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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #75 on: November 24, 2010, 08:59:51 AM »
I'm guessing it's because it's a) exogenous and b) the amounts are much larger than what would naturally occur in the body.



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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2010, 10:25:25 AM »
I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it  so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?

Insulin period. Do some research about what insulin does to the body over time and why eating a "lower" carb diet devoid of sugar can increase your lifespan.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2010, 10:27:47 AM »
what do you think of my plan for my next show Disgusted?

from next week until about the 15 of january, I will run 2000-2500 of Omnadren with 4iu of HGH (just waiting to receive them)

then when I really start the prep, (I am about 10% bf right now), I drop the test and I start 100mg of anavar ed, 100mg of winstrol ed and 1g of EQ every week until the show in june  8)

if it too long to be on orals ?

I would do some bloodwork every 4 to 6 weeks if you plan on using these orals that long. Why are you using so much test then cutting it like that?

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2010, 11:48:49 AM »

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2010, 12:30:53 PM »
I would do some bloodwork every 4 to 6 weeks if you plan on using these orals that long. Why are you using so much test then cutting it like that?

Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.

for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #81 on: November 24, 2010, 12:55:21 PM »
Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.

for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.

never ever off testosterna completely ,,NEVER EVER,,you want it in even if it is low dose you want it in for thickness and the right swole to the muscle,,got to have it in even if it is only prop,, got to have it in

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #82 on: November 24, 2010, 02:25:13 PM »
never ever off testosterna completely ,,NEVER EVER,,you want it in even if it is low dose you want it in for thickness and the right swole to the muscle,,got to have it in even if it is only prop,, got to have it in

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alright I'll keep some shering testovis in  8)

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #83 on: November 24, 2010, 07:19:31 PM »
Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.

for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.

I don't blame you then. The contest stack sounds good. Good luck.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #84 on: November 24, 2010, 10:02:49 PM »
its going to take you a while to find out what your body responds best to.

disgusted is closest with his advise. some guys respond better to androgens (like testosterone) than others. some guys prefer less test and more compounds like winny or tren etc.

it'll take you years before you get to the point of knowing what compounds your body will respond best to. if someone tells me that everyone responds the same to all compounds they are clueless. so, eventually if you really want to get right down to it, and prefect what it is you need to take to get the results you want, you prolly will have to try to experiment a little.

and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that.  his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.

all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.

i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #85 on: November 24, 2010, 10:08:10 PM »
I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.


Hmmmm...

This is a very interesting idea.  ;)

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #86 on: November 24, 2010, 10:08:52 PM »
i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram

sorry i just realized you guys already fixed that ;)

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #87 on: November 24, 2010, 10:22:57 PM »

Hmmmm...

This is a very interesting idea.  ;)

that makes no sense. If insulin does ruin the pysique then what difference does it make when it is used? IF you build a base with AAS for 10 years then use slin and gh for a couple years you still may fuck up your physique same amount as starting it from day one. Just delaying the ineveitible.
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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #88 on: November 24, 2010, 10:48:23 PM »
Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #89 on: November 24, 2010, 11:31:18 PM »
all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,

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They were taking growth hormone obtained from human cadavers back in Arnolds day and put themselves at risk for catching Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease.  How did you not know this dude?

Transmission of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease

The defective protein can be transmitted by contaminated harvested human growth hormone (HGH) products, Immunoglobulins (IVIG), corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants (acquired or iatrogenic form: iCJD); it can be inherited (hereditary or familial form: fCJD); or it may appear for the first time in the patient (sporadic form: sCJD). In the hereditary form, a mutation occurs in the gene for PrP, PRNP. Ten to fifteen percent of CJD cases are inherited. (CDC)

The disease has also been shown to result from usage of HGH drawn from the pituitary glands of cadavers who died from Creutzfeldt–Jakob Disease,[12] though the known incidence of this cause is (as of April 2004) quite small. The risk of infection through cadaveric HGH usage in the US only ceased when the medication was withdrawn in 1985.

It is thought that humans can contract the disease by consuming material from animals infected with the bovine form of the disease. The only suspected cases to arise thus far have been vCJD, although there are fears — based on animal studies — that consuming beef or beef products containing prion particles can also cause the development of classic CJD. When BSE material infects humans the resulting disease is known as (new) variant CJD Disease (nvCJD).[10]

Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, found primarily among women and children of the Fore tribe in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, were 8 times more likely to contract the disease from infected tissue.

