It's Amazing! Williams vs Martinez Tonight

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this fight was actually good for boxing imo. Williams is by no means a scrub and he just got ko'd. Goes to show you when two high level guys get it on this can happen. Only take one slip up at this level and you go to sleep.

Floyd does this same thing to pacman from a wicked counter. Trust me. They just collecting pay checks right now. Much credit to paul and sergio for going head to head in their prime.

[G_Thang]

middle weight division is a mixed bag after williams.  it's either a super mw coming down or martinez fighting at 154 which the money guys wont touch him. 

MWs

Sebastian Sylvester
Fernando Guerrero
Sebastian Zbik

could see williams vs martinez III by end of next yr...given how it ended....just one of those "i didnt see it coming" punches.   

[rudylrichards]

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I think they'll both beat Williams in a close 12rd decision.  They're both quick enough to take advantage of his length (punches takes longer to get there) and activity rate (easy to counterpunch).  FMW traditionally have an easier time against bigger fighters. They'd both have a very hard time with Martinez because of his speed and athlethicism   

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middle weight division is a mixed bag after williams.  it's either a super mw coming down or martinez fighting at 154 which the money guys wont touch him. 

MWs

Sebastian Sylvester
Fernando Guerrero
Sebastian Zbik

could see williams vs martinez III by end of next yr...given how it ended....just one of those "i didnt see it coming" punches.   

williams/sergio III is the only fight out there.  Their needs to be a rubber match and everybody would watch it imo.

[G_Thang]

this fight was actually good for boxing imo. Williams is by no means a scrub and he just got ko'd. Goes to show you when two high level guys get it on this can happen. Only take one slip up at this level and you go to sleep.

Floyd does this same thing to pacman from a wicked counter. Trust me. They just collecting pay checks right now. Much credit to paul and sergio for going head to head in their prime.

FMW is the counter puncher, would probably catch manny coming in like he did hatton.  

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williams/sergio III is the only fight out there.  Their needs to be a rubber match and everybody would watch it imo.

Nah ,Martinez wins again

[rudylrichards]

could see williams vs martinez III by end of next yr

I doubt it, can't see Williams beating him and i think he knows it at this point

[G_Thang]

I think they'll both beat Williams in a close 12rd decision.  They're both quick enough to take advantage of his length (punches takes longer to get there) and activity rate (easy to counterpunch).  FMW traditionally have an easier time against bigger fighters. They'd both have a very hard time with Martinez because of his speed and athlethicism   

fmw is possible since williams isnt a big knockout guy...but fmw will take cotto, clotty or a broke down marg.

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FMW is the counter puncher, would probably catch manny coming in like he did hatton.  

Nah ,Manny is not Hatton or Williams totally different style ,I have FMW by a close decision.

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FMW is the counter puncher, would probably catch manny coming in like he did hatton.  

Man floyd would counter manny to death, but I'm not going to spoil it for everybody on the "train"

from what I know about fighting.....it would be a compete disaster. Manny would get destroyed and those hating floyd would have no choice but to recognize his fighting skills. The guy is simply insane in there.

I used to spar with a guy at middle weight who mastered floyd style...all I can tell you is it is a freaking puzzle and you have 12 rounds to figure it out. Meanwhile you are losing rounds figuring it out.

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....it would be a compete disaster. Manny would get destroyed

I disagree

[G_Thang]

Nah ,Martinez wins again

agreed.  faster than williams and doesnt loop punches...just shoots everything down the pipe.

he tagged williams with the cleaner shots in the first fight too.  it wont change in III.  

williams will probably fight safer.

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Nah ,Martinez wins again

he got hit with a blind overhand(martinez wasn't even looking) ...I do those all the time the same way... occasionally they land...most of the time they don't.

it happens. I can easily see paul staying outside boxing a 12 rd UD staying discipline. There was a lot going on in their tonight imo. When you fight there are two fights you fight...vs yourself and vs your opponent. Paul was waaaaay to comfortable imo and got caught. I've been there.

[G_Thang]

Nah ,Manny is not Hatton or Williams totally different style ,I have FMW by a close decision.

i didnt necessarily say knockout but he will counter the hell out of manny.

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paul staying outside boxing a 12 rd UD staying discipline.

That's not Paul Williams.

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I disagree

This is why these guys need to get in on man. If they don't fight in 2011. man.

From what i'm hearing in the crowd. Pacman vs mosley is about done. They might bring in 2011 from what i'm hearing.

