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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #125 on: December 05, 2010, 06:33:54 AM »
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cashpoint for terrorists  



Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #126 on: December 05, 2010, 07:11:56 AM »
Vast Hacking by a China Fearful of the Web
By JAMES GLANZ and JOHN MARKOFF




As China ratcheted up the pressure on Google to censor its Internet searches last year, the American Embassy sent a secret cable to Washington detailing one reason top Chinese leaders had become so obsessed with the Internet search company: they were Googling themselves.

The May 18, 2009, cable, titled “Google China Paying Price for Resisting Censorship,” quoted a well-placed source as saying that Li Changchun, a member of China’s top ruling body, the Politburo Standing Committee, and the country’s senior propaganda official, was taken aback to discover that he could conduct Chinese-language searches on Google’s main international Web site. When Mr. Li typed his name into the search engine at google.com, he found “results critical of him.”

That cable from American diplomats was one of many made public by WikiLeaks that portray China’s leadership as nearly obsessed with the threat posed by the Internet to their grip on power — and, the reverse, by the opportunities it offered them, through hacking, to obtain secrets stored in computers of its rivals, especially the United States.

Extensive hacking operations suspected of originating in China, including one leveled at Google, are a central theme in the cables. The operations began earlier and were aimed at a wider array of American government and military data than generally known, including on the computers of United States diplomats involved in climate change talks with China.

One cable, dated early this year, quoted a Chinese person with family connections to the elite as saying that Mr. Li himself directed an attack on Google’s servers in the United States, though that claim has been called into question. In an interview with The New York Times, the person cited in the cable said that Mr. Li personally oversaw a campaign against Google’s operations in China but the person did not know who directed the hacking attack.

The cables catalog the heavy pressure that was placed on Google to comply with local censorship laws, as well as Google’s willingness to comply — up to a point. That coercion began building years before the company finally decided to pull its search engine out of China last spring in the wake of the successful hacking attack on its home servers, which yielded Chinese dissidents’ e-mail accounts as well as Google’s proprietary source code.

The demands on Google went well beyond removing material on subjects like the Dalai Lama or the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. Chinese officials also put pressure on the United States government to censor the Google Earth satellite imaging service by lowering the resolution of images of Chinese government facilities, warning that Washington could be held responsible if terrorists used that information to attack government or military facilities, the cables show. An American diplomat replied that Google was a private company and that he would report the request to Washington but that he had no sense about how the government would act.

Yet despite the hints of paranoia that appear in some cables, there are also clear signs that Chinese leaders do not consider the Internet an unstoppable force for openness and democracy, as some Americans believe.

In fact, this spring, around the time of the Google pullout, China’s State Council Information Office delivered a triumphant report to the leadership on its work to regulate traffic online, according to a crucial Chinese contact cited by the State Department in a cable in early 2010, when contacted directly by The Times.

The message delivered by the office, the person said, was that “in the past, a lot of officials worried that the Web could not be controlled.”

“But through the Google incident and other increased controls and surveillance, like real-name registration, they reached a conclusion: the Web is fundamentally controllable,” the person said.

That confidence may also reflect what the cables show are repeated and often successful hacking attacks from China on the United States government, private enterprises and Western allies that began by 2002, several years before such intrusions were widely reported in the United States.

At least one previously unreported attack in 2008, code-named Byzantine Candor by American investigators, yielded more than 50 megabytes of e-mails and a complete list of user names and passwords from an American government agency, a Nov. 3, 2008, cable revealed for the first time.

Precisely how these hacking attacks are coordinated is not clear. Many appear to rely on Chinese freelancers and an irregular army of “patriotic hackers” who operate with the support of civilian or military authorities, but not directly under their day-to-day control, the cables and interviews suggest.

But the cables also appear to contain some suppositions by Chinese and Americans passed along by diplomats. For example, the cable dated earlier this year referring to the hacking attack on Google said: “A well-placed contact claims that the Chinese government coordinated the recent intrusions of Google systems. According to our contact, the closely held operations were directed at the Politburo Standing Committee level.”

