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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2010, 01:52:22 PM »
Bush had a weak dollar policy as well. 
so GW's agenda caused petro to sky rocket?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2010, 02:42:10 PM »
Oh God Lord.... yet ANOTHER thread to blow up in 333s face because he failed to think things out before rushing on with his Obama crying.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2010, 03:04:47 PM »
Blow up on me?  Wtf are you talking about? 

You think it is sheer coincidence that gold silver food health care and yes oil, are all jumping now? 

I guess in retard land where you mal, and the rest of the obamabots reside there is no connection enacting draconian legilaslation, printing trillions of dollars of phantom money, and higher costs of commodities and goods? 

Stick with taking pics of twinks in bathing suits, reality aint working out too well for you. 


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #53 on: December 05, 2010, 11:06:27 AM »
Once again when nothing is left of fall back on, the latent self loathing homosexuality of 333 begins projecting.

You just got schooled from bell to bell on this thread once again.  But hey...  just like Cortland you jump up clapping to yourself while hoping the rest of the universe didn't see you just get pounded into the ground. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #54 on: December 08, 2010, 05:08:54 AM »
Once again when nothing is left of fall back on, the latent self loathing homosexuality of 333 begins projecting.

You just got schooled from bell to bell on this thread once again.  But hey...  just like Cortland you jump up clapping to yourself while hoping the rest of the universe didn't see you just get pounded into the ground. 

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The 'tax' you can't avoid: Oil prices rising
 By Paul R. La Monica, assistant managing editor
December 6, 2010: 1:45 PM ET
http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/06/news/economy/thebuzz/index.htm



NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The price of crude is perilously close to $90 a barrel and the average cost for a gallon of gas is inching toward $3 nationwide. If they keep climbing, that could put a serious dent in economic recovery hopes for 2011.

A spike in oil and gas prices is often referred to as a tax on consumers. That's because people have little choice but to suck it up and pay higher prices. As a result, consumers may spend less on other things that are not considered as vital.


Part of the problem is that the Federal Reserve may be fueling (pardon the pun) the rise in oil with its controversial plan to buy $600 billion in long-term Treasury bonds.

Fed critics argue that this quantitative easing program, the second since the onset of the financial crisis two years ago, may weaken the dollar further and lead to higher commodity prices.

Fed chairman Ben Bernanke defended the so-called QE2 plan in an appearance on 60 Minutes Sunday night.

He also didn't rule out the possibility of more asset purchases if the economy remains weak in 2011. That may give rise to fears of a QE3-inspired super spike in commodity prices.

But Zach Pandl, an economist with Nomura Securities in New York, said he does not think there will be a drastic increase in energy costs.

Pandl argued that the Fed, despite a stance that inflation in the broadest sense is not an issue, is cognizant of how higher oil prices could cause more problems for consumers.

"Higher commodity prices could sap households' real income. That is a concern for the Fed," he said. "It is a clear, tangible cost of quantitative easing and a reason for the Fed to consider whether the expansion of the program is appropriate."

Track the price of oil and other commodities
Pandl said consumers should be able to withstand current prices as long as they don't rise much further. He said oil would need to hit $95 to $100 a barrel and stay there before it had a noticeable effect on the economy.

However, Keith Hembre, chief economist with First American Funds in Minneapolis, argues that oil prices could rise to that threshold before long.

"With the Fed pumping more cash into the system, the path of least resistance is higher oil prices yet. I do think we'll grind up to $100 a barrel," he said.


0:00 /2:28Preparing for the end of cheap oil
Hembre said that it's clear Bernanke is most interested in preventing deflation and helping to spur an increase in the prices of homes, stocks and other key assets. As such, Hembre is a bit concerned the Fed may be underestimating the impact higher energy prices will have on consumers.

That's not good news at a time when the unemployment rate remains close to 10% and corporations are citing a slow pickup in consumer spending as a reason to not hire a lot more workers.

"Economic growth could be offset to a certain degree from higher commodity prices," he said.

Others also think higher energy prices are in the offing. Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst with Oil Price Information Service, an energy trade publication based in Wall, N.J., said the average cost of a gallon of gas could rise to between $3.25 and $3.50 in early 2011.

China's risky inflation offensive
That, coupled with the possibility of higher heating oil costs this winter, could make consumers think twice about how much they need to spend on discretionary items next year.

"It's a tenuous recovery and a lot of the recent strength in the economy is based on the notion that there have been great retail sales reports," Kloza said. "But if gas prices spike this spring, that could do a significant amount of damage to consumer spending."

