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Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« on: December 01, 2010, 08:13:50 AM »
Editor's Notes: Exposed by WikiLeaks
By DAVID HOROVITZ 
12/01/2010 06:34
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=197477

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Obama, we now know, had the diplomatic cables to prove that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict was no obstacle to wide Arab backing for the toughest possible measures against Iran.
   
After the first meeting between newish President Barack Obama and new Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu in May of 2009, I wrote in these pages about the “acutely uncomfortable clash of divergent outlooks” so readily evident at their media conference.

I noted that while the Netanyahu camp had “rushed to talk up a purported meeting of minds over Iran,” it was plain that there was a gulf between the two men on the issue. Specially, I wrote, it had been Netanyahu’s hope that he would persuade Obama of the imperative to halt the Iranian nuclear drive “as a precondition for encouraging Arab moderation and thus enabling progress with the Palestinians, and on this he failed.”

Instead, I pointed out, “Obama insistently placed tackling the Palestinian issue – which has defeated even the most generous and flexible Israeli governments – on the road to fixing Iran.”

While Israel had argued internationally that stopping Iran would enable headway with the Palestinians, and other foreign heads of state, senior ministers and diplomats had politely suggested it was best to try to chivvy both processes along simultaneously, Obama, I observed, “has gone all the way over to the other side, and done so in public.”

I was referring to the president’s assertion, publicly contradicting Netanyahu, that, “If there is a linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process, I personally believe it actually runs the other way. To the extent that we can make peace with the Palestinians – between the Palestinians and the Israelis – then I actually think it strengthens our hand in the international community in dealing with a potential Iranian threat.”


 
In that column and many others since, I have often come back to Obama’s unconvincing assertion that Netanyahu, and much of Israel besides, has the Iran- Palestinian equation wrong. I often noted how illogical it seemed for Obama to argue that there was a good prospect of dramatic progress on the Palestinian front even while Iran, and by extension, Palestinian extremists, were in the ascendant, and how much more room for optimism there would be on the Palestinian front if Iran had been faced down, its nuclear march halted, and relative moderates throughout the region emboldened and empowered.


To my mind, the president’s thinking defied common sense. Now we know, however, that it also defied the concrete information he was receiving from his own diplomats.

THE OBAMA administration, it is now clear for all to see, was not pressing a reluctant Netanyahu to make settlement-freeze and other concessions to the Palestinians in part because it truly believed this would be helpful in generating wider support for tackling Iran.

Not at all. The United States, we now know courtesy of WikiLeaks, was being repeatedly urged by a succession of Arab leaders to smash an Iranian nuclear program they feared would destabilize the entire region and put their regimes at risk. Their priority was, and is, battering Ahmadinejad, not bolstering Abbas.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, in 2008, had not urged the US to chivvy those recalcitrant Israelis toward concessions to the Palestinians as a pre-condition for grudging Saudi support for a firmer US-led position against Iran. Anything but. Never mind the Palestinians, the king simply implored Washington to “cut off the head of the [Iranian] snake.”

Likewise, with minor variations in the course of the following year, the rulers of Bahrain and Abu Dhabi.

We are now starting to hear, courtesy of WikiLeaks, what Jordan and Egypt had to say on the matter too.

Obama, that is, was not the prisoner of a misconception, convinced in absolute good faith that if he could deliver Israeli concessions at the negotiating table he might stand a greater chance of getting the Arabs on board for the battle with the mullahs. No, he had the diplomatic cables to prove that the Israeli- Palestinian conflict was no obstacle to wide Arab backing, indeed wide Arab entreaties, for the toughest possible measures against Iran, emphatically including military action.

Either the president, it can be concluded, was so attached to his misconception that he refused to let the concrete information he had on Arab leaders’ thinking get in the way – sticking to his view of the region in defiance of the facts.

Or, more plausibly, he had internalized full well that he didn’t actually need the cover of a substantive Israeli-Palestinian peace process to generate Arab support for tackling Iran’s nuclear program, but chose to pressure Israel just the same, as a tactic, because he felt Israel was not being sufficiently forthcoming on the Palestinian front.

Neither explanation sits well, to put it mildly.

TELL NETANYAHU – who at the time of their first meeting had yet to endorse the two-state solution, and who is extremely unlikely to repeat the peace offer that Ehud Olmert had spurned by Abbas – that you feel he should be doing more? That’s fair enough.

What’s not fair enough is to indicate to the Israeli prime minister, when it’s patently untrue, that he ought to put aside some of his skepticism and take risks for peace because otherwise Israel might impede the US’s capacity to thwart the genocidal enemy, Iran.

In that May 2009 column, I noted that “If building international, and more specifically regional pressure on Iran is perceived to be contingent on dramatic progress toward resolving our vexed conflict with the Palestinians, the outlook may be bleak indeed. To judge by the fate of Israel’s peace overtures since the early 1990s, the Iranians, one can only fear, would be up to their eyes in enriched uranium before there’s a breakthrough here.”

So now here we are 18 months later. The peace process is deadlocked and Iran is indeed a good deal closer to the bomb. And the Obama administration has been pressing Israel for a second settlement freeze, even though Abbas wasted the last one, even though Netanyahu has demonstrably sought to encourage reconciliation by improving the economic climate on the West Bank, and even though Israel’s uncertainty about its Palestinian partner is magnified every time Fatah derides the legitimacy of a Jewish nation-state or the PA endorses “research” denying Jewish sovereign history here.

Until WikiLeaks, the US was presumably still reminding Israel of its view that the “linkage between Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process… runs the other way.”

That the route to thwarting Teheran runs via Jerusalem. That, whatever Israel’s misgivings, it should consider giving ground on the Palestinian front in part because of the demands of the wider struggle against Iran.

