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The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« on: November 26, 2010, 12:23:19 PM »
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/delong108/English

BERKELEY – One disturbing thing about studying economic history is how things that happen in the present change the past – or at least our understanding of the past. For decades, I have confidently taught my students about the rise of governments that take on responsibility for the state of the economy. But the political reaction to the Great Recession has changed the way we should think about this issue.

Governments before World War I – and even more so before WWII – did not embrace the mission of minimizing unemployment during economic downturns. There were three reasons, all of which vanished by the end of WWII.

First, there was a hard-money lobby: a substantial number of rich, socially influential, and politically powerful people whose investments were overwhelmingly in bonds. They had little personally at stake in high capacity utilization and low unemployment, but a great deal at stake in stable prices. They wanted hard money above everything.

Second, the working classes that were hardest-hit by high unemployment generally did not have the vote. Where they did, they and their representatives had no good way to think about how they could benefit from stimulative government policies to moderate economic downturns, and no way to reach the levers of power in any event.

Third, knowledge about the economy was in its adolescence. Knowledge of how different government policies could affect the overall level of spending was closely held. With the exception of the United States’ free-silver movement, it was not the subject of general political and public intellectual discussion.

All three of these factors vanished between the world wars. At least, that is what I said when I lectured on economic history back in 2007. Today, we have next to no hard-money lobby, almost all investors have substantially diversified portfolios, and nearly everybody suffers mightily when unemployment is high and capacity utilization and spending are low.

Economists today know a great deal more – albeit not as much as we would like – about how monetary, banking, and fiscal policies affect the flow of nominal spending, and their findings are the topic of a great deal of open and deep political and public intellectual discussion. And the working classes all have the vote.

Thus, I would confidently lecture only three short years ago that the days when governments could stand back and let the business cycle wreak havoc were over in the rich world. No such government today, I said, could or would tolerate any prolonged period in which the unemployment rate was kissing 10% and inflation was quiescent without doing something major about it.

I was wrong. That is precisely what is happening.

How did we get here? How can the US have a large political movement – the Tea Party – pushing for the hardest of hard-money policies when there is no hard-money lobby with its wealth on the line? How is it that the unemployed, and those who fear they might be the next wave of unemployed, do not register to vote? Why are politicians not terrified of their displeasure?

Economic questions abound, too. Why are the principles of nominal income determination, which I thought largely settled since 1829, now being questioned? Why is the idea, common to John Maynard Keynes, Milton Friedman, Knut Wicksell, Irving Fisher, and Walter Bagehot alike, that governments must intervene strategically in financial markets to stabilize economy-wide spending now a contested one?

It is now clear that the right-wing opponents to the Obama administration’s policies are not objecting to the use of fiscal measures to stabilize nominal spending. They are, instead, objecting to the very idea that government should try to serve a stabilizing macroeconomic role.

Today, the flow of economy-wide spending is low. Thus, US Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is moving to have the Fed boost that flow by changing the mix of privately held assets as it buys government bonds that pay interest in exchange for cash that does not.

That is entirely standard. The only slight difference is that the Fed is buying seven-year Treasury notes rather than three-month Treasury bills. It has no choice: the seven-year notes are the shortest-duration Treasury bonds that now pay interest. The Fed cannot reduce short-term interest rates below zero, so it is attempting via this policy of “quantitative easing” to reduce longer-term interest rates.

Yet America’s right wing objects to this, for reasons that largely remain mysterious: what, at the level of economic theory, is the objection to quantitative easing? Blather about Federal Reserve currency manipulation and excessive risk-taking is not worthy of an answer.

Still, here we are. The working classes can vote, economists understand and publicly discuss nominal income determination, and no influential group stands to benefit from a deeper and more prolonged depression. But the monetarist-Keynesian post-WWII near-consensus, which played such a huge part in making the 60 years from 1945-2005 the most successful period for the global economy ever, may unravel nonetheless.

J. Bradford DeLong, a former US Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, is Professor of Economics at the University of California at Berkeley and a Research Associate at the National Bureau for Economic Research.
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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 12:48:04 PM »

QE2 = theft plain and simple. 

Sorry - KC - I dont condon theft or stealing by disgusting traitors in govt whose policies have failed mserably like bernake, obama, etc. 

 

 


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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 12:54:06 PM »
QE2 = theft plain and simple. 

Sorry - KC - I dont condon theft or stealing by disgusting traitors in govt whose policies have failed mserably like bernake, obama, etc. 