The cable goes on to quote this person as saying that the hacking of Google “had been coordinated out of the State Council Information Office with the oversight” of Mr. Li and another Politburo member, Zhou Yongkang.” Mr. Zhou is China’s top security official.

But the person cited in the cable gave a divergent account. He detailed a campaign to press Google coordinated by the Propaganda Department’s director, Liu Yunshan. Mr. Li and Mr. Zhou issued approvals in several instances, he said, but he had no direct knowledge linking them to the hacking attack aimed at securing commercial secrets or dissidents’ e-mail accounts — considered the purview of security officials.

Still, the cables provide a patchwork of detail about cyberattacks that American officials believe originated in China with either the assistance or knowledge of the Chinese military.

For example, in 2008 Chinese intruders based in Shanghai and linked to the People’s Liberation Army used a computer document labeled “salary increase — survey and forecast” as bait as part of the sophisticated intrusion scheme that yielded more than 50 megabytes of e-mails and a complete list of user names and passwords from a United States government agency that was not identified.

The cables indicate that the American government has been fighting a pitched battle with intruders who have been clearly identified as using Chinese-language keyboards and physically located in China. In most cases the intruders took great pains to conceal their identities, but occasionally they let their guard down. In one case described in the documents, investigators tracked one of the intruders who was surfing the Web in Taiwan “for personal use.”

In June 2009 during climate change talks between the United States and China, the secretary of state’s office sent a secret cable warning about e-mail “spear phishing” attacks directed at five State Department employees in the Division of Ocean Affairs of the Office of the Special Envoy for Climate Change.

The messages, which purport to come from a National Journal columnist, had the subject line “China and Climate Change.” The e-mail contained a PDF file that was intended to install a malicious software program known as Poison Ivy, which was meant to give an intruder complete control of the victim’s computer. That attack failed.

The cables also reveal that a surveillance system dubbed Ghostnet that stole information from the computers used by the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, and South Asian governments and was uncovered in 2009 was linked to a second broad series of break-ins into American government computers code-named Byzantine Hades. Government investigators were able to make a “tenuous connection” between those break-ins and the People’s Liberation Army.

The documents also reveal that in 2008 German intelligence briefed American officials on similar attacks beginning in 2006 against the German government, including military, economic, science and technology, commercial, diplomatic, and research and development targets. The Germans described the attacks as preceding events like the German government’s meetings with the Chinese government.

Even as such attacks were occurring, Google made a corporate decision in 2006, controversial even within the company, to establish a domestic Chinese version of its search engine, called google.cn. In doing so, it agreed to comply with China’s censorship laws.

But despite that concession, Chinese officials were never comfortable with Google, the cables and interviews show.

The Chinese claimed that Google Earth, the company’s satellite mapping software, offered detailed “images of China’s military, nuclear, space, energy and other sensitive government agency installations” that would be an asset to terrorists. A cable sent on Nov. 7, 2006, reported that Liu Jieyi, an assistant minister of foreign affairs, warned the American Embassy in Beijing that there would be “grave consequences” if terrorists exploited the imagery.

A year later, another cable pointed out that Google searches for politically delicate terms would sometimes be automatically redirected to Baidu, the Chinese company that was Google’s main competitor in China. Baidu is known for scrubbing its own search engine of results that might be unwelcome to government censors.

Google conducted numerous negotiations with officials in the State Council Information Office and other departments involved in censorship, propaganda and media licensing, the cables show. The May 18, 2009, cable that revealed pressure on the company by Mr. Li, the propaganda chief, said Google had taken some measures “to try and placate the government.” The cable also noted that Google had asked the American government to intervene with China on its behalf.

But Chinese officials became alarmed that Google still did less than its Chinese rivals to remove material Chinese officials considered offensive. Such material included information about Chinese dissidents and human rights issues, but also about central and provincial Chinese leaders and their children — considered an especially taboo topic, interviews with people quoted in the cables reveal.

