Tom Brady = Best QB EVER.....Yes even better than Manning...

[ThaRealist]

Look at Matt Cassel's records in Atlanta...8-2...He's a good QB.

Hey Wiggs you realize Matt Cassel has never played for Atlanta right?

[Wiggs]

Hey Wiggs you realize Matt Cassel has never played for Atlanta right?

lol...meant Chiefs

Cassel not Ryan slightly different record but still good

[ThaRealist]

lol...meant Chiefs

Cassel not Ryan

Yeah, his QB ability has nothing to do with them being ranked number one in rushing Wiggs lol...They happen to be ranked 26th in passing....

[20inch calves]

Brady is clearly better than Manning, and has been for a while.
But he's not better than Montana.

look at the stats. manning is better

[Wiggs]

look at the stats. manning is better

Look at the super bowl rings and playoff record, Brady is better

[20inch calves]

Ok Mr. Realist why don't you pull up some stats that are of significance, i.e. Playoff record...and Superbowl wins...

i knew that was coming. you didn;t say who has the most playoff and superbowl wins..you said who is better. manning is better because his stats are better

[ThaRealist]

Look at the super bowl rings and playoff record, Brady is better

Look at the Pats team as a whole...The Pats have had the better team all the way around...If the Colts had the Pats defense everyones stories would change

[Wiggs]

Yeah, his QB ability has nothing to do with them being ranked number one in rushing Wiggs lol...They happen to be ranked 26th in passing....

Look at his stats though last week...18 TDs 4 ints 2094 yds and 96.4 passer rating...he's a good QB...not Brady level but good and of course having Bellichec is going to help that like others having great Coaches....Although Bill is best football coach ever....

[Hulkotron]

Wow....that's alot o' hate you have stored up...And when it's all said and done and Brady has 4-6 rings you can continue to cry about it...

Four maybe but six is a little generous.  Brady is great but he's 33 and has a reconstructed knee.  I don't think he's winning three more Super Bowls.

[20inch calves]

the TEAM the brady plays for is better..they have the superbowl wins. but mannings stats are better..WELL go ahead and delete you post because you are wrong

[Wiggs]

i knew that was coming. you didn;t say who has the most playoff and superbowl wins..you said who is better. manning is better because his stats are better

These are stats my friend and the most important stats as that is the point of the game...to win superbowls and QB is most important position and affects wins and losses more than any other position...

[20inch calves]

Four maybe but six a little generous.  Brady is great but he's 33 and has a reconstructed knee.  I don't think he's winning three more Super Bowls.

exactly..meanwhile manning will keep adding to his totals even after brady is forced into retirement

[ThaRealist]

Look at his stats though last week...18 TDs 4 ints 2094 yds and 96.4 passer rating...he's a good QB...not Brady level but good and of course having Bellichec is going to help that like others having great Coaches....Although Bill is best football coach ever....

Hey not going to argue about Bellichec being a great coach that is true...But Cassel is no star QB and he will be lucky to finish the season with 9 wins....Those wins will come on the back of his running game, not his QB ability

[ThaRealist]

These are stats my friend and the most important stats as that is the point of the game...to win superbowls and QB is most important position and affects wins and losses more than any other position...

Yet the Pats almost took a not so talented QB to the playoffs and 11 wins

[Doug_Steele]

Hey not going to argue about Bellichec being a great coach that is true...But Cassel is no star QB and he will be lucky to finish the season with 9 wins....Those wins will come on the back of his running game, not his QB ability

Kansas City also has the Pats old Offensive Coordinator in Carlie "Jabba the Hutt" Weiss and Defensive Coordinator Romeo Cronel.  Weiss and Cronell were there for the three titles and since they are in K.C., they will win multiple Super Bowl titles with your thinking. 

[Wiggs]

the TEAM the brady plays for is better..they have the superbowl wins. but mannings stats are better..WELL go ahead and delete you post because you are wrong

Really? Care to expand on your statement?  Name some key players on the Pats Offense throughout the years...Pro Bowl level....Brady, Moss, Welker, Manning, Adai, Clarke, Wayne, Harrison, Edgrin James..

