Kiyoshi Moody - natural?

[~UN_$ung~]

You must be insane. 

I don't know if it's even worth to debate it since this case is so obvious. Only a retard and Ron Harris and Dante Doggcrapp would would vouch for this guy being a natural.

Anyway, some time ago I thought I could see gyno surgery scars in his pics. When I asked Kiyoshi about it he refused to answer. 

I was right of course. This is a PM I received here on getbig.

thats what makes kyoshi SO super

he natural androgen levels of circulating testosterone are SO high, that he is the only bodybuilder in the world that can get gyno without taking steroids

his levels of natural testosterone are SO supraphyiological, thats why he is superhuman

[_bruce_]

Liar.
Pig makes money with naive folks, but that's the way it goes.
At least he looks great in contrast to Ron Hairless.

[Samourai Pizzacat]

He manages to stay within the restrictions of 'natural' shows, fair enough.
Arguably this says a lot more about the lax drug testing these show perform, as proper and anything close to exhaustive testing would cost thousands of dollars per participant. Polygraph tests have never been shown to be scientifically sound.

I am a sceptic, Kiyoshi Moody looks way too muscular to be a protein-creatin-supplements only guy. If it looks too good to be true, it usually is. At the end of the day it doesn't matter whether I believe him, I just can not take in these suppositions without strongly questioning them.

[local hero]

this kind of thing makes all the guys in the know roll there eyes and sigh....

all the poor fuckers shelling out 100's on all the new supplements and daft new training theories eat these claims up, until they see the light and roll there eyes with the rest of us

bodybuilding is a progression, like when you find out how santa or the tooth fairy isnt real, takes a few years for the penny to drop

[~UN_$ung~]

this kind of thing makes all the guys in the know roll there eyes and sigh....

all the poor fuckers shelling out 100's on all the new supplements and daft new training theories eat these claims up, until they see the light and roll there eyes with the rest of us

bodybuilding is a progression, like when you find out how santa or the tooth fairy isnt real, takes a few years for the penny to drop

exactly!!

when you UNDERSTAND performance enhancement, and understand the sport...........there are no real surprises

yes there is a spectrum of genetics, some guys are blessed with good some guys with worse genetics............but there is a LIMIT.........there are NO supermen

when you understand what drugs do, and what different drugs do , and what different amounts of drugs do...........you know what a guy taking some winny to shread up looks like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you knwo what a guy on deca and dbol looks like.............you know what aa guy on a lot of test looks like..............you know a guy on HGH looks like.........you know what a guy on HGH and anabolics looks like.............any you KNOW WHAT  A GOOD NATURAL LOOKS LIKE



there ARE NO SURPRISES, there ARE NO SUPERMEN..............no natural can look better then arnold schwarzeneggar did on steroids.........no one has genetics that good

it even annoys me what people say "yeh, he probably does use, but you can never be sure"...............i AM sure, cause there are telling markers, and if you know what your looking at , they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know........like counting the rings on a tree.,.......the rings dont lie.........

it just frustrates me that people get duped by scumbags like kyoshi............cause it really isnt a  harmless evasion of truth.........it hurts people...........people waste DECADES in the gym, waste thousands of dollars, hurt themselves, and are forever spinning their wheels with unachievable goals cause of FUCKING DICKHEADS like KYOSHI MOODY

[First Blood]

this kind of thing makes all the guys in the know roll there eyes and sigh....

all the poor fuckers shelling out 100's on all the new supplements and daft new training theories eat these claims up, until they see the light and roll there eyes with the rest of us

bodybuilding is a progression, like when you find out how santa or the tooth fairy isnt real, takes a few years for the penny to drop

I have started to roll my eyes too. I have seen the light! 

[TrueGrit]

He is a getbigger..Getbig is home to the world's greatest naturals.

[First Blood]

exactly!!

when you UNDERSTAND performance enhancement, and understand the sport...........there are no suprises

yes there is a spectrum of genetics, some guys are blessed with good some guys with worse genetics............but there is a LIMIT.........there are NO supermen

when you understand what drugs do, and what different drugs do , and what different amounts of drugs do...........you know what a guy taking some winny to shread up looks like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you knwo what a guy on deca and dbol looks like.............you know what aa guy on a lot of test looks like..............you know a guy on HGH looks like.........you know what a guy on HGH and anabolics looks like.............any you KNOW WHAT  A GOOD NATURAL LOOKS LIKE



there ARE NO SURPRISES, there ARE NO SUPERMEN..............no natural can look better then arnold schwarzeneggar did on steroids.........no one has genetics that good

it even annoys me what people say "yeh, he probably does use, but you can never be sure"...............i AM sure, cause there are telling markers, and if you know what your looking at , they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know........like counting the rings on a tree.,.......the rings dont lie.........