Mr. Li, after apparently searching for information online on himself and his children, was reported to have stepped up pressure on Google. He also took steps to punish Google commercially, according to the May 18 cable.

The propaganda chief ordered three big state-owned Chinese telecommunications companies to stop doing business with Google. Mr. Li also demanded that Google executives remove any link between its sanitized Chinese Web site and its main international one, which he deemed “an illegal site,” the cable said.

Google ultimately stopped complying with repeated censorship requests. It stopped offering a censored version of its search engine in China earlier this year, citing both the hacking attacks and its unwillingness to continue obeying censorship orders.


James Glanz reported from New York, and John Markoff from San Francisco. Andrew W. Lehren contributed reporting from New York.



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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #127 on: December 05, 2010, 07:43:06 AM »
Mubarak told US to allow dictator in Iraq 
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Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak advised the United States in 2008 to "forget" about democracy in Iraq and allow a dictator to take over, according to a diplomatic cable released this week on WikiLeaks.

Mubarak made the comments during talks with visiting US congressmen to whom he also admitted that he was "terrified" by the possibility of a nuclear Iran, in the cable sent home from the US embassy.

The president noted to the US delegation he had advised Washington against the 2003 invasion of Iraq that deposed dictator Saddam Hussein.

But now that they had troops in mainly Shiite Iraq, American troops should not withdraw because that would only serve to strengthen Shiite Iran next door.

"You cannot leave" because "you would leave Iran in control," the diplomatic dispatch, dated May 27, 2008 according to the website, quoted him as saying.

"Mubarak explained his recipe for going forward," the cable said.

"Strengthen the (Iraqi) armed forces, relax your hold, and then you will have a coup. Then we will have a dictator, but a fair one. Forget democracy, the Iraqis by their nature are too tough," Mubarak said in the cable.

Read more: http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article791399.ece/Muba...

 

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2010, 04:04:05 PM »
WikiLeaks cables: Spanish PM helped GE beat Rolls-Royce to helicopter deal
The Guardian UK ^ | 4 December 2010 | Andrew Clark


Posted on Sunday, December 05, 2010 12:59:04 PM by sukhoi-30mki

WikiLeaks cables: Spanish PM helped GE beat Rolls-Royce to helicopter deal

Ambassador's comments show commercial interests won out over Britain's 'special relationship' with Washington

Andrew Clark, business editor

guardian.co.uk, Saturday 4 December 2010

Rolls-Royce lost a lucrative contract to supply helicopter engines to the Spanish military because of a personal intervention by Spain's prime minister, José Luis Zapatero, following vigorous lobbying from US diplomats, according to a secret cable from the US embassy in Madrid.

Eduardo Aguirre, the departing US ambassador to Spain, recounts behind-the-scenes diplomatic machinations that helped General Electric snatch a deal away from Rolls-Royce to provide engines for a state-of-the-art fleet of helicopters bought by the Spanish armed forces, a contract estimated by industry experts to be worth more than £200m.

Details of how Britain's best-known engineering company lost out to the Americans will fuel concerns that the so-called UK-US special relationship does not always deliver results.

They come to light after other leaked cables reveal how American diplomats were amused by what they saw as Britain's "paranoid" fears. In the run-up to the May general election, Louis Susman, the US ambassador to London, recorded how Liam Fox, now defence secretary, attempted to win favour with the US by telling him that a Conservative government intended to follow a "much more pro-American profile in procurement".

In the cable relating to the helicopter engine contract, Aguirre portrays Spain's socialist leader as an opportunist, describing Zapatero, who took office following the Madrid train bombings in 2004, as "a wily politician with an uncanny ability – like a cat in a jungle – to sense opportunity or danger".

