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Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« on: November 21, 2010, 07:03:33 PM »

Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE.

Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left (Couture).

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 07:47:48 PM »
When did Rampage destroy Machida?
Come get me.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 07:54:50 PM »
When did Rampage destroy Machida?

  He did yesterday.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2010, 07:55:55 PM »
If only a UFC board existed on getbig...

I think that's around the 8th time i've posted a similar comment to that by the way lol

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2010, 07:57:47 PM »
  He did yesterday.

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haha he didn't even hurt Machida. I like Rampage but lost that fight. Machida almost had him KO'd in the 3rd.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2010, 08:47:15 PM »
During it's peak Pride simply paid more money and treated fighters better. That's why a lot of guys that did well in the UFC went to Pride like Kerr, Wanderlie Silva, Coleman and others. I use to know Ricco Rodriguez when he was living in California and training at Machado Jiu-Jitsu at the same time I was. He said that in Japan he was like a big celeb. Everyone knew who he was. I didn't ask if he partook in the young Japanese poon that is so plentiful there. He was quite a player and partier and I'm sure some of those school girls in their plaid skirts and white socks pulled up to the knees had a taste of the massive Rican. 

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2010, 08:52:10 PM »
  He did yesterday.

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you're an idiot.

even jackson said he lost that fight.

fuck you're dumb.
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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2010, 09:15:06 PM »
you're an idiot.

even jackson said he lost that fight.

fuck you're dumb.

  A loss is a loss, turd. Machida lost. Deal with it. And cry me a river.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2010, 09:21:02 PM »
you're an idiot.

even jackson said he lost that fight.

fuck you're dumb.

I thought it was close but I had the win for Machida. It appears Rampage did as well. I don't think any on his team, and Dana White as well, appreciated the fact that Rampage said he got his ass kick and wants to give Machida a rematch. It makes the organization look bad when even the winner implied very strongly that he felt he lost. It also puts pressure on the UFC org to make it happen and they sure as hell don't like to be told what to do.

It's the general consensus that Rampage was declared the winner because he was more aggressive. The judged seem not to appreciate the kind of fighter that Machida is. He's a counter striker and one of his strengths is how elusive he is as he slips in and out of the pocket. He's not the type to just bull dog his way in. One of the biggest problems with the UFC, and Dana White has said it before, its the incompetent judging and their lack of knowledge when it comes to MMA.
 

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2010, 09:28:49 PM »
I thought it was close but I had the win for Machida. It appears Rampage did as well. I don't think any on his team, and Dana White as well, appreciated the fact that Rampage said he got his ass kick and wants to give Machida a rematch. It makes the organization look bad when even the winner implied very strongly that he felt he lost. It also puts pressure on the UFC org to make it happen and they sure as hell don't like to be told what to do.

It's the general consensus that Rampage was declared the winner because he was more aggressive. The judged seem not to appreciate the kind of fighter that Machida is. He's a counter striker and one of his strengths is how elusive he is as he slips in and out of the pocket. He's not the type to just bull dog his way in. One of the biggest problems with the UFC, and Dana White has said it before, its the incompetent judging and their lack of knowledge when it comes to MMA.
 

  It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 09:44:55 PM »
  It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.

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lol you act as if it's a hard pill to swallow, bro. No one's making a big deal either way. Rampage confides that it was a close, surprising call and he gave Machida a lot more respect. He EARNED a lot more respect for being an excellent sport. Garnered very much respect from myself for instance. Before the fight he was already down playing Machida's style and excusing his loss in advance. During the post-fight interview he said he respects Machida's fighting style a lot more, doesn't think it's entertaining (which it's not) but it certainly wins fights. Definitely gets the nod of approval and I'm glad he's not opposed to a rubber band match.

He really spoke well afterwards and I give him a lot of credit. There were a lot of unanswered questions. Never thought the two would have met in a non-title match though. Rua's win really shook things up. Can't wait to see the next few fights in that division. Finally some excitement. It was getting stale like the fucking HW division which finally has some savage fucking talent for once. But the WEC's amalgamation and the new divisions are going to make the tiny titted classes fucking full to the brim with talent. UFC is doing amazingly well. I'm still loving all the FEG promotions... K1, Dream and to a lesser extent the co promotions like SGR. The 2009 New Years event was arguably the best MMA event I ever witnessed. Every single fight was amazingly entertaining, and that's not the Japanese MMA fanboy in me being bias either. It's an exciting time for MMA again.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 09:48:56 PM »
  Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE. Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left(Couture).