[rudylrichards]

FMW is the counter puncher, would probably catch manny coming in like he did hatton.  

Absofnlutely.  No way i see Manny beating Floyd, If Margarito had a little more speed Amnny would've bn in trouble.  tremendous heart on Marg btw, More figthers should hv his heart.  

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This is why these guys need to get in on man. If they don't fight in 2011. man.

From what i'm hearing in the crowd. Pacman vs mosley is about done. They might bring in 2011 from what i'm hearing.

I agree ,

Pacquiao vs Mosley = easy win for Pacquiao

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That's not Paul Williams.

neither was sugar vs duran I in Montreal. Rematch in New Orleans was 180 degree different sugar ray.

If you are a true student of the sport you can re invent yourself to get past ONE guy style. Look at Bowe vs Holyfield II ...evander got away from his typical brawler mentality and out boxed him on his toes..didn't fall into traps. It was a masterpiece. It can be done.  

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Mastered Floyds style? Whats thats supposed to mean? There is no way Floyd is going to fight Manny anytime soon. Mayweather is going to fight Miguel Cotto next year. After last Saturday and all of Mannys previous fights. Pacquiao is hurting people badly. Mayweather will get KO'd and will one day be in the same position Roy Jones Jr. is right now. A wash has been. And Timmy did loose HUGE$ last saturday because I didn't believe Manny could hold off Margeritos pressure. Manny is in a league of his own.

Man floyd is not wasting time with cotto. If anything expect a margarito vs cotto rematch under bob arum milking his fighters.

your other observations sound from hatred of floyd. I base my predictions on what i know, skills in that damn ring alone. Floyd has all the goods hate him or love him.

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neither was sugar vs duran I in Montreal. Rematch in New Orleans was 180 degree different sugar ray.

If you are a true student of the sport you can re invent yourself to get past ONE guy style. Look at Bowe vs Holyfield II ...evander got away from his typical brawler mentality and out boxed him on his toes..didn't fall into traps. It was a masterpiece. It can be done.  

Boxers can be brawlers ,brawlers can't be boxers.

[rudylrichards]

I agree ,

Pacquiao vs Mosley = easy win for Pacquiao

That's the route Manny's gone lately, i'm sure this will add to his greatest claim. Two fighter back to back that looked horrible in their previous fight

neither was sugar vs duran I in Montreal. Rematch in New Orleans was 180 degree different sugar ray.

If you are a true student of the sport you can re invent yourself to get past ONE guy style. Look at Bowe vs Holyfield II ...evander got away from his typical brawler mentality and out boxed him on his toes..didn't fall into traps. It was a masterpiece. It can be done.  

That wasn't the same Duran, he was way out of shape and couldn't chase Leonard for 12rds.

Your style is your style, after a certain point you can't reinvent yourself. I can think of so many times when a fighter changes trainers and the trainer tries to change his style only to have the fighter revert back to his former style once they get hit or get into trouble.
Holyfield actually had two styles, on the outside on his toes, like terry Norris or toe to toe, esp when he gest hit.  most fighters only have one. I cant think of another fighter who has two styles troughout a career

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Boxers can be brawlers ,brawlers can't be boxers.

see that is the thing che....I don't see him as a brawler actually. more a volume guy, rhythm guy.

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That's the route Manny's gone lately, i'm sure this will add to his greatest claim. Two fighter back to back that looked horrible in their previous fight
 That wasn't the same Duran, he was way out of shape and couldn't chase Leonard for 12rds.

Your style is your style, after a certain point you can't reinvent yourself. I can think of so many times when a fighter changes trainers and the trainer tries to change his style only to have the fighter revert back to his former style once they get hit or get into trouble.
Holyfield actually had two styles, on the outside on his toes, like terry Norris or toe to toe, esp when he gest hit.  most fighters only have one. I cant think of another fighter who has two styles troughout a career

it's a simple adjustment to get past ONE fighter ONE night.

[rudylrichards]

Mayweather will get KO'd and will one day be in the same position Roy Jones Jr. is right now. A wash has been. And Timmy did loose HUGE$ last saturday because I didn't believe Manny could hold off Margeritos pressure. Manny is in a league of his own.

Every fighter eventually ends up being a washed up has been, so will Manny.  Marg had 2 yrs off, that was a comeback fight for him. Not one expert gave Marg a chance. Manny didn't exactly challenged himself by taking that fight.

I hope u r wrong about fmw and Cotto.  no reason for that fight to happen, that'll even be worst than last wks fight