Flex Wheeler never was as good as arnold.

[Nirvana]

arnold just got surpassed. it's like saying Dorian could beat Ronnie 

[Firemuscle]

not at all

remember ronnie coleman looks liek shit and woulda lost in the 80s as unsymmetircal bag of shit

size does not alone make a bodybuilder but symmetry

add height to that and awesome hardness and that is why arnold cant be beat

legs overdone look silly

you are a hater bro, sorry, and you are irrational

 Shut up gimmick.

 Arnold had some some great points for sure. But he didn't have the total package.

 I appreciate symettry and that's what I go for in my own training. And yes, Arnold did have great symettry. But other guys have been better.

 If you name any quality that Arnold had, I can name a few other guys who had it better.

 Since Arnold's day, guys with equally great genetics and on a lot more drugs have stepped in and surpassed what he did.

[tallgerman]

Shut up gimmick.

 Arnold had some some great points for sure. But he didn't have the total package.

 I appreciate symettry and that's what I go for in my own training. And yes, Arnold did have great symettry. But other guys have been better.

 If you name any quality that Arnold had, I can name a few other guys who had it better.

 Since Arnold's day, guys with equally great genetics and on a lot more drugs have stepped in and surpassed what he did.

no you shut up gimmik

I named the qualities arnold had and no they have not been surpassed

not by flex and not by anyone

sorry

say what you want but no Arnold has not been surpassed.

I already spelled it you for you, size is not better just for size sake. 

you probably think ferrigno beat arnold

nope!

sorry

[mass243]

  

[tallgerman]

 

too bad homy had to give it al back after mortgage crash and ebay the cars!

hoo haa!!!

[Reeves]

What about Arnold's thighs? Weak point? I think so.

 Also seems like his triceps were kinda weak, from the back he wan't too impressive in general, and his conditioning was often off.

 I see why you all think he's great. He was a great bodybuilder from sure. But the best??? I don't think so.

 I do like the 70's era though and I find it much more inspirational and cool than what's going on these days.

Generally, your arms, neck and calves should be the same size and the measurement of both thighs should equal that of the chest.  Arnold's chest was 57" and thighs were 28.5" each, which totals 57".  His arms were 22.5" and his calves were 20.5".  I have no ideas as the measurement of his neck.  His waist was 34".

Your ass should not be so large as to remain in a room for 15 minutes after the rest of you has left.  This alone disqualifies Flux Wheedle, Kai Weenie, Dorian Wastes and Ronnie Coleslaw from being anything other than oil filled, GH fueled, bloated piles of shit. I trust this clears things up a bit?  If not, oh well.   

[disco_stu]

Actually Arnold is on record stating Flex is the best bodybuilder he has EVER seen....He said it after on of Flex's Arnold Classic wins...I believe it was the 98 Arnold...This was pre-synthol Flex.

still wasnt pre-calf implants.

arnie was the better bodybuilder. everything on arnie was gained- not fake.

[tallgerman]

Arnold also owns that show.

So to pump up whoever won is natural.

Films tells all.

[disco_stu]

I really don't see where the fuck you are coming from here Parker. What is it that you are trying to argue? That Flex and Brian are genetically identical? If you look at any picture you would see that not only did Brian have wider shoulders, but that his waist was smaller than Flex's.
You are right in saying that Brian wasn't particularly wide and that it was his waist that gave him his taper, same so of Flex, only his taper was a lot worse.

Different physiques. Small joints, good shape although different, small hips along with waist (although Brian's was clearly smaller), both black, there are the similarities.

Flex had a bad taper and a shitty chest, this is pretty clear in any picture of him. Even in 1993 his abs were protruding and his chest was way overpowered by his delts and arms. This was his best form as he hadn't destroyed himself with oil at this point.

flex's back wasnt great either. delts and arms, superb. ripped, for sure. lats ripped- yes. mass and width in lats- hardly.

pecs?- ok but way less development then the overpowering arms and delts.

quads- ripped but lacking in thickness. calves?- absolutely none- some of the worst calves ive ever seen on a bodybuilder- then all of a sudden he had some undefined mass there...very strange.

all this nut hugging over flex is a joke. he got ripped and had great arms and delts. thats it for gods sake!

when you break it down that is it!

best BB EVER?- not even close. to be that youve got to have pecs, thick dense lats, kick ass quads and hams and solid, real calves.

ronnie had it all, haney had it all for the era..but arms and calves on the weak side, levrone had it all, arnold had it all for the era...no weaknesses- legs werent a focus then..not even yates meets the criteria..he misses on the arms and even the pecs werent great.

[Captain Equipoise]

My recollection was almost spot on asshole. I got the tape out and here is
what he said as measurements...
22 1/2 arms
legs -31 inch
waist -27 1/2
chest -right around 56 inches
Arnold says -the measurements your saying right now are world record measurements, right?
 

You fucking schmoe, I never questioned how spot on it was...hahaha, I was laughing at how big of a schmoe you are for remembering that much detail on something only a gay stalker would remember about another man, hahahaha

and for the record, only a complete fag would care about some guy's leg measurement from 18 years ago, oh brother    

you sound like the kind of guy that could within 0.3 seconds of being asked, remember flex's thong color in any contest from 1992

[tallgerman]

arnold dominates shorty flex in every way

[Master Blaster]

Flex is insane (was) but he doesn't (didn't) have that certain "hugeness" factor that makes people do a double take.   

