Iran to be a super power, why deny it?

[Lundgren]

[Cy Tolliver]

Are you from Ohio?

[Grape Ape]

Good for you, but this is not starting a topic.  This is posting a youtube video with no commentary or original thought.  This forum already has an idiot who does that.  I think you should start over.

[Lundgren]

Good for you, but this is not starting a topic.  This is posting a youtube video with no commentary or original thought.  This forum already has an idiot who does that.  I think you should start over.

Thought it was implied, point is american's don't get the middle east. They have a nonsensical understanding of the middle east. They attack iraq, ignored that two thirds of the pop have direct ties to Iran, they've set up Iran with an avenue into Iraq, it's power is growing, they will have the nuke shortly, there part of a balance shift that, russia and china are part of. If the west dosn't get involved there gonna loose all ability to influence the region.

[Soul Crusher]

Thought it was implied, point is american's don't get the middle east. They have a nonsensical understanding of the middle east. They attack iraq, ignored that two thirds of the pop have direct ties to Iran, they've set up Iran with an avenue into Iraq, it's power is growing, they will have the nuke shortly, there part of a balance shift that, russia and china are part of. If the west dosn't get involved there gonna loose all ability to influence the region.

Apparently so does the marxist messiah obama who did not read the E correctly and though the ticket to dealing with iran was the isreal/pali confilict. 


go figure. 

[Lundgren]

Apparently so does the marxist messiah obama who did not read the E correctly and though the ticket to dealing with iran was the isreal/pali confilict. 


go figure. 

So what do you suggest doing?

[Soul Crusher]

So what do you suggest doing?

JDAMS 

[Lundgren]

Why not progress Iran from an isolated state, and start doing bussiness with them end embargo's and what not? There gonna be a super power we can't stop em, we need to set in motion reform that will restrain them internally.

[George Whorewell]

Hopefully our first order of business will be to send over all of your postings on this website to Tehran. Next we would deport you to Iran where you would be hung for being gay. After your execution, I would acknowledge Iran is a superpower.

[Lundgren]

Hopefully our first order of business will be to send over all of your postings on this website to Tehran. Next we would deport you to Iran where you would be hung for being gay. After your execution, I would acknowledge Iran is a superpower.

Bahahaha, your a blatant whore, they'd stone you too no worries there.

[Fury]

Thought it was implied, point is american's don't get the middle east. They have a nonsensical understanding of the middle east. They attack iraq, ignored that two thirds of the pop have direct ties to Iran, they've set up Iran with an avenue into Iraq, it's power is growing, they will have the nuke shortly, there part of a balance shift that, russia and china are part of. If the west dosn't get involved there gonna loose all ability to influence the region.

Iran gets the Middle East? Hate to break it to you, but Iran is loathed by pretty much everyone in the Middle East. Not only that, but their economy sits on the verge of collapse due to the sanctions and their hard-on for nuclear weapons. They can't even refine their own oil. There is massive unrest among the Iranian populace to boot. You just don't hear about it. They'll never be anything special and are headed down the same path as North Korea.

Nice try on the flame baiting. Tell me again why anyone should care about what you have to say when you've shown yourself to be brain-dead retard who can't even type coherently?

[Grape Ape]

Nice try on the flame baiting. Tell me again why anyone should care about what you have to say when you've shown yourself to be brain-dead retard who can't even type coherently?

To be fair, in the Palin thread, he said he wanted to do a real debate and I challenged him to start a topic.  He did it, so he deserves to be debated, regardless of the shit he posts on the rest of the board.

[Lundgren]

Iran gets the Middle East? Hate to break it to you, but Iran is loathed by pretty much everyone in the Middle East. Not only that, but their economy sits on the verge of collapse due to the sanctions and their hard-on for nuclear weapons. They can't even refine their own oil. There is massive unrest among the Iranian populace to boot. You just don't hear about it. They'll never be anything special and are headed down the same path as North Korea.

Nice try on the flame baiting. Tell me again why anyone should care about what you have to say when you've shown yourself to be brain-dead retard who can't even type coherently?