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2010, 10:20:53 PM »
  It doesen't matter. The bottom line is that Machida lost. In MMA, fights that go to decisions are settled by judges, and they gave it to Rampage. Deal with it.

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Jeeze! Calm down, spine breaker. Machida lost and you never heard me complain. I get it and have no problems with it as it was very close. Not like when Machida was declared the winner the first time against Rua. I don't think it was an especially bad call. But it was not without controversy and that does matter. There has been bad calls in all sports and it does matter. If you get enough of them something is done. This case with Rampage was not egregious but everyone recognizes that judging is a problem in the UFC and as pressure builds changes will happen.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2010, 10:24:02 PM »
lol you act as if it's a hard pill to swallow, bro. No one's making a big deal either way. Rampage confides that it was a close, surprising call and he gave Machida a lot more respect. He EARNED a lot more respect for being an excellent sport. Garnered very much respect from myself for instance. Before the fight he was already down playing Machida's style and excusing his loss in advance. During the post-fight interview he said he respects Machida's fighting style a lot more, doesn't think it's entertaining (which it's not) but it certainly wins fights. Definitely gets the nod of approval and I'm glad he's not opposed to a rubber band match.

He really spoke well afterwards and I give him a lot of credit. There were a lot of unanswered questions. Never thought the two would have met in a non-title match though. Rua's win really shook things up. Can't wait to see the next few fights in that division. Finally some excitement. It was getting stale like the fucking HW division which finally has some savage fucking talent for once. But the WEC's amalgamation and the new divisions are going to make the tiny titted classes fucking full to the brim with talent. UFC is doing amazingly well. I'm still loving all the FEG promotions... K1, Dream and to a lesser extent the co promotions like SGR. The 2009 New Years event was arguably the best MMA event I ever witnessed. Every single fight was amazingly entertaining, and that's not the Japanese MMA fanboy in me being bias either. It's an exciting time for MMA again.

There are times when you show a burst of brilliance. Great post!

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2010, 11:43:05 PM »
During it's peak Pride simply paid more money and treated fighters better. That's why a lot of guys that did well in the UFC went to Pride like Kerr, Wanderlie Silva, Coleman and others. I use to know Ricco Rodriguez when he was living in California and training at Machado Jiu-Jitsu at the same time I was. He said that in Japan he was like a big celeb. Everyone knew who he was. I didn't ask if he partook in the young Japanese poon that is so plentiful there. He was quite a player and partier and I'm sure some of those school girls in their plaid skirts and white socks pulled up to the knees had a taste of the massive Rican. 


Words cannot describe how gay this sounds 8)

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 01:28:58 AM »

Words cannot describe how gay this sounds 8)

Don't care for Japanese school girls, eh? I understand. Props being able to find the gay in everything. 

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2010, 03:11:38 AM »
No, it just sounds like you had your white socks pulled up for a taste of the "massive rican".

A non gay man should never speak about another man with such brutally gay alliteration.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2010, 06:36:57 AM »
I just remember when UFC's best fighter and undefeated Royce Gracie went to Pride and lost.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2010, 06:43:27 AM »
Anderson Silva wasn't really a "PRIDE guy" per se

he had less than a handful of fights there (including that "work" against Ryo Chonan)

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2010, 06:44:36 AM »
You are kidding - Rampage beat Machida on Saturday night???  What were the judges thinking? Obviously, Machida is gaining strength and kicking some ass on Rampage in Round 3. Rampage was lucky.

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Rampage looked a beaten man as he awaited the official verdict (29-28, 29-28, 28-29) and his shock was clear for all to see when his hand was raised in victory. His aggression in the opening two rounds earned him a slender win over The Dragon, despite being comprehensively outclassed in the third period.

Jackson said: "I think my aggressiveness was the only thing that earned me a decision because Machida whooped my ass tonight.

