total stock offering is less than the value of the company (or a portion thereof) being sold, something is amiss. That is certainly the case with the initial public offering of GM stock sold to investors on November 17. The stock price is telling us something the federal government doesn’t want to admit, all the rhetoric about the supposed success of the GM bailout notwithstanding.

Take, for instance, the last IPO I was involved in, the flotation in 1996 on the London Stock Exchange of RailTrack, the company that owned the infrastructure of the formerly nationalized British Rail. The government of Prime Minister John Major wanted to raise around £2.5 billion in the privatization. However, the plan quickly unraveled.

Major’s government was on its last legs, as it seemed likely to lose the election of 1997. Moreover, spokesmen for the Labour Party — which did go on to win — started making noises about renationalizing the company and toughening regulations on the railroad industry. This scared investors and the government was forced to discount the offering, which sold at a measly 380p per share, ultimately raising less than £2 billion. However, the share price later rose quickly to reflect the market’s true valuation of the company, and investors reaped the benefits while the government reflected on what might have been.

If the federal government wanted to recoup its investment in GM, then the GM stock price should be much higher than the $33 initial price. In order to break even, as the Deal Journal reports, the stock price would have to rise to around $50 per share. So why is the Treasury Department selling off the company at a loss?

First, the government is what is known as a “motivated seller.” By offering such a low stock price, the administration is essentially admitting that it has no place in running an auto company. While GM’s financial position is much better than it was when it should have gone bankrupt, the company’s finances are not great. A quick crunch of any of the numbers in the GM prospectus shows the company is not the healthy organization the politicos would have you believe. They have done a poor job running the company, even if they did save it from going under by ignoring the law and throwing billions of dollars at it. The sale prospectus even admits “our (that is, the government’s) disclosure controls and procedures and our internal control over financial reporting are currently not effective.” Hardly a ringing endorsement!

Second, they’re not the only ones in the game. The unusual bankruptcy settlement for GM granted a significant portion of the company to the United Auto Workers. The union is in this game too, even though it has no investment to recoup. The UAW is selling around 18 million shares, so it stands to gain about $500 million for its pension fund — at taxpayers’ expense.

Finally, just as with RailTrack, there is considerable political risk involved. If the feds could nationalize GM once, they can do it again. The company admits in its prospectus that “The UST [U.S. Treasury] (or its designee) will continue to own a substantial interest in us following this offering, and its interests may differ from those of our other stockholders.” It suggests that government might interfere in “The selection, tenure and compensation of our management; our business strategy and product offerings; our relationship with our employees, unions and other constituencies; and our financing activities, including the issuance of debt and equity securities.” Furthermore, the government has asserted sovereign immunity, meaning that the IPO is not subject to anti-fraud laws.

This might sound familiar to RailTrack investors. The Labour government of Tony Blair eventually forcibly bought out RailTrack stockholders at a price of around 250p — a loss of about 35 percent from the heavily discounted price at which the stock initially traded. By selling GM stock at a loss, the federal government is giving us fair warning, and admitting the bailouts’ enormous cost to the taxpayer.

Iain Murray is Vice President for Strategy at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. This column is not intended to offer investment advice on the GMO IPO being offered on the back of taxpayers, car dealership workers, and pension funds.



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