So your saying there is civil unrest, nuclear weapons, and economic sanctions, well I can't see anyone ever stopping there nuclear program(especially if there so hated which I would somewhat agree) the only way to resolve this without a world meltdown would to be lift sanctions wouldn't it. Modernize it from the inside, this will breed stabilty, and empower people through involved in trade to actually forum a counter balance to the gov would it not? Just look at china they've made progress due to economic need, not because of un bullshit or anything like that. .

[Kazan]

Hmmm seems to me that the Shah while an asshole was trying to modernize Iran, which lead to the Islamic revolution and US hostages. Having nukes does not make you a super power, look at Pakistan. Besides the Iranians are/consider themselves Persians and not lowly arabs.

[Lundgren]

Hmmm seems to me that the Shah while an asshole was trying to modernize Iran, which lead to the Islamic revolution and US hostages. Having nukes does not make you a super power, look at Pakistan. Besides the Iranians are/consider themselves Persians and not lowly arabs.

Couldn't have anything to do with a little something that happened in 1953  could it? Regardless Pakistan, is kept in check by india, is too disorganized and poor to ever be a threat, not the mention the fact that Iran is just sitting on the edge of the world's oil supply.

We need to get a hold of the momentum that is building in the country, and get these trade embargo's lifted, holding the nuclear weapon programs against them is a pointless, it will never hapen, Iran has no interest is losing a security/leverage peice.

[doison]

Iran gets the Middle East? Hate to break it to you, but Iran is loathed by pretty much everyone in the Middle East. Not only that, but their economy sits on the verge of collapse due to the sanctions and their hard-on for nuclear weapons. They can't even refine their own oil. There is massive unrest among the Iranian populace to boot. You just don't hear about it. They'll never be anything special and are headed down the same path as North Korea.

Nice try on the flame baiting. Tell me again why anyone should care about what you have to say when you've shown yourself to be brain-dead retard who can't even type coherently?

they're like the arrogant Caldean at the club...talking shit and being a generalized braggart all night long.  When the drunk hillbilly finally has enough, the Caldean shows everyone what a facade his arrogance was while "snoring" through his KTFO nap on the sidewalk next to the parking lot.  

[Lundgren]

they're like the arrogant Caldean at the club...talking shit and being a generalized braggart all night long.  When the drunk hillbilly finally has enough, the Caldean shows everyone what a facade his arrogance was while "snoring" through his KTFO nap on the sidewalk next to the parking lot. 

Regardless of how you feel about them there not going anywhere. It's a real issue, and there not going away. If the iraq/afghan war means anything at all, Iran is part of the picture.

[doison]

Regardless of how you feel about them there not going anywhere. It's a real issue, and there not going away. If the iraq/afghan war means anything at all, Iran is part of the picture.

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Their economy/infrastructure can't handle a legit "world war" right now, and that's what they'll get if "shit gets real" like people are talking about.  They're not ready to be a legit nuclear power.  They know it and the real "legit" powers know it.  

If they can play tough for another decade before they wake the sleeping giants, they'll be in a different position.....but they're not there yet....which is good for the fucking economic mudslide that the US and EU are dealing with right now. 

[OzmO]

Iran a super power?  there are other things that define a super power other than just nukes don't you agree?

Iran with nuclear weapons?  Inevitable unless you remove the present leadership and put one that won't seek nukes.  good luck with that.

[Fury]

Regardless of how you feel about them there not going anywhere. It's a real issue, and there not going away. If the iraq/afghan war means anything at all, Iran is part of the picture.

You've clearly not done any reading whatsoever on Iran. Did you know that they have an unemployment rate over 20% right now? Did you know that certain demographics have a 40% unemployment rate? Did you know that Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are hated by more and more Iranians? Did you know that a computer worm pretty much destroyed their entire nuclear program and infected an unknown number of their missiles?

Their pursuit of nuclear weapons is tearing that country apart. They're not a super power and they won't be a super power. They're a paper tiger cut from the same cloth as North Korea. They talk a big game but the buck stops at talk.

[Lundgren]

You've clearly not done any reading whatsoever on Iran. Did you know that they have an unemployment rate over 20% right now? Did you know that certain demographics have a 40% unemployment rate? Did you know that Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs are hated by more and more Iranians? Did you know that a computer worm pretty much destroyed their entire nuclear program and infected an unknown number of their missiles?