it just frustrates me that people get dupedby scumbags like kyoshi............cause it really isnt harmless...........peopl e waste DECADES in the gym, waste thousands of dollars, hurth themselves, and are forever spinning their wheels with unachievable goals cause of FUCKING DICKHEADS like KYOSHI MOODY

good post  

[Schmoff]

Offseason Diet program
Meal 1- 3 scoops of iso mass extreme gainer with 2 scoops of vitargo

Meal 2- 10egg whites, 2whole eggs with 1 1/2c of oatmeal with 2tablespoons of organic peanut butter

Meal 3- 16 to 24oz of cooked chicken, 2c of white rice, 1c of green beans

Meal 4- 16 to 24oz of cooked chicken, 2c of white rice, 1c of green beans

Meal 5- 16 to 24oz of cooked steak, 2 whole sweet potatos, 1c of green beans

Meal 6- 2 scoops of iso mass extreme gainer with 2 scoops of vitargo

Meal 7- 16 to 24oz of cooked steak, 1c of grits, 1c of green beans

Meal 8- 16 to 24oz of cooked chicken, 2c of whole wheat pasta

Meal 9- 10egg whites, 2whole eggs with 1 1/2c of oatmeal with 2tablespoons of organic peanut butter or 2scoops of casein and 1 scoop of whey isolate and 1cup of white rice

Cheat meals were on tuesdays and saturdays. They were included with all the other meals.

Supplements used:

Xtend- 6scoops 5times per day
Digestive enzymes- 2pills every meal
Vitargo 2x not including preworkout, intra and post
Superpump or whiteflood or EVP
Multivitamin 2x/day
Potassium 2x/day
Sizeon or crealyze 2sccops 2x/day
Isomass extreme gainer(protein)
Iso 100 (protein by dymatize)
NanoX9, 10pills/day
Omega pills 1pill 3x/day
Joint supps, 5pills, 2x/day

Precontest is carb cycling!
This is what I did this offseason. Sometimes I exchanged fish for chicken. The first 2 weeks on this diet was very hard because my body wasn't use to the food! The digetive enzymes helped a lot!

and this is his off-season diet, 

[lesaucer]

and this is his off-season diet, 

maybe all those supplements work for real!! 

[Samourai Pizzacat]

There is always the possibility that he is one in a million in terms of natural potential, he might be the 'black swan' that disproves the theory that you can't look like that without anabolics. Is it the most sensible assumption to go by? Of course not.

[Monster_Everything]

There is always the possibility that he is one in a million in terms of natural potential, he might be the 'black swan' that disproves the theory that you can't look like that without anabolics. Is it the most sensible assumption to go by? Of course not.

Getbig is filled with 'black swans' ....and huge ar y an ones too..

[Jaime]

How much does this ugly guy weigh?

[Samourai Pizzacat]

Getbig is filled with 'black swans' ....and huge ar y an ones too..

Swans....not queens..

[che]

Moody is a lying piece of shit.

[Benny B]

exactly!!

when you UNDERSTAND performance enhancement, and understand the sport...........there are no real surprises

yes there is a spectrum of genetics, some guys are blessed with good some guys with worse genetics............but there is a LIMIT.........there are NO supermen

when you understand what drugs do, and what different drugs do , and what different amounts of drugs do...........you know what a guy taking some winny to shread up looks like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you knwo what a guy on deca and dbol looks like.............you know what aa guy on a lot of test looks like..............you know a guy on HGH looks like.........you know what a guy on HGH and anabolics looks like.............any you KNOW WHAT  A GOOD NATURAL LOOKS LIKE



there ARE NO SURPRISES, there ARE NO SUPERMEN..............no natural can look better then arnold schwarzeneggar did on steroids.........no one has genetics that good

it even annoys me what people say "yeh, he probably does use, but you can never be sure"...............i AM sure, cause there are telling markers, and if you know what your looking at , they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know........like counting the rings on a tree.,.......the rings dont lie.........

it just frustrates me that people get duped by scumbags like kyoshi............cause it really isnt a  harmless evasion of truth.........it hurts people...........people waste DECADES in the gym, waste thousands of dollars, hurt themselves, and are forever spinning their wheels with unachievable goals cause of FUCKING DICKHEADS like KYOSHI MOODY

meltdown

[Disgusted]

there is absolutely no proof of this guy being a user, and his record even from the start is in drug tested and polygraph tested contests...

he claims he is natural, his physique is good, he's been training for some time...

the real losers are those who dont think anything can be achieved without steroids.

you need to get out a little and meet some gifted muscle athletes...

even the ancient iron agers who didnt have gear to choose from sported decent physiques and that was 60 years ago when calorie contents werent printed on packaging and smoking was the norm.

ill take him at his word and until the proof balances his claims (and all your pathetic "proof" is is a bunch of insults and speculation without a hint of motive or anything suspicious).

in 60 years some things are learned, and things have come a long way. You know we flew to the moon after not even knowing how to fly in 60 years.

unsung ill say it again- you are truly a dickhead.

hope this helps.