 

 



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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2010, 12:59:03 PM »
::)  I think i'll listen to a U-Cal professor over a getbig lawyer

And people lke Schiff and Ron Paul, who have been correct for decades, the rest of the world, and anyone with a freaking clue says QE2 is sheer madness get no cred with you  Please. 

Face it - this keynsian garbage has failed miserably and the entire world has rejected it. 

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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2010, 01:00:25 PM »
The Instability of Moderation

Brad DeLong writes of how our perception of history has changed in the wake of the Great Recession. We used to pity our grandfathers, who lacked both the knowledge and the compassion to fight the Great Depression effectively; now we see ourselves repeating all the old mistakes. I share his sentiments.

But watching the failure of policy over the past three years, I find myself believing, more and more, that this failure has deep roots – that we were in some sense doomed to go through this. Specifically, I now suspect that the kind of moderate economic policy regime Brad and I both support – a regime that by and large lets markets work, but in which the government is ready both to rein in excesses and fight slumps – is inherently unstable. It’s something that can last for a generation or so, but not much longer.

By “unstable” I don’t just mean Minsky-type financial instability, although that’s part of it. Equally crucial are the regime’s intellectual and political instability.

Intellectual instability

The brand of economics I use in my daily work – the brand that I still consider by far the most reasonable approach out there – was largely established by Paul Samuelson back in 1948, when he published the first edition of his classic textbook. It’s an approach that combines the grand tradition of microeconomics, with its emphasis on how the invisible hand leads to generally desirable outcomes, with Keynesian macroeconomics, which emphasizes the way the economy can develop magneto trouble, requiring policy intervention. In the Samuelsonian synthesis, one must count on the government to ensure more or less full employment; only once that can be taken as given do the usual virtues of free markets come to the fore.

It’s a deeply reasonable approach – but it’s also intellectually unstable. For it requires some strategic inconsistency in how you think about the economy. When you’re doing micro, you assume rational individuals and rapidly clearing markets; when you’re doing macro, frictions and ad hoc behavioral assumptions are essential.

So what? Inconsistency in the pursuit of useful guidance is no vice. The map is not the territory, and it’s OK to use different kinds of maps depending on what you’re trying to accomplish: if you’re driving, a road map suffices, if you’re going hiking, you really need a topo.

But economists were bound to push at the dividing line between micro and macro – which in practice has meant trying to make macro more like micro, basing more and more of it on optimization and market-clearing. And if the attempts to provide “microfoundations” fell short? Well, given human propensities, plus the law of diminishing disciples, it was probably inevitable that a substantial part of the economics profession would simply assume away the realities of the business cycle, because they didn’t fit the models.

The result was what I’ve called the Dark Age of macroeconomics, in which large numbers of economists literally knew nothing of the hard-won insights of the 30s and 40s – and, of course, went into spasms of rage when their ignorance was pointed out.

Political instability

It’s possible to be both a conservative and a Keynesian; after all, Keynes himself described his work as “moderately conservative in its implications.” But in practice, conservatives have always tended to view the assertion that government has any useful role in the economy as the thin edge of a socialist wedge. When William Buckley wrote God and Man at Yale, one of his key complaints was that the Yale faculty taught – horrors! – Keynesian economics.

I’ve always considered monetarism to be, in effect, an attempt to assuage conservative political prejudices without denying macroeconomic realities. What Friedman was saying was, in effect, yes, we need policy to stabilize the economy – but we can make that policy technical and largely mechanical, we can cordon it off from everything else. Just tell the central bank to stabilize M2, and aside from that, let freedom ring!

When monetarism failed – fighting words, but you know, it really did — it was replaced by the cult of the independent central bank. Put a bunch of bankerly men in charge of the monetary base, insulate them from political pressure, and let them deal with the business cycle; meanwhile, everything else can be conducted on free-market principles.

And this worked for a while – roughly speaking from 1985 to 2007, the era of the Great Moderation. It worked in part because the political insulation of central banks also gave them more than a bit of intellectual insulation, too. If we’re living in a Dark Age of macroeconomics, central banks have been its monasteries, hoarding and studying the ancient texts lost to the rest of the world. Even as the real business cycle people took over the professional journals, to the point where it became very hard to publish models in which monetary policy, let alone fiscal policy, matters, the research departments of the Fed system continued to study counter-cyclical policy in a relatively realistic way.

