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Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« on: November 22, 2010, 07:24:34 PM »
Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
Posted by Michael S. Rozeff on November 21, 2010 06:15 PM
On 7/17/10, Pistole (TSA’s chief) said this:

“Given the list of threats on subways and rails over the last six years going on seven years, we know that some terrorist groups see rail and subways as being more vulnerable because there’s not the type of screening that you find in aviation. From my perspective, that is an equally important threat area.”

Influential members of Congress support this vision. “Members of Congress, including House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., have pressed the TSA to put more money into mass-transit security. Thompson met with Pistole on Thursday and said the two agreed.”

Pistole wants a larger, more powerful, and more intrusive bureaucracy: ”Pistole said he wants TSA workers, including 47,000 screeners at 450 airports, to operate as a ‘national-security, counterterrorism organization, fully integrated into U.S. government efforts. I want to take TSA to the next level,’ Pistole said.”

In this environment of deteriorating justice, the importance of trial by jury of one’s peers and jury nullification cannot be under-estimated.

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And what happens after they are groping and scanning everyone getting on trains, planes and subways?  The logic above is that the terrorists will look for the next transportation weakness...  I guess that means just getting into a car and going directly to your target.  I suspect it will be less than 10 years before these intrusive checkpoints are a constant of our daily lives everywhere we go, no matter how we get there.  When that happens, will we look at it like an orwellian police state or will we still be just happy to be safe?

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2010, 07:28:37 PM »
hugo what do u think is an alternative to these screenings in order to stop terrorists from hijacking/blowing up planes?
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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2010, 07:30:15 PM »
Fuck.  >:(

I wonder why  all this didn't get put in place after 911?  What's motivating everyone now to do this?

It's fucking stupid really.  Our airports have been wide open targets all this time.

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 07:32:08 PM »
It's fucking stupid really.  Our airports have been wide open targets all this time.

And yet nothing has happened since.

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 07:37:26 PM »
Did you people think Obama was joking during the campaign? 

Or did you people think Obama was just joking?


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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2010, 07:41:54 PM »
hugo what do u think is an alternative to these screenings in order to stop terrorists from hijacking/blowing up planes?
well, first it is highly unlikely any planes are going to be hijacked in America today.  Several very effective items have been put in place to prevent that from happening.  And security was already such that attempts to bring down a plane since 9/11 have been pathetic, didn't work or outright wouldn't have worked in some cases.  

But, considering that you will just never ever be able to stop terrorism and some will succeed no matter what the precautions, we should ask, is it better to live free or live under an Orwellian police state?  Under one the terrorists succeed in many ways even if their bomb fails.  Under the other, motivation is removed by a proud unstoppable nation of free people.

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2010, 07:45:09 PM »
Hugo - what do you think of my clip?

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2010, 07:48:08 PM »
Hugo - what do you think of my clip?
I've seen it many times, that was in Colorado Springs if I remember right.  Yea, at this point I would prefer Obama doesn't follow through with any of his bright ideas lol.. I just don't trust him whatsoever anymore.  He's without a doubt an enemy of America and the constitution along with whoever it is he's taking orders from.

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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2010, 07:49:40 PM »
well, first it is highly unlikely any planes are going to be hijacked in America today.  Several very effective items have been put in place to prevent that from happening.  And security was already such that attempts to bring down a plane since 9/11 have been pathetic, didn't work or outright wouldn't have worked in some cases.  

But, considering that you will just never ever be able to stop terrorism and some will succeed no matter what the precautions, we should ask, is it better to live free or live under an Orwellian police state?  Under one the terrorists succeed in many ways even if their bomb fails.  Under the other, motivation is removed by a proud unstoppable nation of free people.
cool thats an interesting alternative perspective, thanks for sharing. A balanced approach seems more appropriatte- be vigilant but not to the point that you're always in fear and making life miserable.
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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2010, 07:52:45 PM »
At this point - I prefer citizens being armed and we fend for ourselves

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2010, 07:57:01 PM »
At this point - I prefer citizens being armed and we fend for ourselves
Bad idea lol

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2010, 07:58:25 PM »
If you find yourself in a tight squeeze this travel season don't forget to thank the Religion of Peace.

