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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #75 on: November 29, 2010, 02:31:34 PM »
Do you believe there is any time when orders should not be followed?

What planet do you come from? Apparently you don't know shit about the US military. Soldiers do not have to obey illegal orders plain and simple. UMCJ is there for a reason and why US soldiers are held accountable for their actions
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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #76 on: November 29, 2010, 02:33:52 PM »
I find it hilarious that someone does not understand that you don`t have to be an American to be a patriot. 

You believe the owner of Wikileaks is releasing this information because he loves America? 

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« Reply #77 on: November 29, 2010, 02:34:11 PM »
I find it funny that people think some former hacker turned jet-setting "whistle blower" is some sort of authority figure on what information we as Americans should be privy to.

Tell me about it.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #78 on: November 29, 2010, 02:34:38 PM »
What planet do you come from? Apparently you don't know shit about the US military. Soldiers do not have to obey illegal orders plain and simple. UMCJ is there for a reason and why US soldiers are held accountable for their actions

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« Reply #79 on: November 29, 2010, 02:34:44 PM »
I find it hilarious that someone does not understand that you don`t have to be an American to be a patriot. 

I don't see what's patriotic about what he did. Three weeks from now this stuff will be forgotten, just like the last two "revolutionary" leaks.

You believe the owner of Wikileaks is releasing this information because he loves America?  

Assange hates this country and is nothing more than a propaganda machine. Editing videos to change perception of them = not a Patriot.

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« Reply #80 on: November 29, 2010, 02:34:59 PM »
You believe the owner of Wikileaks is releasing this information because he loves America? 

No - but we need to ask how and why this info got to this guy in the first place.  

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« Reply #81 on: November 29, 2010, 02:35:48 PM »
I don't see what's patriotic about what he did. Three weeks from now this stuff will be forgotten, just like the last two "revolutionary" leaks.

Assange hates this country and is nothing more than a propaganda machine. Editing videos to change perception of them = not a Patriot.


At least israel is at least off the hook for the bs spewed against them regarding Iran. 

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« Reply #82 on: November 29, 2010, 02:37:56 PM »
At least israel is at least off the hook for the bs spewed against them regarding Iran.  

Like I said in the other thread (or was it this one, not sure), anyone who didn't think that the entire Middle East despises Iran and wants them destroyed is a fool.

It's cool that Saudi Arabia expects us to fight their battles, though. Then again, the Arab oil lobby is ridiculously powerful.

Funny that it's other Muslims who seem to be taking the biggest warmonger approach to Iran and not the big bad Americans/Israel, though.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #83 on: November 29, 2010, 02:38:24 PM »
You believe the owner of Wikileaks is releasing this information because he loves America? 
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriot
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #84 on: November 29, 2010, 02:38:35 PM »
I don't see what's patriotic about what he did. Three weeks from now this stuff will be forgotten, just like the last two "revolutionary" leaks.

Assange hates this country and is nothing more than a propaganda machine. Editing videos to change perception of them = not a Patriot.


That's certainly the way it appears.  

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« Reply #85 on: November 29, 2010, 02:38:58 PM »
No - but we need to ask how and why this info got to this guy in the first place.  

Agree.  Heads should roll. 

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« Reply #86 on: November 29, 2010, 02:41:19 PM »
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriot
a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

lol.  You still don't get it.  This is talking about a person defending his own country's rights, not the rights of a foreign government.  If you put the first two definitions in context from the link you posted, it's clearly not talking about foreigners. 

1.  a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.  a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #87 on: November 29, 2010, 02:42:57 PM »
Someone who edits an hour long video down to 10 minutes of cherry-picked scenes in order to stir up anti-American sentiment is not a patriot nor is that individual defending anyone's individual rights.

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« Reply #88 on: November 29, 2010, 02:44:45 PM »
lol.  You still don't get it.  This is talking about a person defending his own country's rights, not the rights of a foreign government.  If you put the first two definitions in context from the link you posted, it's clearly not talking about foreigners. 

1.  a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.  a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

Dictionaries don`t function like that.  You don`t just combine each entry as a word is a symbol for sometimes two different ideas or meanings.

Also, Dictionaries are not finite.  You really should look into reading some Steven Pinker as he sits on the board at the Oxford Dictionary in charge of words and definitions.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #89 on: November 29, 2010, 02:45:15 PM »
I hate to say this - but deep down I believe obama loves this greatly since it gets him off the hook on Iran.  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #90 on: November 29, 2010, 02:47:04 PM »
lol.  You still don't get it.  This is talking about a person defending his own country's rights, not the rights of a foreign government.  If you put the first two definitions in context from the link you posted, it's clearly not talking about foreigners.  

1.  a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2.  a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

If we were to listen to you and your piss poor reading of the English language and your self-imposed made up rules, than George Washington was no patriot since he was certainly not defending his or any country country.  He was attacking it. 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #91 on: November 29, 2010, 02:48:38 PM »
Dictionaries don`t function like that.  You don`t just combine each entry as a word is a symbol for sometimes two different ideas or meanings.

Also, Dictionaries are not finite.  You really should look into reading some Steven Pinker as he sits on the board at the Oxford Dictionary in charge of words and definitions.

I'll stick with reading the link YOU posted.   :)  Whether you want to use denotative or connotative meanings of the word "patriot," it does not include the love of a foreign country.  The term refers to the love of your own country.    

Just fyi, the best way to deal with a mistake is just acknowledge it and move on.  You can maintain a little more credibility that way.  You obviously either misused the term "patriot" or didn't know the owner is not an American citizen.  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #92 on: November 29, 2010, 02:48:46 PM »
WikiLeaked: John Kerry calls for Israel to cede Golan Heights and East Jerusalem
foreignpolicy.com ^ | Monday, November 29, 2010 | Josh Rogin


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On a February trip to the Middle East, Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry (D-MA) told Qatari leaders that the Golan Heights should be returned to Syria, that a Palestinian capital should be established in East Jerusalem as part of the Arab-Israeli peace process, and that he was "shocked" by what he saw on a visit to Gaza.