But Zapatero could be "amenable" to US interests, the ambassador wrote, describing the prime minister's intervention in a tussle in 2007


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« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2010, 04:30:03 PM »
UFO details in unreleased cables: WikiLeaks-Files make reference to alien life
The Montreal Gazette / The London Daily Telegraph ^ | December 5, 2010 | Andrew Hough



London-New leaked diplomatic cables set to be published by WikiLeaks will contain fresh details on UFOs, according to the website's founder Julian Assange.

The 39-year-old Australian, who is wanted by Interpol over a charge of rape and sexual assault in Sweden, said there were some references to extraterrestrial life in yet-to-be-published confidential files obtained from the U.S. government.

He did not disclose what information was contained in the diplomatic memos obtained by the whistleblowing website. It also remains unclear when they will be published.

Assange said his website, under considerable strain in recent days over its "CableGate" series of leaks, received emails from “weirdos” claiming to have seen UFOs.

“Many weirdos email us about UFOs or how they discovered that they were the antichrist whilst talking with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot plant,” he wrote when asked if any of the documents he had received referred to extraterrestrial life.

“However, as yet they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules: 1) that the documents not be self-authored; 2) that they be original."

“It is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the CableGate archive there are indeed references to UFOs.”


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« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2010, 05:03:27 PM »
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists (Hillary Clinton memo)
Guardian ^ | December 5, 2010 | Declan Walsh



Hillary Clinton memo highlights Gulf states' failure to block funding for groups like al-Qaida, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.


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« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2010, 05:15:15 PM »
WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists (Hillary Clinton memo)
Guardian ^ | December 5, 2010 | Declan Walsh



Hillary Clinton memo highlights Gulf states' failure to block funding for groups like al-Qaida, Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba

Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.


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There's a shocker. Been saying that for years. The western world ships Saudi Arabia billions of dollars for oil which they then turn around and funnel to terrorists as well as into mosque building (spreading sharia).  >:(

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #132 on: December 07, 2010, 09:51:55 AM »
Julian Assange Arrested:  Turned himself in to a London police station this morning and was arrested on behalf of Sweden.  He appeared before court and was repeatedly denied bail.  Wikileaks tweeted that they'll still be releasing more cables tonight and the arrest will not affect future releases.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-updates

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« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2010, 09:53:52 AM »
Julian Assange Arrested:  Turned himself in to a London police station this morning and was arrested on behalf of Sweden.  He appeared before court and was repeatedly denied bail.  Wikileaks tweeted that they'll still be releasing more cables tonight and the arrest will not affect future releases.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/07/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-updates

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« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2010, 01:01:49 PM »
I like how he's arrested today and the US State Department releases this (unrelated to the arrest):

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/12/152465.htm

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"The United States is pleased to announce that it will host UNESCO’s World Press Freedom Day event in 2011, from May 1 - May 3 in Washington, D.C. UNESCO is the only UN agency with the mandate to promote freedom of expression and its corollary, freedom of the press.

The theme for next year’s commemoration will be 21st Century Media: New Frontiers, New Barriers. The United States places technology and innovation at the forefront of its diplomatic and development efforts. New media has empowered citizens around the world to report on their circumstances, express opinions on world events, and exchange information in environments sometimes hostile to such exercises of individuals’ right to freedom of expression. At the same time, we are concerned about the determination of some governments to censor and silence individuals, and to restrict the free flow of information. We mark events such as World Press Freedom Day in the context of our enduring commitment to support and expand press freedom and the free flow of information in this digital age.

Highlighting the many events surrounding the celebration will be the awarding of the UNESCO Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize at the National Press Club on May 3rd. This prize, determined by an independent jury of international journalists, honors a person, organization or institution that has notably contributed to the defense and/or promotion of press freedom, especially where risks have been undertaken.

The Newseum will host the first two days of events, which will engage a broad array of media professionals, students, and citizen reporters on themes that address the status of new media and internet freedom, and challenges and opportunities faced by media in our rapidly changing world.

The State Department looks forward to working with UNESCO and the U.S. executive committee spearheaded by the Center for International Media Assistance at the National Endowment for Democracy, IREX, and the United Nations Foundation and the many civil society organizations they have brought together in support of the organization of events unfolding in Washington."