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2010, 08:02:47 PM »
??? ??? ???
Yeah and all kinds of people are going to get killed for the stupidest reasons, arguements will escalate into gun fights.   Ever been to a NFL football game?  Imagine people in the heat of the moment carrying handguns at one of these games.


Don't be ridiculous.  ;D

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2010, 08:09:05 PM »
Yeah and all kinds of people are going to get killed for the stupidest reasons, arguements will escalate into gun fights.   Ever been to a NFL football game?  Imagine people in the heat of the moment carrying handguns at one of these games.


Don't be ridiculous.  ;D


The crowd at the jets game was very tame yesterday compared to the beasts in the mall fighting over bras, dresses, and deals on razers. 

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2010, 08:14:45 PM »
Evedentially you have never been to a Raider or Philly game.   :)

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2010, 06:17:07 AM »
Did you people think Obama was joking during the campaign? 





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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2010, 06:31:25 AM »
hugo what do u think is an alternative to these screenings in order to stop terrorists from hijacking/blowing up planes?

IMO, Airlines were as safe as they were ever going to be the year or two after 9/11.  The act of that day was fresh in everyone's mind, and they weren't happy about it.  If any terrorist would have tried to hijack a plane at that time, it would have been a pure waste of time for any purposeful objective. 
Can you imagine some fuckface standing up on an airline and yelling "Everyone sit down!  We're taking over as pilots!" 

Everyone would know what that meant....they're going to die....and so are a lot of other people if he takes controls. 
To make it to the pilot's seat, he would have had to make it past an entire plane of pissed off overweight americans.  He'd either be on the ground with some hillbilly squeezing the last breath from his neck, or he'd have to blow up the plane....not achieving his objective. 

I'm sure a few pussies would sit in their seats and hope that he just really wanted to practice landing big planes safely, but most people would know that if he took the pilots seat...they die....and many other people die. 

What's ridiculous is that the fucking Taliban was smart enough to see this.
Hell, any 12 year old kid knows that you don't vandalize someone's home with toilet paper and eggs and expect to come back the next day without the fucking homeowner's dog waiting in the front yard. 

What's even more ridiculous is that WE are the only one's stupid enough to be duped into this. 
A handful of idiots commit an act almost 10 years ago....and we're STILL punishing ourselves for it. 

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2010, 07:42:23 AM »
We should be practicing racial profiling, aka common sense.  As people are passing through the metal detector, have intelligently trained officers (nothing like current TSA agents) making conversation and zeroing in on potential suspects.  It's a waste of everyone's time and money to have an xray machine and enhanced random patdowns.  Focus on the problem and stop harrassing the flying public with this dog and pony show. 

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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2010, 07:59:25 AM »
Yeah and all kinds of people are going to get killed for the stupidest reasons, arguements will escalate into gun fights.   Ever been to a NFL football game?  Imagine people in the heat of the moment carrying handguns at one of these games.


Don't be ridiculous.  ;D

Huh? There are what 2 states that don't allow CCW? People that actually carry are not a bunch of loose cannons that will draw their weapon at the drop of a hat. Don't have statistics but I bet you are 100X more likely to be shot by someonw without a CCW and an illegal weapon than someone who plays by the rules.

I live in IL or I would be in line to get a CCW permit.

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2010, 05:23:22 AM »
Next step for body scanners could be trains, boats, metro
By Jordy Yager - 11/23/10 02:09 PM ET
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The next step in tightened security could be on U.S. public transportation, trains and boats.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says terrorists will continue to look for U.S. vulnerabilities, making tighter security standards necessary.

“[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through,” Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose."

“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”Napolitano’s comments, made a day before one of the nation’s busiest travel days, come in the wake of a public outcry over newly implemented airport screening measures that have been criticized for being too invasive.