What’s the president going to tell Israel now?


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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 08:15:54 AM »
Either the president, it can be concluded, was so attached to his misconception that he refused to let the concrete information he had on Arab leaders’ thinking get in the way – sticking to his view of the region in defiance of the facts.

Or, more plausibly, he had internalized full well that he didn’t actually need the cover of a substantive Israeli-Palestinian peace process to generate Arab support for tackling Iran’s nuclear program, but chose to pressure Israel just the same, as a tactic, because he felt Israel was not being sufficiently forthcoming on the Palestinian front.

Neither explanation sits well, to put it mildly.



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Ha ha - you can apply this formula of obama on perhaps every single issue he deals with. 

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 08:18:08 AM »
wait, why should I care about Israel again?

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 08:20:37 AM »
wait, why should I care about Israel again?

Not that you should care about Israel - but the news is that obama has been touting lies about the ME that we now know he can't claim to be oblivious to.

To me, the issue is one of Obama again puttng his own selfish ageda before what the facts and reality on the ground are. 

Same with economics, heath care, energy, etc.   

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« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 08:23:25 AM »
Not that you should care about Israel - but the news is that obama has been touting lies about the ME that we now know he can't claim to be oblivious to.

To me, the issue is one of Obama again puttng his own selfish ageda before what the facts and reality on the ground are. 

Same with economics, heath care, energy, etc.   
so this would negate your possible CT on Obama with wikileaks then?

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 08:26:09 AM »
so this would negate your possible CT on Obama with wikileaks then?

I don't think so because in the whole scheme of things, this wn't get much play. 

Hillary is still going down and Obama i off the hook now from attacking Iran since he can blame SA for wanting ths to happen.   

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 08:30:41 AM »
I don't think so because in the whole scheme of things, this wn't get much play. 

Hillary is still going down and Obama i off the hook now from attacking Iran since he can blame SA for wanting ths to happen.   
so this issue is minor then?

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 08:34:12 AM »
so this issue is minor then?

In the scheme of things?  Yes. 

But to me - it shows just how far obama will go to lie about an issue just to push his own agenda.  He knew damn well Israel/Pali conflict had nothing to do with iran yet kep spouting that lie eve as other ME countries told him as such. 

 

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 08:36:13 AM »
33,

if assange is a POS willing to do anything to undermine the US position in the world -

Why would you promote any article espousing the state secrets he is revealing?  Because you happen to AGREE with it?

Shit man, this shit is anti-american.  To repeat details hurts our nation, man.

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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 08:38:57 AM »
33,

if assange is a POS willing to do anything to undermine the US position in the world -

Why would you promote any article espousing the state secrets he is revealing?  Because you happen to AGREE with it?

Shit man, this shit is anti-american.  To repeat details hurts our nation, man.

Assange is not the bad guy hear.  He is what he is, the messenger.     The real culprit is manning. 

BTW - I'm glad we are finding out the lies told by the govt.   

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 09:24:40 AM »
Assange is not the bad guy hear.  He is what he is, the messenger.     The real culprit is manning.  

BTW - I'm glad we are finding out the lies told by the govt.    

So are you for or against Wikileaks?

Or does that purely depend on the content? ???
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 09:27:38 AM »
So are you for or against Wikileaks?

Or does that purely depend on the content? ???

Look, do I like secrets being leeked out?  Not really.  However, once they are out there we should deal with the truth we learn. 

I blame those who swore to keep these secrets, not those who put them in the public. 

That being sai, I am dead setagainst military secrets being leakedwhile soldiers are in the field. 

But this story to me is revealing and confirms everything I hve ever felt about obama - he is a lying maniuplative sack of shit. 

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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 09:32:28 AM »
Look, do I like secrets being leeked out?  Not really.  However, once they are out there we should deal with the truth we learn. 

I blame those who swore to keep these secrets, not those who put them in the public. 

That being sai, I am dead setagainst military secrets being leakedwhile soldiers are in the field. 

But this story to me is revealing and confirms everything I hve ever felt about obama - he is a lying maniuplative sack of shit. 

For the record: I think these latest revelations about Obama are very interesting.

I don't know if it will hurt or help in the long run that stuff like the Chinamans assement on North Korea gets out.

Time will tell.

But in general, I am all in favor of people leaking conceived lies.

Because that's really what they did here - Hillary said one thing publicly. And did another secretly (allegedly).

So hypocrisy getting exposed is great.

And we need people who are prepared to leak about these things.

Like Deep throat - Mark Felt - during Nixon.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 09:41:33 AM »
I know a degree of secrecy needs to be maintained - but i also dont want to hear that lies and sheer hypocrisy like this is good either. 

Its like Bush:  "I had to destroy the free market system to save it" 

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Re: Wikileaks has exposed Obamas' lies towards Israel
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 11:00:38 AM »
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do you agree with palin that assange should be capped?

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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 11:05:51 AM »
33,

do you agree with palin that assange should be capped?

No - I think manning should be capped.

Assange is just the messenger and whoever Manning would have leaked the info to would have done the same thing whether it be DU, FR,HP, RCP, Etc.     


However, this story proves what i have said about Obama from day 1, he is a lying, manipulative, arrogant, piece of shit.   

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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 11:45:42 AM »
However, this story proves what i have said about Obama from day 1, he is a lying, manipulative, arrogant, piece of shit.   

Will you be re-posting all sorts of other classified govt info, as long as it makes obama look bad?

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« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 11:51:56 AM »
Will you be re-posting all sorts of other classified govt info, as long as it makes obama look bad?

If it showed him lying and scapegoating jews like obama has, yes fuck him.