[Parker]

I really don't see where the fuck you are coming from here Parker. What is it that you are trying to argue? That Flex and Brian are genetically identical? If you look at any picture you would see that not only did Brian have wider shoulders, but that his waist was smaller than Flex's.
You are right in saying that Brian wasn't particularly wide and that it was his waist that gave him his taper, same so of Flex, only his taper was a lot worse.

Different physiques. Small joints, good shape although different, small hips along with waist (although Brian's was clearly smaller), both black, there are the similarities.

Flex had a bad taper and a shitty chest, this is pretty clear in any picture of him. Even in 1993 his abs were protruding and his chest was way overpowered by his delts and arms. This was his best form as he hadn't destroyed himself with oil at this point.

No, Flex, Brian, Jean Guillame, Melvin Anthony, Theirry Pastel and Jojo Ntiforo all have the virtually the same physique...the same "phenotype", bascially being traced back to around the Ghana area...they come from the same "assembly line" if you will with little variations...And since Jojo is straight from Africa...his  ethnic group's genetics could be the progenitor of Brian's, et al. here is Jojo:





Now, notice the small joints, the tiny wasp waist, then and round muscles bellies. Same or similar flare to the lats, and when they hold the same pose---that one hand over to the head pose that Flex is pictured doing for the 1998 Arnold, they all have the same "lines", virtually small deviations.   Each of the named bbers has that, but also, that they look better around a smaller bodyweight, roughly 210-225 pounds, and they have the same flaws---harder to get dry.

Granted, Flex's arms did overpower his chest, and Brian's didn't, but Brian's upper body overpowered his lower. Basicallly its like this, you know a Corvette when you see a Corvette, or you know a Porsche 911 when you see a 911. They haven't really changed the formula, and you see the DNA within each model...the physiques of Brian, Jean-Paul Guillame, Theirry Pastel, Flex Wheeler, Melvin Anthony, and Jojo are like that 911, they all have the same formula...just slight variations

[tallgerman]

I haven't caused this much fuss since I told an englishman that england lost both world wars to germany and that usa won them.

[Parker]

I haven't caused this much fuss since I told an englishman that england lost both world wars to germany and that usa won them.

Well, I also meant to answer you---Arnold had a w-i-d-e waist, even he admitted this, and to his sloping shoulders as well. If he were to be a bodybuilder in this timeframe, he would look similar to Gunter---and we know what happened to Gunter in 2003-04...The fact is Arnold is the most popular bodybuilder, but even in his day he was not th most genetically gifted---that goes to Sergio, and Serge, and even Robby Robinson...of note, almost all the bodybuilders of that day had huge chests...

[mass243]

Well, I also meant to answer you---Arnold had a w-i-d-e waist, even he admitted this, and to his sloping shoulders as well. If he were to be a bodybuilder in this timeframe, he would look similar to Gunter---and we know what happened to Gunter in 2003-04...The fact is Arnold is the most popular bodybuilder, but even in his day he was not th most genetically gifted---that goes to Sergio, and Serge, and even Robby Robinson...of note, almost all the bodybuilders of that day had huge chests...

Why is that?
Did they use chains like Branch?

[Parker]

Why is that?
Did they use chains like Branch?

, probably the higher reps, or less emphasis on arms, or smaller arms, delts, and back, that outshine the chest...just look at this pic of Jim Morris, Bill Pearl and friends...

[mass243]

, probably the higher reps, or less emphasis on arms, or smaller arms, delts, and back, that outshine the chest...just look at this pic of Jim Morris, Bill Pearl and friends...

Yes, I agree with you totally on this. It must be smaller arms and delts that made their pecs stand out more in the past..

[Parker]

Yes, I agree with you totally on this. It must be smaller arms and delts that made their pecs stand out more in the past..

It sounds like you were being sarcastic...but, I think that there is less emphasis on training chest right...I was watching Phil Heath's first vid, and the angle he had on the incline bench---I thought he was working delts more than the chest because it was so high. 

[mass243]

It sounds like you were being sarcastic...but, I think that there is less emphasis on training chest right...I was watching Phil Heath's first vid, and the angle he had on the incline bench---I thought he was working delts more than the chest because it was so high. 

Not meant to be sarcasm in my post here. Sorry if you got that impression. (that's downside of GB, never know whether someone agrees with you or is just foolin around    )

I remember someone saying that incline bench is more for delts than chest... Not sure about that but I bet those old schoolers did much more heavy plain bench pressing than guys these days do.

[Parker]

Not meant to be sarcasm in my post here. Sorry if you got that impression. (that's downside of GB, never know whether someone agrees with you or is just foolin around    )

I remember someone saying that incline bench is more for delts than chest... Not sure about that but I bet those old schoolers did much more heavy plain bench pressing than guys these days do.

I think Arnold credited inclines for his fullness...Flex magazine had a list of the top chests and those with exceptional fullness usually had emphasis on inclines, like Sergio, Arnold, Bertil Fox...from what i remember 

[mass243]

Not comparing myself to pros (lol) but I've always got best gains in chest by doing much of flying movements. Cable crossovers, dumbbell fly..

[Parker]

Not comparing myself to pros (lol) but I've always got best gains in chest by doing much of flying movements. Cable crossovers, dumbbell fly..

have you tried supersetting pec deck with dips...the pump is off the meter?

[mass243]

have you tried supersetting pec deck with dips...the pump is off the meter?

Actually never. Might give it a try... at least dips I've always liked.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Arnold beat Sergio. Enough said.

Flex is insane (was) but he doesn't (didn't) have that certain "hugeness" factor that makes people do a double take.   

Arnold 1974 off season is the biggest and thickest I have ever seen anyone. And he still had the split in the pecs. Beat that Flex.