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[the_swami]

i know some of you WANT SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BADLY to believe he is natural, cause your afraid to take steroids, and you want to believe you can naturally fashion a physique comparable to that with a lot of time and hard work



but separate yourself from your emotional need to believe and lets think about this RATIONALLY


in this photo here..............moody looks bigger, crisper, leaner, better then any of those guys who competed back in the "golden age"...............looks better then zane, better then ferrigno, better then arnold, looks better then metzner

so are you actually gonna believe that this guys genetics are SO fucking superb.............that naturally.............he could look better in every way then zane, arnold, louie, franco  did on steroids

i think we can agree that arnold and zane had some pretty good bodybuilding genetics.........do you really believe that arnold and zanes genetics were so inferior to moodys that even taking gear the could never look as good as him on stage



this guy is a lying fuckin scumbag............anyon e who knows ANYTHING about the look growth hormone gives a physique can EASILY tell this guy is on growth.........ans he is on PLENTY of steroids too, he just knows how to manipulate them

look at the guys he is standing next to ( who themselves arent natural) and look at how he is dominating them............with this physique in this picture, he could do damage in the light heavies at nationals


if you want to believe that LIAR MOODY is just SO genetically blessed...........that he is some kind of superhuman.........that he could look better then most national level untested competitors............. .i REALLY feel sorry for you

people like this guy really are the bottom of the barrel........let him stay on the "positive" board when a few delusionites suck on his androgen-shrunken nutsack...........cause he knows if he stepped on the main board he would get owned and exposed like the lying c0cksucker he is............cause although there are a lot of idiots who post on the G&O who know NOTHING about bodybuilding (noworries, disco stu, ect)............there are also plenty of guys that have been around and who know exactly what this assholes game is

great post!

[Disgusted]

I believe him!  I've seen him compete before and after the show I ran into him and his wife at a pizza joint.   Seeing him off stage leads me to believe natural.  He didn't have a chemical look to him, wasn't huge in person!  Under the stage lights he looked awesome.  Turned out to be a very friendly humble guy.  I believe!  Congrats kiyoshi

So by that logic you would have thought Arnold was natural too if you had happen to meet him in the offsean. Hell Kevin Levrone was natural too then.

[the_swami]

exactly!!

when you UNDERSTAND performance enhancement, and understand the sport...........there are no real surprises

yes there is a spectrum of genetics, some guys are blessed with good some guys with worse genetics............but there is a LIMIT.........there are NO supermen

when you understand what drugs do, and what different drugs do , and what different amounts of drugs do...........you know what a guy taking some winny to shread up looks like,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you knwo what a guy on deca and dbol looks like.............you know what aa guy on a lot of test looks like..............you know a guy on HGH looks like.........you know what a guy on HGH and anabolics looks like.............any you KNOW WHAT  A GOOD NATURAL LOOKS LIKE



there ARE NO SURPRISES, there ARE NO SUPERMEN..............no natural can look better then arnold schwarzeneggar did on steroids.........no one has genetics that good

it even annoys me what people say "yeh, he probably does use, but you can never be sure"...............i AM sure, cause there are telling markers, and if you know what your looking at , they tell you EVERYTHING you need to know........like counting the rings on a tree.,.......the rings dont lie.........

it just frustrates me that people get duped by scumbags like kyoshi............cause it really isnt a  harmless evasion of truth.........it hurts people...........people waste DECADES in the gym, waste thousands of dollars, hurt themselves, and are forever spinning their wheels with unachievable goals cause of FUCKING DICKHEADS like KYOSHI MOODY

another great post, telling it like it is

all these NATURLA LIARS like MOODY< ADE RAI< KOMNAG ARNAWA< KEITH BULLOBCK ALL LIARS

[che]

I know for a fact that  his 115lbs girlfriend is also juicing (true story ).

[jaejonna]

I know for a fact that  his 115lbs girlfriend is also juicing (true story ).

who is he Roger Clemens ?? Oh yeah he didn't juice either.

[el numero uno]

I would believe than layne norton is natural, I think a guy like doug miller is stupid for think we would believe he's natural. But this guy Kioshy M is in another level, he is pretty pretty pretty fucked up in his mind, he looks almost exactly like any other IFBB pro and he comes here telling us he's natural??? Yes he looks awesome but don't treat people like we are mental challenged

[Master Blaster]

fela,,..all 3 fellas on photo uses minimum 2g+of aas.. kiyoshi moddu fella runs aas+GH! see fulness of shoulders and traps compard to other 2 fella, 8ius+ of GH is why. GH is reason he is fuller from everywhere legs,arms,shoulders!! more muscle fibers than other fella=GH+aas to blow them fibers up!!!

gh15 approved

NICE 

[DroppingPlates]

Esp Asians have a strong tend to lie (no racist, just "life experience")