Prions, the infectious agent of CJD, may not be inactivated by means of routine surgical instrument sterilization procedures. The World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend that instrumentation used in such cases be immediately destroyed after use; secondary to destruction, it is recommended that heat and chemical decontamination be used in combination to process instruments that come in contact with high-infectivity tissues. No cases of iatrogenic transmission of CJD have been reported subsequent to the adoption of current sterilization procedures, or since 1976.[13][14][15] Copper–hydrogen peroxide has been suggested as an alternative to the current recommendation of sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite.[16] Thermal depolymerization also destroys prions in infected organic and inorganic matter, since the process dissolves protein at the molecular level.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #90 on: November 25, 2010, 12:50:38 AM »
im not aware of use of growth hormone on americano land before 1984,,in ussr and europe they expriemented with it in late 70s ,and through the 80s,,the cadavars im aware of were around in the 80s ,,70s was more of a do your own thing and fail kinda deal,,just not enough consistancy until  the 80s

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #91 on: November 25, 2010, 04:33:00 AM »
that makes no sense. If insulin does ruin the pysique then what difference does it make when it is used? IF you build a base with AAS for 10 years then use slin and gh for a couple years you still may fuck up your physique same amount as starting it from day one. Just delaying the ineveitible.

to me it makes alot of sense if you think about it . not all drug use is equal and I don't think insulin will necessarily ruin your physique overnight and there is also the question of how and how much of it is used.

of course it may/will still mess you up at some point. but someone (Mr A) who has maxed out their natural and AAS gains before they start using insulin will  be in a different position compared to the guy (Mr B) who starts using all kinds of stuff at a much earlier stage in his development.  because...

a)

Mr B may ruin his physique at a much earlier age than Mr A and his (Mr B) physique may already be messed up when he should be at his potential peak years...while Mr A is adding insulin to a solid foundation and time his insulin use much better with his potential peak years. so delaying the insulin use can have a big impact in this way.

b) adding things in stages (see gh15 post) may lead to a higher peak vs someone who starts using too much and too many things at a relatively earlier stage.


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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #92 on: November 25, 2010, 06:31:29 AM »
i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram

yeah we straightened that out a few posts above. thanks. :)
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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #93 on: November 25, 2010, 07:12:25 AM »
to me it makes alot of sense if you think about it . not all drug use is equal and I don't think insulin will necessarily ruin your physique overnight and there is also the question of how and how much of it is used.

of course it may/will still mess you up at some point. but someone (Mr A) who has maxed out their natural and AAS gains before they start using insulin will  be in a different position compared to the guy (Mr B) who starts using all kinds of stuff at a much earlier stage in his development.  because...

a)

Mr B may ruin his physique at a much earlier age than Mr A and his (Mr B) physique may already be messed up when he should be at his potential peak years...while Mr A is adding insulin to a solid foundation and time his insulin use much better with his potential peak years. so delaying the insulin use can have a big impact in this way.

b) adding things in stages (see gh15 post) may lead to a higher peak vs someone who starts using too much and too many things at a relatively earlier stage.



I disagree. Right now in the bodyuilding world the only thingthat can change your genetics somewhat,accordin to gh15 and other gurus, is HGH because it wlll give you new muscle cells. Now if you start usng gh nostop from the very start you are ging to have alot more muscle cells than someone who has been using AAS only.

the more muscle cells you have the more dramatic you will respond to steroids. Gh15 said before that those wth te best phsiques on AAS alone hve high levels of GH in the body anyways.

As far as insulin lets not forget that some great physiques abused the shit out of insulin...kevin levrone abused it like no other. Dennis Newman used it as well. God they had such an ugly physique. ::)

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #94 on: November 25, 2010, 08:13:01 AM »
I disagree. Right now in the bodyuilding world the only thingthat can change your genetics somewhat,accordin to gh15 and other gurus, is HGH because it wlll give you new muscle cells. Now if you start usng gh nostop from the very start you are ging to have alot more muscle cells than someone who has been using AAS only.

the more muscle cells you have the more dramatic you will respond to steroids. Gh15 said before that those wth te best phsiques on AAS alone hve high levels of GH in the body anyways.

As far as insulin lets not forget that some great physiques abused the shit out of insulin...kevin levrone abused it like no other. Dennis Newman used it as well. God they had such an ugly physique. ::)



ok, we will have to agree to disagree. that being said, I'm not an expert and I'm just speculating.

but didn't both newman and kevin atleast build a foundation without insulin?

and are we sure that those guys used insulin in the same way as today?

and I don't believe gh15 has said you should start with gh straight away..he said it's best to build a foundation by natural training and then adding aas and add mass that way first. after that add gh....and then add in insulin.