Kerry discussed the Israeli-Palestinian peace process in a visit to Qatar during separate meetings with Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim Al Thani and the Emir of Qatar, Hamad bin Khalifa, as revealed by the disclosure of diplomatic cables by the website WikiLeaks.

The emir told Kerry to focus on Syria as the path toward resolution of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Kerry agreed with the emir that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is a man who wants change but pointed out that his arming of Hezbollah and interference in Lebanese politics were unhelpful. Kerry said that Assad "needs to make a bolder move and take risks" for peace, and that he should be "more statesman-like." Kerry also agreed with the emir that the Golan Heights should be given back to Syria at some point.


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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #93 on: November 29, 2010, 02:51:01 PM »
If we were to listen to you and your piss poor reading of the English language and your self-imposed made up rules, than George Washington was no patriot since he was certainly not defending his or any country country.  He was attacking it. 

So what now are you trying to compare Assange or Manning to George Washington? The kind of redirection strikes again
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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #94 on: November 29, 2010, 02:51:35 PM »
If we were to listen to you and your piss poor reading of the English language and your self-imposed made up rules, than George Washington was no patriot since he was certainly not defending his or any country country.  He was attacking it. 

Again, completely nonsensical.  We're talking about a foreigner attacking the U.S., and you calling that attack patriotic.  A more appropriate example would be a British general harming the colonies and calling that (soon-to-be) American patriotism.  It would be wrong, but more in line with your idiotic comments.  

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #95 on: November 29, 2010, 02:52:11 PM »
So what now are you trying to compare Assange or Manning to George Washington? The kind of redirection strikes again

lol.  Pretty pathetic. 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2010, 02:55:10 PM »
WikiLeaks: Russians smell anti-Obama conspiracy
csmonitor.com ^ | November 29, 2010 | Fred Weir





In Russia, the motherland of conspiracy theories, almost no one believes that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are free agents acting on a desire to crack official secrecy and broaden the horizons of public awareness.

Although the more than a quarter-million secret US diplomatic cables spilled into cyberspace by WikiLeaks on Sunday include just 3,337 reports prepared by the US Embassy in Moscow, many Russians are already viewing it as part of a plot by American hardliners to discredit President Obama and, perhaps, to undermine his fragile efforts to “reset” US-Russia relations. ....

“I have no doubt that this was a prepared operation, probably by [the] US secret services," says Alexei Mukhin, director of the independent Center for Political Information in Moscow. “I find it improbable that US authorities couldn't deal with one guy (Mr. Assange) if they really wanted to. No, this is clearly being done as an instrument of destabilization," he says.

The most popular theory is that the massive outing of classified State Department communications is designed to make Obama look weak, inept, and unable to control his own government machinery.

“This will obviously damage Obama and his policies,” says Sergei Strokan, a foreign affairs columnist with the Moscow business daily Kommersant. “Obama made a strong emphasis on international affairs, outreach to the Muslim world, and resetting relations with Russia. These leaks show that many diplomats take a privately cynical view of those goals, or are actually working at cross purposes to them. All these disclosures will be a serious blow to America's new image in the world, and will only undercut Obama.”

Mr. Strokan adds that coming just after the mid-term elections in the US, the leaks are likely to benefit Obama’s Republican opponents.


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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2010, 02:58:58 PM »
WikiLeaks: Russians smell anti-Obama conspiracy
csmonitor.com ^ | November 29, 2010 | Fred Weir





In Russia, the motherland of conspiracy theories, almost no one believes that Julian Assange and WikiLeaks are free agents acting on a desire to crack official secrecy and broaden the horizons of public awareness.

Although the more than a quarter-million secret US diplomatic cables spilled into cyberspace by WikiLeaks on Sunday include just 3,337 reports prepared by the US Embassy in Moscow, many Russians are already viewing it as part of a plot by American hardliners to discredit President Obama and, perhaps, to undermine his fragile efforts to “reset” US-Russia relations. ....

“I have no doubt that this was a prepared operation, probably by [the] US secret services," says Alexei Mukhin, director of the independent Center for Political Information in Moscow. “I find it improbable that US authorities couldn't deal with one guy (Mr. Assange) if they really wanted to. No, this is clearly being done as an instrument of destabilization," he says.

The most popular theory is that the massive outing of classified State Department communications is designed to make Obama look weak, inept, and unable to control his own government machinery.

“This will obviously damage Obama and his policies,” says Sergei Strokan, a foreign affairs columnist with the Moscow business daily Kommersant. “Obama made a strong emphasis on international affairs, outreach to the Muslim world, and resetting relations with Russia. These leaks show that many diplomats take a privately cynical view of those goals, or are actually working at cross purposes to them. All these disclosures will be a serious blow to America's new image in the world, and will only undercut Obama.”

Mr. Strokan adds that coming just after the mid-term elections in the US, the leaks are likely to benefit Obama’s Republican opponents.


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Not surprising that the Russians love Obama. They love having a weak American president that they continue to walk all over.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2010, 02:59:18 PM »
I'll stick with reading the link YOU posted.   :)  Whether you want to use denotative or connotative meanings of the word "patriot," it does not include the love of a foreign country.  The term refers to the love of your own country.    

Just fyi, the best way to deal with a mistake is just acknowledge it and move on.  You can maintain a little more credibility that way.  You obviously either misused the term "patriot" or didn't know the owner is not an American citizen.  
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a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2010, 03:15:36 PM »
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