Brady has NEVER had a great RB...Kevin Faulk, and an old Corey Dillon...Manning had Marshal Faulk, Edgerin James and Joseph Adai...
...The only advantage Pats ever had on better players is the Defense...Pats are a better team because Bill demands more of his players than any other team...Brady has a killer instinct and can remain calm and composed under pressure...Manning has proven time and again when it comes to playing under pressure, he chokes, consistently...As Matt C says...Stats don't lie...

Bill takes regular people and makes them Superstars and takes Superstars and makes them legends...

[The_Hammer]

The experts from the NFL Network and ESPN both have Montana #1.

[ThaRealist]

Kansas City also has the Pats old Offensive Coordinator in Carlie "Jabba the Hutt" Weiss and Defensive Coordinator Romeo Cronel.  Weiss and Cronell were there for the three titles and since they are in K.C., they will win multiple Super Bowl titles with your thinking. 

Doug, that is idiotic...How about this...Brady would be a good QB no matter where you put him, but he wouldn't have the same success in another program...

[Wiggs]

The experts from the NFL Network and ESPN both have Montana #1.

for now...

[ThaRealist]

Really? Care to expand on your statement?  Name some key players on the Pats Offense throughout the years...Pro Bowl level....Brady, Moss, Welker, Manning, Adai, Clarke, Wayne, Harrison, Edgrin James..

Brady has NEVER had a great RB...Kevin Faulk, and an old Corey Dillon...Manning had Marshal Faulk, Edgerin James and Joseph Adai...
...The only advantage Pats ever had on better players is the Defense...Pats are a better team because Bill demands more of his players than any other team...Brady has a killer instinct and can remain calm and composed under pressure...Manning has proven time and again when it comes to playing under pressure, he chokes, consistently...As Matt C says...Stats don't lie...

Bill takes regular people and makes them Superstars and takes Superstars and makes them legends...

Your right Wiggs stats don't lie do they....Put Brady on another team there is no way he would have had the success he has had...Brady contributed big time to the Pats success, but he didn't make that team what it is Bill Bellichec did...Manning came into a not to good Colts program with not the best of coaching and made it a better program...Like I said before I am a fan of Brady cause he is a Michigan alum, but he hasn't made the Pats program what it is

[Wiggs]

Doug, that is idiotic...How about this...Brady would be a good QB no matter where you put him, but he wouldn't have the same success in another program...

Neither would manning...he can amass personal stats but bottom line is Brady came in off the bench and led his team to a Superbowl the first year he started...
Manning had Dungy and only got 1 ring...he'll get no more rings...He's a good QB for regular season...Brady is the best playoff QB...

[ThaRealist]

Neither would manning...he can amass personal stats but bottom line is Brady came in off the bench and led his team to a Superbowl the first year he started...
Manning had Dungy and only got 1 ring...he'll get no more rings...He's a good QB for regular season...Brady is the best playoff QB...

Dungy is a good coach, but no where near the talent that Bill is...Manning could have been in many programs and still have great stats, the guy is the best on the field coach there is...If Manning doesn't go into coaching after he retires he would be doing the NFL a great injustice

[Wiggs]

Dungy is great...look what he did for tampa before that job got jacked...No one is on Bellichec's level but it isn't just the Coach...

[ThaRealist]

Dungy is great...look what he did for tampa before that job got jacked...No one is on Bellichec's level but it isn't just the Coach...

Have you ever noticed, that when the Pats come out in the second half of most of their games they start dominating teams??? Why do you think that is?? Brady isn't necessarily playing better....Its due to Bellichec having time to sit down and talk to his team and you can see the superior coaching come out

[Wiggs]

Have you ever noticed, that when the Pats come out in the second half of most of their games they start dominating teams??? Why do you think that is?? Brady isn't necessarily playing better....Its due to Bellichec having time to sit down and talk to his team and you can see the superior coaching come out

Correct, but your trivializing Brady's talents...You couldn't put any ol' joe in his position and get the same results...

I always like to do this...Switch teams with Brady and Manning now what do you think the outcome would be?...Some people believe Manning would have 5-6 Superbowls...I don't think Manning and Bill could work together...

Brady on a team with  Dungy and the talent they had would def win superbowls...I guess it's the would have, could have...

If there were two min remaining in a game and the QB is on his own 20...I'd rather have Brady than Manning...any day...Manning is always good for that pick...