But this, too, was unstable. For one thing, there was bound to be a shock, sooner or later, too big for the central bankers to handle without help from broader fiscal policy. Also, sooner or later the barbarians were going to go after the monasteries too; and as the current furor over quantitative easing shows, the invading hordes have arrived.

Financial instability

Last but not least, the very success of central-bank-led stabilization, combined with financial deregulation – itself a by-product of the revival of free-market fundamentalism – set the stage for a crisis too big for the central bankers to handle. This is Minskyism: the long period of relative stability led to greater risk-taking, greater leverage, and, finally, a huge deleveraging shock. And Milton Friedman was wrong: in the face of a really big shock, which pushes the economy into a liquidity trap, the central bank can’t prevent a depression.

And by the time that big shock arrived, the descent into an intellectual Dark Age combined with the rejection of policy activism on political grounds had left us unable to agree on a wider response.

In the end, then, the era of the Samuelsonian synthesis was, I fear, doomed to come to a nasty end. And the result is the wreckage we see all around us.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/the-instability-of-moderation/#more-14713

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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2010, 01:01:34 PM »
Case closed -  Krugman is an interational laughing stock.  He has been proven wrong on almost everything.     

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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2010, 01:05:39 PM »
And people lke Schiff and Ron Paul, who have been correct for decades, the rest of the world, and anyone with a freaking clue says QE2 is sheer madness get no cred with you  Please. 

Face it - this keynsian garbage has failed miserably and the entire world has rejected it. 

It has failed precisely because it wasn't large enough to begin with.  The underestimation of this will be talked about for years to come and dissected throughout universities worldwide.  

Schiff is a knowledgeable guy for sure, but he's not correct in everything he says, nor is he correct on the response to the economic downturn.  

Paul is a nut job who i have no time for.  Everyone on this board seems to suckle his teets but i for one think the guy is a senile old texan with little to do but complain about a return to some imagined utopia of every man for himself.
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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2010, 01:08:17 PM »
Case closed -  Krugman is an interational laughing stock.  He has been proven wrong on almost everything.     

Laughing stock by who's standards?  The Austrian economical school of thinking is always going to oppose Krugman, but i will guarantee you any economist worth his weight will acknowledge Krugman is not a laughing stock nor wrong on everything.  There may be disagreements but the world of economics is not a message board where people set out to 'pwn' others. 

It's actually better you don't like him, it makes him even more likable.  8)
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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2010, 01:09:08 PM »
Right - if only we would have gotten more in debt to the Chinese everything would be great? 

Please wake the hell up already. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2010, 01:10:10 PM »
Laughing stock by who's standards?  The Austrian economical school of thinking is always going to oppose Krugman, but i will guarantee you any economist worth his weight will acknowledge Krugman is not a laughing stock nor wrong on everything.  There may be disagreements but the world of economics is not a message board where people set out to 'pwn' others. 

It's actually better you don't like him, it makes him even more likable.  8)

go o almost any economic site or business site, or listen to almost anyone with aclue on economics and they literally laugh at Krugman.  He is beyond a clown.

 

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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2010, 01:14:03 PM »
hahaha 333 melting down at Krugman's brilliance!

This is classic
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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2010, 01:22:43 PM »
hahaha 333 melting down at Krugman's brilliance!

This is classic


Krugmans' brilliance?  That stupid muppet hack said the housing bubble was a good thing!   Paul Krugman is roundly mocked, ;aughed at, and derided for how often he is so wrong all the time on nearly everything. 

Please show me one video REMOTELY OR EVEN CLOSE to as accurate as this?












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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2010, 01:26:17 PM »
KC = needs to get a clue.  you can't spend and incur debt your way to prosperity.  Thisis from 2006 - who was right?

Schiff or the Kenysian?
 


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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 01:35:01 PM »
KC - who was right

Schiff or Bernake? 


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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 01:51:39 PM »
Mega Youtube post meltdown!

Hahaha Krugman owns your mind 333!

You're posting clips about Bernake in a krugman, delong thread that is a serious meltdown.
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Re: The Retreat of Macroeconomic Policy
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2010, 01:55:11 PM »
Mega Youtube post meltdown!

Hahaha Krugman owns your mind 333!

You're posting clips about Bernake in a krugman, delong thread that is a serious meltdown.

No - its sickeniong to me that people still follow these failures ad think they are paddling anything butlieswhen they have already been proven wrong time and time and time again.