I don't think going on AAS+gh+insulin very early gives better gains than doing it in stages. not based on the comments made by much more knowledgeable people than me.

look at nasser..didn't he start with insulin in 95 at the age of 30 or so..he blew up 30lbs in a year and completely transformed his physique. nasser was born in like 65 so he had built a foundation without insulin. today lots of guys start using gh and insulin at 20...it's not surprising their physiques start falling apart at a much earlier age just because they end up using insulin for longer periods of time. so they end up peaking almost before they get their pro cars and never reach the peak they could have if they had more patience and had done things in stages.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #95 on: November 25, 2010, 11:47:14 AM »
ok, we will have to agree to disagree. that being said, I'm not an expert and I'm just speculating.

but didn't both newman and kevin atleast build a foundation without insulin?
well dennis newman started gear at 19 and retired at around 24 i believe and competed at 249 at 5 foot 10 at the ge of 23. I am sure there as a little insulin involved ;)
Levrone and foundation should not be used in the same sentence he was all drugs and response to drugs and had the best hookups in the world from what I heard.
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and are we sure that those guys used insulin in the same way as today?
Kevin abused insulin so badly that he is a diabetic which is really hard to do. Kevin worked with Dave Palumbo who was pretty generous with his humalin advice. :D Dennis admited to using it for years in an interview.and I don't believe gh15 has said you should start with gh straight away..he said it's best to build a foundation by natural training and then adding aas and add mass that way first. after that add gh....and then add in insulin.
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I don't think going on AAS+gh+insulin very early gives better gains than doing it in stages. not based on the comments made by much more knowledgeable people than me.

look at nasser..didn't he start with insulin in 95 at the age of 30 or so..he blew up 30lbs in a year and completely transformed his physique. nasser was born in like 65 so he had built a foundation without insulin. today lots of guys start using gh and insulin at 20...it's not surprising their physiques start falling apart at a much earlier age just because they end up using insulin for longer periods of time. so they end up peaking almost before they get their pro cars and never reach the peak they could have if they had more patience and had done things in stages.
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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #96 on: November 25, 2010, 03:36:39 PM »


how do you know kevin is diabetic now? never heard that before.
I dont believe that he abused insulin that much simply because he never had a bloated guts! but still we dont know the direct cause of it 100% yet... But imo kevin was using moderate dose of either between GH or insulin.. to still have a waist like that after all these years.

Also being off of almost everything and shrink back to 200lbs off season for 5-6months a year probably did good for him. Nowadays he look fucking 25 years old and doesnt even look like he abused aas and other crazy shits, not in the bad way as hes small etc.. but he look really healthy with still full muscle belly not like that scammer, retard dave palumbo

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #97 on: November 25, 2010, 03:39:06 PM »
how do you know kevin is diabetic now? never heard that before.
I dont believe that he abused insulin that much simply because he never had a bloated guts! but still we dont know the direct cause of it 100% yet... But imo kevin was using moderate dose of either between GH or insulin.. to still have a waist like that after all these years.

Also being off of almost everything and shrink back to 200lbs off season for 5-6months a year probably did good for him. Nowadays he look fucking 25 years old and doesnt even look like he abused aas and other crazy shits, not in the bad way as hes small etc.. but he look really healthy with still full muscle belly not like that scammer, retard dave palumbo

just google it kevin levrone diabeic and you will see what I mean. It could be a rumor who knows. But it is pretty well known that Kevin responded very well to insulin. I think the fact that Kevin never went overboard with the calories is one of the reasons for the small waiste.
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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2010, 03:44:50 PM »
Serge said he never weighed over 210lbs @ 6ft tall onstage in his life. He said this on the ironage message boards.
 
He was just freaky taking that into consideration.

Serge clearly said he was in the 230's 2 weeks out form the 1975 Mr. Olympia.. when Weider freaked out and banned him from it because he would have won.

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Re: 80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)
« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2010, 03:49:28 PM »
just google it kevin levrone diabeic and you will see what I mean. It could be a rumor who knows. But it is pretty well known that Kevin responded very well to insulin. I think the fact that Kevin never went overboard with the calories is one of the reasons for the small waiste.

dude are you kidding me, dont believe what some retards from bbing.com says