Their pursuit of nuclear weapons is tearing that country apart. They're not a super power and they won't be a super power. They're a paper tiger cut from the same cloth as North Korea. They talk a big game but the buck stops at talk.

I ain't getting in arguement about their nuke program, but I would agree to their state that there in. If they get a nuke they could be a major fuckover for nearby oil. Regardless if they goto shit(wuthout nukes), wouldn't that give all the more reason for them to fuck up the middle east, I mean if Iraq/Iran/afghan's are the realm of shit, instant comedy will result.

I don't understand how you guys think were getting around dealing with them like adults.

[doison]

I ain't getting in arguement about their nuke program, but I would agree to their state that there in. If they get a nuke they could be a major fuckover for nearby oil. Regardless if they goto shit(wuthout nukes), wouldn't that give all the more reason for them to fuck up the middle east, I mean if Iraq/Iran/afghan's are the realm of shit, instant comedy will result.

I don't understand how you guys think were getting around dealing with them like adults.

Just like North Korea, people need to understand more about nuclear weapon technology.  
Nuclear weapons are not all the same....there is a VERY big difference between the 20-100 megaton fusion bombs that America and Russia can have in the air in minutes and the few kiloton fission bombs that countries like North Korea and eventually Iran can produce at the rate of about one a year.

Russia has more power "yield" in just their FOAB bombs then a first generation fission bomb that Iran would produce.  
The US has the same kind of tonnage in our MOAB arsenal as well.  

That means that we could match their nuclear strike yield-for-yield with non-nuclear weapons.  
That's equal fire power in a MUCH higher accuracy missile attack that can place that equal yield with pinpoint accuracy over many military targets.  


A nuclear attack by North Korea or a nuclear Iran doesn't mean nuclear winter (yet).  It means a low-accuracy/high fail rate missile launch at a power level proportional to the first day of "shock and awe" back in 2003.  
An attack that can be MORE than countered by non-nuclear means.  

All they do with a nuclear first strike by a kiloton fission bomb is show their rudimentary nuclear technology by pissing off the entire world for risking MAD with a pathetic pea-shooter.  

They are in a more powerful political position when they DON'T instigate a nuclear strike.  
Having nuclear technology (no matter how limited) is a way to put up a public-opinion-swaying facade that hamstrings the American (and other legit nuclear countries) government from responding in the way they'd like.  

Launching a first-gen fission attack just unveils the two inch pecker that was hidden behind all their chest thumping.

[kcballer]

This is all you need to know about Iran being 'friendly' with the Muslim world -



Right now the common enemy is America, take that away and what do you have?  Iran with ZERO allies in the middle east.  Saudi's hate them, Taliban hate them, Osama hates them, unless they are fighting against America together.  They still don't like them though.  If you are shia good luck even getting into Saudi Arabia let alone Mecca or any of the holy sites. 

Then lets talk about oil.  Saudi Arabia has the largest known oil reserves in the world.  Know who is next with verified oil reserves?  Canada.  Where are they again?  Oh yeah right above America.  Hmm  So America has friendly relations with the two biggest proven oil reserve countries.  Explain how exactly anyone should give a sh*t about Iranian oil??

[Lundgren]

The fact that the nuclear power don't change the fact that there untouchable once they have it, no one is gonna tolerate a masacre of 100 thousand people, it could cause chaos.

Regardless, Iran as it is now will change alot over the next few years. Either it will get unstable and start fucking shit up, or it will modernize, either way they can't be ignored. We gotta push them in the direction of transition without making unrealistic demands like removing the nuke program.

[kcballer]

The fact that the nuclear power don't change the fact that there untouchable once they have it, no one is gonna tolerate a masacre of 100 thousand people, it could cause chaos.

Regardless, Iran as it is now will change alot over the next few years. Either it will get unstable and start fucking shit up, or it will modernize, either way they can't be ignored. We gotta push them in the direction of transition without making unrealistic demands like removing the nuke program.

Dude you look like a moron in this thread.  Your viewpoint and reasoning is foolish why not just say they may have a nuke so we should support them?  None of this world power rubbish washes here.  We can read and know the truth even if you can't and don't.