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WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« on: November 24, 2010, 07:36:32 AM »
November 24, 2010
A Childish Tantrum
By Ruth Marcus
www.washingtonpost.com


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WASHINGTON -- My family, as it happens, is taking the bus to Grandma's this Thanksgiving. But our choice of transportation has nothing to do with anxiety about leering security screeners or fear of pat-downs.

The uproar over the new procedures is overblown and immature. The marginal invasion of privacy is small relative to the potential benefit of averting a terrorist attack. Meanwhile, some of the loudest howls of outrage emanate from those who would be quickest to blame the Obama administration for not doing enough to protect us if a bomber did slip through.

Granted, the images from the souped-up screeners are uncomfortably graphic. But where is the harm if some guy in another room, who doesn't have a clue who I am and doesn't see my face (it's obscured on the machine), gets a look at my flabby middle-aged self? The images are automatically deleted once the screening is competed. It's the old philosophical riddle: If your butt sags in the forest ...

By contrast, the pat-down is actually intrusive, no question about it. But you most likely won't have to endure it unless you balk at the enhanced imaging. If you do, the pat-down will be conducted by a screener of the same gender. If you want, it can be done in a private area.

"Don't touch my junk" may be the cri de coeur -- cri de crotch? -- of the post-9/11 world, but it's an awfully childish one. We let people touch our junk all the time in medical settings. Yes, the technician who performs my mammogram has more professional training than your average TSA agent, but she is also a lot more up close and personal than a quick once-over with a gloved hand. I undergo the mammogram for my personal benefit; I don't know if there is a suspicious mass, whereas I know there are no explosives sewn into my underwear. I undergo the pat-down, if I must, for the greater public benefit. It is an unfortunate part of the modern social contract.

Of course, aspects of the screening culture are comically idiotic. When my 13-year-old daughter and I went through a checkpoint a few weeks ago, she was told to take off her hoodie; I waltzed through with my cardigan on. Absurd, certainly, but hardly a big deal. It may be silly to make grandma take off her shoes, but it is hardly a huge imposition.

And there will, no doubt, be circumstances where screeners go too far and will have to be reined in. The breast cancer survivor asked to show her prosthesis; the bladder cancer survivor whose bag full of urine burst -- these are unacceptable. Effective screening does not require a complete suspension of common sense.

My defense of the new procedures assumes that there is some rational basis for the screening madness: that the techniques work and that there is not a less intrusive alternative.

On the first, whether this is real security or security theater is to some extent unknowable; the plot deterred cannot be measured. We do know that, without the enhanced imaging, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab got on a plane with enough explosives to blow it up.

The new screening might not catch every would-be bomber -- is the next, resourceful step hiding explosives in body cavities? -- but that does not mean it is not useful in the interim. And, no, the decision to engage in exterior pat-downs does not presage interior cavity searches. The slope is not so slippery.

Let's also leave aside any questions of constitutionality or fundamental fairness about terrorist profiling and simply consider whether it could be done effectively. The Israeli approach is an alluring mirage that would not withstand transplantation. Israel has two airports and 50 flights a day. It conducts intrusive background checks and questions passengers extensively. The process can take hours.

Profiling based on assumptions -- that innocent-looking grannies or blond, blue-eyed teens pose no threat -- seems guaranteed to produce disaster as terrorists exploit these pre-conceptions. At which point, the fingers will be pointed at government officials who were not intrusive enough.

The stepped-up screening has generated a fascinating fusion of left-right outrage. Bloggers at the liberal Firedoglake inveigh against "gate rape" and "porno scanners." Rush Limbaugh denounces "Obama-led government agents ... acting like perverts" and advises, "Keep your hands off my tea bag, Mr. President."

The polls suggest that the American people, a large segment anyway, have a more sensible attitude. For that, at least, we can give thanks.

Copyright 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 07:39:31 AM »
link to the actual story please, thanks.

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 07:42:20 AM »
nevermind, found it.... i see they don't have the balls to have a public comment section.  My point still stands, which you guys didn't want to talk about so there was no point to the thread.


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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 07:42:32 AM »
Guess what, no security was breached on 9/11, so why 9 years later all this?

And the usual left wing tactic of label anyone who disagrees with the government violating your constitutional rights.



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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 07:47:15 AM »
Guess what, no security was breached on 9/11, so why 9 years later all this?

And the usual left wing tactic of label anyone who disagrees with the government violating your constitutional rights.




it's true, probably the only support you will find with this shit is from the hardcore Obama supporters.

On your question, why this years later?  good fucking question.  I would also like an answer to that.  No planes are going to be hijacked.  No flight is going to open their cockpit doors on demand and if some assclown jumps up ready in a fit of glory, it's a race to who fucks him up faster, the passengers or the Air Marshall on board.  So that's a really good question.

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 07:52:36 AM »
Hugo  - what's next? 

Let say someone gets through despite all this shit - say with something in a carry on - embedded in the soul of a boot or something?

What are they going to do after that?

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 08:01:12 AM »
Someone can and  will get through.  Remember the MIT study done a few years back?

I routinely bring liquids through.   Usually by accident in my carry ons.  About 1 in 5 times they catch it.

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 08:02:52 AM »
Someone can and  will get through.  Remember the MIT study done a few years back?

Of course-  but if someone does get through and takes down a plane - what are they going to conjure up after this? 

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 08:07:16 AM »
Of course-  but if someone does get through and takes down a plane - what are they going to conjure up after this? 
Cavity searches followed by victim of sex offenses counseling.


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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 08:16:59 AM »

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2010, 09:04:24 AM »
Hugo  - what's next? 

Let say someone gets through despite all this shit - say with something in a carry on - embedded in the soul of a boot or something?

What are they going to do after that?
dude, you're thinking to light, we've already done that.

We know there have been several female suicide bombers oversees.  Those of you who are not virgins know that you can fit quite a bit up a woman's.......  What happens the first time one sneaks a block of plastic up her.... and brings down a airplane?

Inspecting every twat thereafter? ::)

seriously, it would be so simple, it would get passed the detection they have...  So now what?

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2010, 06:38:16 PM »
Hugo - check this out.  They are all running cover for this. 

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/11/my-tsa-anti-rant


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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2010, 06:51:36 PM »
 HAHA. I'm flying next month and I am seriously considering going through customs in some bikini briefs and that's it. Maybe pull a Ronnie Coleman and pull it up my asscrack for extra LOL's.

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Re: WAPO: People concerned over TSA tactics are "Immature"
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2010, 06:59:59 PM »
HAHA. I'm flying next month and I am seriously considering going through customs in some bikini briefs and that's it. Maybe pull a Ronnie Coleman and pull it up my asscrack for extra LOL's.