Out of touch with reality much?

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2010, 01:21:59 PM »
never let a crisis go to waste.

rahm emanuel is laughing in chi-town right now

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« Reply #136 on: December 07, 2010, 03:31:27 PM »
Things often have a way of working themselves out.  We saw that with OJ.  I hope this guy spends many years in prison. 

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« Reply #137 on: December 07, 2010, 03:39:00 PM »
Things often have a way of working themselves out.  We saw that with OJ.  I hope this guy spends many years in prison. 

You still hope this knowing that if this does turn out to be the case he'll release everything uncensored which will undoubtedly cause major damage?

I fail to see the logic.

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« Reply #138 on: December 07, 2010, 03:43:24 PM »
You still hope this knowing that if this does turn out to be the case he'll release everything uncensored which will undoubtedly cause major damage?

I fail to see the logic.

I don't believe he will indefinitely hold or destroy whatever damaging information he has.  He'll release whatever he has when it's most advantageous for him to do so. 

It's actually kinda funny that he's making this threat to try and preserve his sorry rear end. 

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« Reply #139 on: December 07, 2010, 03:50:07 PM »
I don't believe he will indefinitely hold or destroy whatever damaging information he has.  He'll release whatever he has when it's most advantageous for him to do so. 

It's actually kinda funny that he's making this threat to try and preserve his sorry rear end. 

He withheld documents from the previous release, so again, I fail to see the logic.  I guess you would have him threaten to get angry and throw a tantrum because people are calling for him to be assassinated?  Would that be a more appropriate reaction to threats against one's life?

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« Reply #140 on: December 07, 2010, 03:53:45 PM »
He withheld documents from the previous release, so again, I fail to see the logic.  I guess you would have him threaten to get angry and throw a tantrum because people are calling for him to be assassinated?  Would that be a more appropriate reaction to threats against one's life?
he did hold other documents only to release them at a later date, same thing he is doing with the "dooms day" bull shit...

they will get released whether any harm comes to him or not...

what he is doing is taint amount to blackmail, and this dousche bag will still release those documents in the long run anyway...

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« Reply #141 on: December 07, 2010, 04:00:04 PM »
he did hold other documents only to release them at a later date, same thing he is doing with the "dooms day" bull shit...

they will get released whether any harm comes to him or not...

what he is doing is taint amount to blackmail, and this dousche bag will still release those documents in the long run anyway...

From what I've read there are still many documents that haven't been released from the original release months ago.  The "doomsday" thing is all of the documents they've been given, unedited, uncensored, that's all.  He didn't even say it was "doomsday" the media coined that phrase, his lawyer said it was of "nuclear" proportions or something like that.

Anyway, what happens to him is completely irrelevant.  Wikileaks will go on in exactly the same way it has and nothing will change, so I don't see why everyone is getting upset over this guy.  I'm more interested in who's pulling his strings, George Soros has been linked to funding Assange which makes things a little more interesting.

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« Reply #142 on: December 07, 2010, 04:01:43 PM »
He withheld documents from the previous release, so again, I fail to see the logic.  I guess you would have him threaten to get angry and throw a tantrum because people are calling for him to be assassinated?  Would that be a more appropriate reaction to threats against one's life?

I could care less if he throws a tantrum.  What I want to see is him locked up somewhere.  He is getting exactly what he deserves.

What's illogical is allowing this guy to dictate whether or not we come after him based on some threat to release stolen information.  

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« Reply #143 on: December 07, 2010, 04:04:09 PM »
I could care less if he throws a tantrum.  What I want to see is him locked up somewhere.  He is getting exactly what he deserves.

What's illogical is allowing this guy to dictate whether or not we come after him based on some threat to release stolen information.  

In your opinion, what's the justification for going after him in the first place?  Why are you not opposed to the NYT or other news sources that released the same information?  Should we be putting the NYT on trial for treason for releasing this information?  Why or why not?