Of course, it is unfair to overlook other reasons for the increase in energy prices. Emerging market economies such as China and India are growing at a healthy clip.

"Oil prices are also rising because of greater demand globally. It's not just quantitative easing," said Pandl.

That may be true. There also are few fears for the time being that oil will approach the record levels of over $140 a barrel from the summer of 2008. Gas prices rose to a peak of $4.11 a gallon in the midst of the oil rally.

But Kloza believes low interest rates for a long period of time will continue to make oil an attractive investment for money managers. That could mean oil and gas prices will rise at a faster rate than what you'd expect from the normal economic forces of supply and demand.

"Will higher prices stick? Oil is almost at $90 because there is a heck of a lot of investment money in oil," he said. "I refer to this as the shadow cartel. Investors believe parking money in oil is a prudent policy over the next few years."

- The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Paul R. La Monica. Other than Time Warner, the parent of CNNMoney.com, and Abbott Laboratories, La Monica does not own positions in any individual stocks. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #55 on: December 08, 2010, 05:41:13 AM »
Reading from Page 1, it is still you who ate it.

Keep trying, maybe one day you can post a relevant thread.  Or at least come back to this one when you understand limited natural resources.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #56 on: December 08, 2010, 05:47:50 AM »
Blow up on me?  Wtf are you talking about? 

You think it is sheer coincidence that gold silver food health care and yes oil, are all jumping now? 

I guess in retard land where you mal, and the rest of the obamabots reside there is no connection enacting draconian legilaslation, printing trillions of dollars of phantom money, and higher costs of commodities and goods? 

Stick with taking pics of twinks in bathing suits, reality aint working out too well for you. 



Seems about right to me lickbamaballsmore   

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #57 on: December 08, 2010, 05:59:07 AM »
Because you are an idiot.  Seems about right to me.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #58 on: December 08, 2010, 09:21:39 AM »
P.S. we've already reached 'peak oil' in some estimates so oil will only go up regardless of what we do offshore, onshore or anywhere.  You notice consumption is down over 1% but prices haven't changed?  Nothing any US admin can do will change the higher price of oil as the world economies pick back up.  So really stop harping on about bullsh*t that amounts to putting a band aid on a bullet wound. 

Oil WILL rise, YOU will pay more and you only have government inability and public stupidity to blame for not creating and funding an alternative. 

They have actually gone up here in CA. and this is suppose to be the 'cheap' time on the year.

Gonna be insane this coming summer.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2010, 09:25:50 AM »
They have actually gone up here in CA. and this is suppose to be the 'cheap' time on the year.

Gonna be insane this coming summer.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #60 on: December 08, 2010, 09:31:06 AM »
Paid $3.30 lat night. 


couple of summers ago before obama i paid $4.60

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #61 on: December 08, 2010, 09:33:44 AM »
Paid $3.30 lat night. 

Paid $3.47 for diesel last night.

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #62 on: December 08, 2010, 10:36:44 AM »
It's funny just how clueless 333 is on this subject.
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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #63 on: December 08, 2010, 10:40:14 AM »
It's funny just how clueless 333 is on this subject.

Really?   So CNNMONEY is clueless as well? 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #64 on: December 08, 2010, 10:41:03 AM »
It's funny just how clueless 333 is on this subject.

The 'tax' you can't avoid: Oil prices rising
 By Paul R. La Monica, assistant managing editor
December 6, 2010: 1:45 PM EThttp://money.cnn.com/2010/12/06/news/economy/thebuzz/index.htm




NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The price of crude is perilously close to $90 a barrel and the average cost for a gallon of gas is inching toward $3 nationwide. If they keep climbing, that could put a serious dent in economic recovery hopes for 2011.

A spike in oil and gas prices is often referred to as a tax on consumers. That's because people have little choice but to suck it up and pay higher prices. As a result, consumers may spend less on other things that are not considered as vital.


Part of the problem is that the Federal Reserve may be fueling (pardon the pun) the rise in oil with its controversial plan to buy $600 billion in long-term Treasury bonds.

Fed critics argue that this quantitative easing program, the second since the onset of the financial crisis two years ago, may weaken the dollar further and lead to higher commodity prices.

Fed chairman Ben Bernanke defended the so-called QE2 plan in an appearance on 60 Minutes Sunday night.

He also didn't rule out the possibility of more asset purchases if the economy remains weak in 2011. That may give rise to fears of a QE3-inspired super spike in commodity prices.

