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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2010, 05:55:46 AM »
Analysis: Wikileaks vindicate, don’t damage, Israel
Jerusalem Post ^ | 11/28/2010 | YAAKOV KATZ


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The US is clearly listening to what Middle Eastern leaders have to say about Iran - now what are they going to do about it? Talkbacks (13) Based on the trove of diplomatic cables published by WikiLeaks on Sunday, the United States is clearly listening to and recording what Middle Eastern leaders have to say about Iran. The question left unanswered is what the US is willing to do about it.

For years now, top Israeli political and defense leaders have warned the world that a nuclear Iran is not just a threat to the Jewish state but is a threat to the entire region.

RELATED: Wikileaks: 'Saudis on Iran: Cut off the head of the snake' Leak: Iran used Red Crescent to smuggle weapons

“If only we could say publicly what we hear behind closed doors,” Israeli officials would comment, following off-record talks they held with Arab leaders throughout the Middle East.

Well, now they can. According to one cable published by WikiLeaks on Sunday, Saudi King Abdullah “frequently exhorted the US to attack Iran to put an end to its nuclear weapons program” and to cut off the head of the snake.

According to another cable, King Hamad of Bahrain, a country with a majority Shi’ite population, urged in a meeting with former CENTCOM commander Gen.

David Petraeus that action be taken to terminate Iran’s nuclear program.

“That program must be stopped,” Hamad said, according to the cable. “The danger of letting it go on is greater than the danger of stopping it.”

Jordan, another country that voiced concern, is uncomfortable with the possibility that a nuclear Iran would provide an umbrella for opposition groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt is also challenged by Iran’s continued nuclear development, as shown by the conviction in April of 26 men who were spying for Hizbullah and plotting attacks in Egypt.

From an Israeli perspective, therefore, it would not be an exaggeration to say that WikiLeaks may have done the country a service on Sunday. By presenting the Arab leaders as more extreme in their remarks than Israeli leaders, the cables show the dissonance in the region and the danger involved in allowing Iran to continue with its nuclear program.

While there were some comments made by Mossad director Meir Dagan regarding leaders in the Middle East – the emir of Qatar is “annoying,” and the king of Morocco is not interested in governing – that are slightly embarrassing, Israeli politicians were spared the more embarrassing analyses of their personalities that French President Nicolas Sarkozy and Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi received.

The information revealed in the cables is vast and informative, providing an unprecedented insight into the way some of Israel’s top intelligence officials and politicians view the region and its challenges.

Dagan, for example, comes out looking much more than just the head of a spy agency, and according to the cables, is sought after by almost every senior US official visiting Israel. In one cable he met with a Homeland Security official, in another with the undersecretary of state. In another he met with officials from the Treasury Department and in another, Mossad officials met with US military officers.

In general and contrary to earlier predictions, the cables did not appear to contain information that could significantly harm Israeli national security.

Most Israeli officials, such as Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Dagan and Military Intelligence chief Maj.-Gen.

Amos Yadlin, appear to be careful in what they say in the meetings, which are clearly being documented by American aides in the room. In one cable, while Yadlin said that covert means needed to be used to stop Iran, he was quoted as refusing to elaborate.

At the end of the day, though, none of this has changed the state of affairs regarding global efforts to stop Iran. While the UN has ratcheted up sanctions and the US is threatening more and tougher ones, the Teheran regime is continuing to defy the international community and to enrich uranium, making it today just a jump away from creating a nuclear weapon whenever it wants. Subscribe to our Newsletter to receive news updates directly to your email


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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2010, 12:44:39 PM »
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-20023941-38.html

King pushing to designate Wikileaks as a "terrorist group".  Fuck this guy.

BTW, there have only been 220 cables released out of the 250k+ that they plan on releasing over the next few months.  Seems like the US is pushing to pull the plug before that happens.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2010, 01:21:16 PM »
WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work.  Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on.  A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.

This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are.  Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.


Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2010, 01:40:16 PM »
WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work.  Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on.  A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.

This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are.  Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.


Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge.

It is and it isn't.  They must keep the consumers working so they can spend and businesses can grow and tax revenue can flow in.  That's why governments must engage in this crap to protect their interests.

Personally i don't think wikileaks is a good thing.  In principle it sounds noble, but in practice i don't think it changes anything or does any real good.  Governments will always keep secrets.  And they should to a point.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2010, 01:52:13 PM »
WikiLeaks are true patriots in my opinion and should keep up the wonderful work.  Its rather sickening to read what exactly is going on.  A lot of "spy vs. spy" pointless nonsense and total government waste.

This whole things really shines light on how big of a mess the world and the United States really are.  Its like a giant game at the top meanwhile the lowly people and citizens just continue to suffer.


Its obvious way over any one man`s head and charge and is but a giant industry of subterfuge.

How can they be patriots when they're not American citizens? 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2010, 01:54:43 PM »
How can they be patriots when they're not American citizens? 
Uh, do you not know where the info is coming from?  Also, Wikileaks is not just one man nor is it a foreign entity.

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« Reply #56 on: November 29, 2010, 01:56:43 PM »
How can they be patriots when they're not American citizens? 
Furthermore, what does being a patriot have to do with being an american?

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2010, 01:59:58 PM »
Uh, do you not know where the info is coming from?  Also, Wikileaks is not just one man nor is it a foreign entity.

You said "WikiLeaks are true patriots."  My question, again, is how can they be "patriots" when the company is a foreign company that is owned by someone who isn't an American citizen?   

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2010, 02:01:32 PM »
Furthermore, what does being a patriot have to do with being an american?