"That fight was so close, it was unfair for Machida. Even though I don't want to, I have to give him a rematch."  Machida, as predicted, seemed content to dance his way around the Octagon and landed leg and body kicks at will.

Jackson charged those strikes in an attempt to land counter punches but few landed significantly. But Machida lost the fight in the clinch.  On quite a few occasions the fighters would tie up against the cage, Machida would work to over-under, turn Rampage against the fence and then do... nothing!

If he had tried his luck with knees or even foot stomps he could have turned one of those 28 scores to a 29 but he just seemed content to hold Rampage.  The third round was the only one with a clear winner as the Brazilian appeared to rock Jackson with strikes before taking him down, working to mount and attempting an arm bar.

But Rampage — who hasn't been submitted in almost a decade — worked his way on top and attempted to slam him.  Machida wisely chose to abandon the submission attempt rather than suffer a potentially concussive landing.

After the fight Rampage suggested an immediate rematch which in sporting terms makes sense — it was a razor thin decision — but from a fan perspective does not.  This bout, while having huge implications for the division, was hardly a barn burner saved by the last round's action, and UFC boss Dana White doesn't seem too keen on a rematch either.

I'm not sure that Rampage should face the winner of Mauricio Rua and Rashad Evans for the light heavyweight belt either.  That match is a long time coming and Jackson may want to capitalise on this win and the 're-invention' of his fighting style with another bout in the interim.

He still showed that he's susceptible to kicks and a Muay Thai supremo like Rua would have a field day chopping away at his legs over 25 minutes.  But overall it was a big improvement on his performances from recent times.  It's back to the drawing board for Machida though.

He could have beaten Jackson over five rounds but he failed to set up his game plan accordingly to end the bout in the required three.  Was he too cautious? Too timid? Too respectful? Only Machida knows but he certainly took too long to get going on Saturday.


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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2010, 06:47:49 AM »
I just remember when UFC's best fighter and undefeated Royce Gracie went to Pride and lost.

and crocop came to UFC and lost
And Wand came to ufc and lost etc etc.
and Fabricio Werdum came to ufc and lost

Pride was more fun though hehe.

And as mentioned. they paid better and got treated better at first so no wonder why they went to pride =) No one dislikes pride not dana or anyone so I dont understand what the thread is trying to prove lol.

And there are alot of new talent on the rising in the types of bones joens etc. Long limbs wrestling background is gonna be the standard to come

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2010, 06:50:13 AM »
Rampage destroys Machida.

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What a tosser, obvously u never watched the fight and just looked up the result somewhere then pretended to everyone youre a massive UFC fan ;D

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE.
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2010, 07:32:49 AM »
and crocop came to UFC and lost
And Wand came to ufc and lost etc etc.
and Fabricio Werdum came to ufc and lost

Pride was more fun though hehe.

And as mentioned. they paid better and got treated better at first so no wonder why they went to pride =) No one dislikes pride not dana or anyone so I dont understand what the thread is trying to prove lol.

And there are alot of new talent on the rising in the types of bones joens etc. Long limbs wrestling background is gonna be the standard to come

Yeah, but they were all past their primes...Royce wasn't.

Anyway I agree that Pride paid better and treated them better at first. I really liked Don Frye, he went to Pride and was great..I still remember his fight with that chinese guy.

I haeve nothing against UFC though, its great too, but I liked Pride better.

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2010, 08:08:09 AM »
You are kidding - Rampage beat Machida on Saturday night???  What were the judges thinking? Obviously, Machida is gaining strength and kicking some ass on Rampage in Round 3. Rampage was lucky.

Thanks Ron for clearing that up..

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Re: Most Of The UFC's Best Fighters Are From PRIDE
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2010, 08:10:37 AM »
Rampage destroys Machida. Well, this just confirms what I always knew: most of the UFC's best fighters are from PRIDE. Anderson Silva, Sogun and Rampage. If either Fedor or Overeem went to the UFC, the heavyweight champion would also be from PRIDE.

Today MMA is completely living of PRIDE's former glory. The day when the last PRIDE fighters retire, MMA will have nothing but a bunch of cans and old man left (Couture).

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I watched the fight and in my opinion no one destroyed the other one. to be honest I don't think it was a good fight. I suspect that both of the fighters have lost some of the edge.  :)