The secretary has defended the new screening methods, which include advanced imaging systems and pat-downs, as necessary to stopping terrorists. During the interview with Rose, Napolitano said her agency is now looking into ways to make other popular means of travel safer for passengers and commuters.

Napolitano isn’t the only one who’s suggested that advanced scanning machines could be used in places beyond airports.

Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, introduced legislation this past September that would authorize testing of body scanners at some federal buildings.

Napolitano’s comments were in response to the question: “What will they [terrorists] be thinking in the future?” She gave no details about how soon the public could see changes in security or about what additional safety measures the DHS was entertaining.

The recently implemented airport screening methods have made John Pistole, who heads the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), the focus of growing public ire.

On Monday, Pistole said he understood peoples’ privacy concerns and that the TSA would consider modifying its screening policies to make them “as minimally invasive as possible,” but he indicated  the advanced-imaging body scans and pat-down methods would remain in place in the short term, including during the high-volume Thanksgiving period of travel.

Lawmakers from both parties have received hundreds of complaints about the new methods — some have likened the pat-downs to groping — and have called on Pistole to address the privacy concerns of their constituents, who were not informed about changes ahead of time.

Many lawmakers say the public should have been informed before the pat-downs and body-imaging techniques were put into practice. As a result, any move to implement new security screening measures for rail or water passengers is likely to be met with tough levels of scrutiny from lawmakers.

Pistole, who spent 26 years with the FBI, told reporters Monday that he rejected the advice of media aides who advised him to publicize the revised security measures before they took effect. Terrorist groups have been known to study the TSA’s screening methods in an attempt to circumvent them, he said.

Napolitano said she hoped the U.S. could get to a place in the future where Americans would not have to be as guarded against terrorist attacks as they are and that she was actively promoting research into the psychology of how a terrorist becomes radicalized.

“The long-term [question] is, how do we get out of this having to have an ever-increasing security apparatus because of terrorists and a terrorist attack?” she said. “I think having a better understanding of what causes someone to become a terrorist will be helpful."

DHS and intelligence officials are not as far along in understanding that process as they would like, Napolitano said, adding that until that goal is reached, steps need to be put in place to ensure the public’s safety.

“We don’t know much,” she said. “If you were to try and devise a template about what connects this terrorist to this terrorist and how they were raised and what schools they went to and their socioeconomic status, or this or that, it’s all over the map.

“I think there’s some important work that’s being done on that but … the Secretary of Homeland Security cannot wait for that.”

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2010, 08:18:37 AM »
Fuck.  >:(

I wonder why  all this didn't get put in place after 911?  What's motivating everyone now to do this?

It's fucking stupid really.  Our airports have been wide open targets all this time.

No it is not Ozzy, because you are FREE in america and can do whatever you want? Isn't that what you just told me?...or are you admitting that you live in a dictatorship like I said you all do?
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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2010, 08:39:21 AM »
No it is not Ozzy, because you are FREE in america and can do whatever you want? Isn't that what you just told me?...or are you admitting that you live in a dictatorship like I said you all do?

Are you saying that airport security defines a dictatorship?   ::)

Sammy, people aren't so stupid to fall for a dumb argument like that.  

I really think maybe i should start helping you a bit in your quest to convince Americans how terrible their country is.  You aren't doing a very good job of it.  90% or more of your points fall flat or are just plain dumb.

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2010, 08:56:12 AM »
I'm honestly ready to ban Samsonjag for being the biggest distraction on this forum. ::)

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Re: Pistole: Next Come Subways and Trains
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2010, 09:25:58 AM »
Huh? There are what 2 states that don't allow CCW? People that actually carry are not a bunch of loose cannons that will draw their weapon at the drop of a hat. Don't have statistics but I bet you are 100X more likely to be shot by someonw without a CCW and an illegal weapon than someone who plays by the rules.

I live in IL or I would be in line to get a CCW permit.

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I am not arguing that people who are licensed  and legally carry guns are a problem.  The process helps keep idiots from carrying them.