But Zach Pandl, an economist with Nomura Securities in New York, said he does not think there will be a drastic increase in energy costs.

Pandl argued that the Fed, despite a stance that inflation in the broadest sense is not an issue, is cognizant of how higher oil prices could cause more problems for consumers.

"Higher commodity prices could sap households' real income. That is a concern for the Fed," he said. "It is a clear, tangible cost of quantitative easing and a reason for the Fed to consider whether the expansion of the program is appropriate."

Track the price of oil and other commodities
Pandl said consumers should be able to withstand current prices as long as they don't rise much further. He said oil would need to hit $95 to $100 a barrel and stay there before it had a noticeable effect on the economy.

However, Keith Hembre, chief economist with First American Funds in Minneapolis, argues that oil prices could rise to that threshold before long.

"With the Fed pumping more cash into the system, the path of least resistance is higher oil prices yet. I do think we'll grind up to $100 a barrel," he said.


0:00 /2:28Preparing for the end of cheap oil
Hembre said that it's clear Bernanke is most interested in preventing deflation and helping to spur an increase in the prices of homes, stocks and other key assets. As such, Hembre is a bit concerned the Fed may be underestimating the impact higher energy prices will have on consumers.

That's not good news at a time when the unemployment rate remains close to 10% and corporations are citing a slow pickup in consumer spending as a reason to not hire a lot more workers.

"Economic growth could be offset to a certain degree from higher commodity prices," he said.

Others also think higher energy prices are in the offing. Tom Kloza, chief oil analyst with Oil Price Information Service, an energy trade publication based in Wall, N.J., said the average cost of a gallon of gas could rise to between $3.25 and $3.50 in early 2011.

China's risky inflation offensive
That, coupled with the possibility of higher heating oil costs this winter, could make consumers think twice about how much they need to spend on discretionary items next year.

"It's a tenuous recovery and a lot of the recent strength in the economy is based on the notion that there have been great retail sales reports," Kloza said. "But if gas prices spike this spring, that could do a significant amount of damage to consumer spending."

Of course, it is unfair to overlook other reasons for the increase in energy prices. Emerging market economies such as China and India are growing at a healthy clip.

"Oil prices are also rising because of greater demand globally. It's not just quantitative easing," said Pandl.

That may be true. There also are few fears for the time being that oil will approach the record levels of over $140 a barrel from the summer of 2008. Gas prices rose to a peak of $4.11 a gallon in the midst of the oil rally.

But Kloza believes low interest rates for a long period of time will continue to make oil an attractive investment for money managers. That could mean oil and gas prices will rise at a faster rate than what you'd expect from the normal economic forces of supply and demand.

"Will higher prices stick? Oil is almost at $90 because there is a heck of a lot of investment money in oil," he said. "I refer to this as the shadow cartel. Investors believe parking money in oil is a prudent policy over the next few years."

- The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Paul R. La Monica. Other than Time Warner, the parent of CNNMoney.com, and Abbott Laboratories, La Monica does not own positions in any individual stocks. 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #65 on: December 08, 2010, 10:44:27 AM »
The strongest manufacturing numbers coming out of the Chinese economy in a seven-month period, coupled with plunging oil inventories in the world’s largest energy consuming economy, have sent oil (CL-FT88.34-0.35-0.39%) prices to a 25-month high. With no let-up in China’s fuel demand, the world should be looking at triple-digit oil prices again within a quarter.

That may come as a shock to those who thought the bloated oil inventories that came in the wake of the last recession would provide a buffer against future oil price spikes. Suddenly, that buffer has literally gone up in smoke.

Refined oil stocks held by China’s two largest oil companies have fallen for eight consecutive months, while diesel stocks in the country fell 14 per cent in October. And the tightening oil market won’t just be felt in China. The 140 million gallons of international oil inventories sloshing around in floating storage on the high seas is also all but gone.

With oil prices within striking distance of triple-digit levels, don’t look for any price relief at the upcoming OPEC meeting in Ecuador. Venezuelan energy and oil minister Rafael Ramirez was recently quoted as saying that $100 (U.S.) per barrel was a fair price for both consumers and producers. (But not for cab drivers in Caracas, who will continue to be able to purchase their fuel at $20 per gallon, the equivalent of a little over $8 per barrel). Meanwhile, King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia has already served notice that, without triple-digit prices, there is little incentive for new oil exploration in his kingdom.