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« Reply #144 on: December 07, 2010, 04:04:55 PM »
I don't believe he will indefinitely hold or destroy whatever damaging information he has.  He'll release whatever he has when it's most advantageous for him to do so.  

It's actually kinda funny that he's making this threat to try and preserve his sorry rear end.  

He's been a media-whoring opportunist from day one. It's been documented that he uses wikileak funds to live the life of a jetsetting playboy. He only releases leaks when he wants press or needs money to fuel his extravagant lifestyle.

In your opinion, what's the justification for going after him in the first place?  Why are you not opposed to the NYT or other news sources that released the same information?  Should we be putting the NYT on trial for treason for releasing this information?  Why or why not?

This is among the dumbest arguments I've seen people defending this guy make. Did the NYT come into possession of the leaks? Did they play a role in acquiring them? Nope. They're just doing what any opportunist news rag does.

And it's not like this will be the first time the NYT has blood on its hands.

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« Reply #145 on: December 07, 2010, 04:07:35 PM »
From what I've read there are still many documents that haven't been released from the original release months ago.  The "doomsday" thing is all of the documents they've been given, unedited, uncensored, that's all.  He didn't even say it was "doomsday" the media coined that phrase, his lawyer said it was of "nuclear" proportions or something like that.

Anyway, what happens to him is completely irrelevant.  Wikileaks will go on in exactly the same way it has and nothing will change, so I don't see why everyone is getting upset over this guy.  I'm more interested in who's pulling his strings, George Soros has been linked to funding Assange which makes things a little more interesting.
wiki may go on but what will be done is setting of precedence in situations like this...you really think he is just going to sit on that info and not release it?

if he was going to why did he release the info he has?

LMAO fact is going off what he has done we have no reason to believe he will restrain himself now...

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« Reply #146 on: December 07, 2010, 04:08:44 PM »
He's been a media-whoring opportunist from day one. It's been documented that he uses wikileak funds to live the life of a jetsetting playboy. He only releases leaks when he wants press or needs money to fuel his extravagant lifestyle.

This is among the dumbest arguments I've seen people defending this guy make. Did the NYT come into possession of the leaks? Did they play a role in acquiring them? Nope. They're just doing what any opportunist news rag does.

And it's not like this will be the first time the NYT has blood on its hands.

exactly this dude has delusions of granduer and as soon as he wants another bump he will release more

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #147 on: December 07, 2010, 04:09:12 PM »
Some former wikileaks employees are launching their own site but they've already said that they don't have a massive hard-on for America like Assange does and will do their work objectively, something Assange can't say.

exactly this dude has delusions of granduer and as soon as he wants another bump he will release more

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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #148 on: December 07, 2010, 04:09:49 PM »
He's been a media-whoring opportunist from day one. It's been documented that he uses wikileak funds to live the life of a jetsetting playboy. He only releases leaks when he wants press or needs money to fuel his extravagant lifestyle.

How is this any different from any other head of a media outlet?  The exact same thing can be said of the heads of CNN, Fox, NBC etc.

This is among the dumbest arguments I've seen people defending this guy make. Did the NYT come into possession of the leaks? Did they play a role in acquiring them? Nope. They're just doing what any opportunist news rag does.

It's completely irrelevant who came into possession of them, it only matters who released them, if we are talking about criminal charges.  What evidence shows that Wikileaks played a roll in the actual acquisition of the documents?




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Re: Wiki Leaks Blows the Lid off Again
« Reply #149 on: December 07, 2010, 04:10:38 PM »
In your opinion, what's the justification for going after him in the first place?  Why are you not opposed to the NYT or other news sources that released the same information?  Should we be putting the NYT on trial for treason for releasing this information?  Why or why not?

The justification for going after him is he knowingly obtained (and likely paid for) stolen secret and classified information that threatens national security.  Whether he violated American law is another story.  I'll wait and see what the Justice Department comes up with.  

The NYT didn't release the information.