Patriot:  "one who loves and defends his or her country"
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You're saying the owner of Wiki loves and defends the U.S. 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2010, 02:05:22 PM »
Patriot:  "one who loves and defends his or her country"
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

You're saying the owner of Wiki loves and defends the U.S. 
Why didn`t you post the entire definitions of the word patriot?  (not that it matters in the least bit whatsoever)

Was Alexander Hamilton a Patriot? Patriotism


Anyways, the American soldiers who obtained and gave this information and all those who published or helped it get out to the public are true patriots in every sense of the word.

Especially Bradley Manning, the brilliant 22 year old American soldier.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #60 on: November 29, 2010, 02:08:53 PM »
Why didn`t you post the entire definitions of the word patriot?  (not that it matters in the least bit whatsoever)

Was Alexander Hamilton a Patriot? Patriotism


Anyways, the American soldiers who obtained and gave this information and all those who published or helped it get out to the public are true patriots in every sense of the word.

Especially Bradley Manning, the brilliant 22 year old American soldier.

What a surprise coming from you ::) Manning and any other soldier that leaked this information should be tried for treason and executed if found guilty.
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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #61 on: November 29, 2010, 02:09:30 PM »
Why didn`t you post the entire definitions of the word patriot?  (not that it matters in the least bit whatsoever)

Was Alexander Hamilton a Patriot? Patriotism


Anyways, the American soldiers who obtained and gave this information and all those who published or helped it get out to the public are true patriots in every sense of the word.

Especially Bradley Manning, the brilliant 22 year old American soldier.

I see.  So now you're saying the treasonous American soldiers that stole and provided information are patriots.  Are you clarifying your earlier claim that the foreign owner of Wikileaks is a patriot?  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #62 on: November 29, 2010, 02:13:47 PM »
from a 'peace love happiness' point of view - he's doing the morally right thing.  exposing lies, theft, murder, etc.

from a 'US retains strategic advantage' position - he's screwing us in the tush.

Really, the people debating it have 2 different views. 

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« Reply #63 on: November 29, 2010, 02:15:33 PM »
from a 'peace love happiness' point of view - he's doing the morally right thing.  exposing lies, theft, murder, etc.

from a 'US retains strategic advantage' position - he's screwing us in the tush.

Really, the people debating it have 2 different views. 
Secrets and what they contain become useless to all sides once exposed. The more exposure the better.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #64 on: November 29, 2010, 02:16:14 PM »
from a 'peace love happiness' point of view - he's doing the morally right thing.  exposing lies, theft, murder, etc.

from a 'US retains strategic advantage' position - he's screwing us in the tush.

Really, the people debating it have 2 different views. 

There are no 2 different views, the fuck volunteered, here let me say that again volunteered to join the military. Signed a contract and I am almost positive a NDA. Little homo should fry
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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2010, 02:16:18 PM »
Oh please.  This is not a gray area.  There is a reason why people need security clearances and that certain documents are considered classified, with the most important being they can be a threat to national security.  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2010, 02:16:58 PM »
I am at least happy that the lie obama has been peddling about Israel being the main obstacle to a consensus on iran has now been shredded to pieces.  

More lies from the obama Admn. being shredded day after day.  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #67 on: November 29, 2010, 02:21:26 PM »
What a surprise coming from you ::) Manning and any other soldier that leaked this information should be tried for treason and executed if found guilty.
That is EXACTLY how the Nazi`s justified their crimes.  They were just following orders or they were doing "For their Country".  I guess by your rationale they were at least not treasonous and therefore were not in the wrong whatsoever.

I find your blinded Nationalism appalling. You should be humanistic first and foremost, but alas, you are not.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #68 on: November 29, 2010, 02:26:09 PM »
That is EXACTLY how the Nazi`s justified their crimes.  They were just following orders or they were doing "For their Country".  I guess by your rationale they were at least not treasonous and therefore were not in the wrong whatsoever.

I find your blinded Nationalism appalling. You should be humanistic first and foremost, but alas, you are not.

Oh wow a NAZI comparison ::) Another surprise coming from you. Yes lets compare apples to Ferrari's ::) Apparently you don't understand that the rules are different in the military and you can't just do whatever the fuck you feel like without facing the consequence.


Now your are going to tell me how I am supposed to be? Yeah OK a trust fund baby self hating Jew who wears a swastika is a real fine example ::)
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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #69 on: November 29, 2010, 02:28:13 PM »
How can an Australian be an American patriot?

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #70 on: November 29, 2010, 02:28:30 PM »
Oh wow a NAZI comparison ::) Another surprise coming from you. Yes lets compare apples to ferrari's ::) Apparently you don't understand that the rules are different in the military and you can't just do whatever the fuck you feel like without facing the consequence.


Do you believe there is any time when orders should not be followed?

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #71 on: November 29, 2010, 02:29:28 PM »
How can an Australian be an American patriot?

I asked the same question. 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2010, 02:29:47 PM »
How can an Australian be an American patriot?

Who is calling him an American?  He is a patriot.  Just like Alexander Hamilton was a patriot who was not an American.  ;)

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« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2010, 02:30:33 PM »
I asked the same question. 

I find it funny that people think some former hacker turned jet-setting "whistle blower" is some sort of authority figure on what information we as Americans should be privy to.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2010, 02:31:16 PM »
I find it funny that people think some former hacker turned jet-setting "whistle blower" is some sort of authority figure on what information we as Americans should be privy to.
I find it hilarious that someone does not understand that you don`t have to be an American to be a patriot.