In other words, without the return of the kinds of oil prices that put the world economy into the deepest ever post-war recession, we shouldn’t expect major oil producing countries to find and develop new supply. Yet, according to the recently released World Energy Outlook from the International Energy Agency (IEA), world oil demand has never been more dependent on finding new supply.

How the goal posts have moved when it comes to oil prices and supply forecasts. Just as the IEA has finally recognized the reality of peak oil—at least insofar as affordable conventional oil is concerned—triple-digit oil prices have become the new normal in OPEC’s price expectations.

When both OPEC, an organization representing 40 per cent of world oil production, and the IEA, representing countries that consume roughly 50 per cent of the world’s oil, both now acknowledge the imminent return of triple-digit oil prices, perhaps it’s time our policy-makers should as well.

Our last encounter with those prices was brief but decisive. Oil demand collapsed, and, since oil powers our economy, so did GDP. What steps we have taken to ensure the same thing doesn’t happen again is far from clear.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/commentary/jeff-rubins-smaller-world/what-will-2011-bring-triple-digit-oil/article1826709/

Yeah it's all Bernake's fault he's telling the Saudi's to hold off on production and Venezuala to push prices higher  ::)  Those countries and China's continuing demand have nothing to do with it at all right?  It's all Obama and deflation. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #66 on: December 08, 2010, 10:48:44 AM »
And what are we doing - cutting off supply and not expanding refining capacity.

Guess what cluebag - we are part of the problem here bcause of our green induced suicide. 

e would never have had an industrial revolution in the 1800's  if we have the green fanatics around to deal with.   

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #67 on: December 08, 2010, 10:56:31 AM »
And what are we doing - cutting off supply and not expanding refining capacity.

Guess what cluebag - we are part of the problem here bcause of our green induced suicide. 

e would never have had an industrial revolution in the 1800's  if we have the green fanatics around to deal with.   

 ::)  Still no clue i see.  All our refineries are running at 100% it takes years to build new ones and by the time they are operational who is to say they will even be able to run at 100% or that oil will be any cheaper.  Your constant Obama hating clouds you from making even the most basic decisions.  It's sad really to see you degenerate into little more than a right wing troll constantly posting the same thing over and over without a clue for the facts. 

PIP 333 you were once thoughtful, now you're a troll.
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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #68 on: December 08, 2010, 11:01:33 AM »
Ha ha  ha ha ha - i love that excuse from the green cult.  Truly laughable bogus crap.   

"It will take years" has been said from as long as I remember and had we done it during clinton or GWB, we would be in better shape. 

What you enviro marxists dont get is that if we dont have afforable energy, the entire nation shuts down.  but I guess you guys wants that anyway.     

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #69 on: December 08, 2010, 11:03:15 AM »
And what are we doing - cutting off supply and not expanding refining capacity.

   
yeah thats an Obama only thing there right  ::) ...dumbass

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« Reply #70 on: December 08, 2010, 11:07:13 AM »
yeah thats an Obama only thing there right  ::) ...dumbass

No its not only him - its the EPA, law suits from "public interest groups",  regulations, and other red tape bogus nonsense. 

And remember - bama already said his goal is to jack our energy prices.    Fuck him - let his stupid, incompetent, ass pay my gasoline bill. 


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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #71 on: December 08, 2010, 01:34:47 PM »
Ha ha  ha ha ha - i love that excuse from the green cult.  Truly laughable bogus crap.   

"It will take years" has been said from as long as I remember and had we done it during clinton or GWB, we would be in better shape. 

What you enviro marxists dont get is that if we dont have afforable energy, the entire nation shuts down.  but I guess you guys wants that anyway.     

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #72 on: December 08, 2010, 01:49:12 PM »
Troll?  Its reality - we do everything possible to keep the price high whether it be money counterfieting schemes via the FED, enivro wacko shit, etc. 


Environmentalists, Kenysians, et al are the best buddies the Saudis could ever dream of. 

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #73 on: December 08, 2010, 01:57:39 PM »
It's funny just how clueless 333 is on this subject.

As I pointed out.

Then again can you think of any subject that he isn't clueless on?

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Re: Obama Admn keeping Oil drilling ban ($5 a gallon gas here we come)
« Reply #74 on: December 08, 2010, 02:01:26 PM »
As I pointed out.

Then again can you think of any subject that he isn't clueless on?

So you tell me you fucking ignorant gay jackass why GOLD, SILVER, OIL, FOOD and commodities are skyrocketing? 


hhhmmmm? ? ? ? ? ?