Enough with the gh15 obsession- for the getbig veterans.

[Lord of the Roidz]

Bullshit. Seriously, where do you come up with this shit?

 I hit 180lbs at only 5'8", nevermind 5'11", with single digit bf%, and I've never taken so much as a prohormone in my life.

It's no wonder that most of the kids here don't know what a true natural physique is as they haven't put in the 10-20-30 years required to build one and resort to taking the junkie route after a few years of training, mainly thanks to the advice of people like yourself advocating drug use.

Exactly...Also, most Pro bodybuilders have genetics that would allow them to be bigger than Gh15's natural weight limits..which leads me to believe he isn't a pro. If you've read all his posts over the years..you'll see he has an almost identical philosophy to a certain Romanian poster on here...who due to his poor genetics and weak drug response..still only looks mediocre after 100mg a day d-bol cycles. Since he can't accept the fact that anyone on the planet has better genetics and drug response than himself, he comes up with this "True naturals at 5'9 can only weigh 150 ripped.. nonsense"...although this guy has no trouble believeing that aliens and Reptile/lizard men are pulling the strings here on earth. Hilarious.

[gh15]

Bullshit. Seriously, where do you come up with this shit?

 I hit 180lbs at only 5'8", nevermind 5'11", with single digit bf%, and I've never taken so much as a prohormone in my life.

It's no wonder that most of the kids here don't know what a true natural physique is as they haven't put in the 10-20-30 years required to build one and resort to taking the junkie route after a few years of training, mainly thanks to the advice of people like yourself advocating drug use.

again you hit 180 which IS natural number lol with the use of pro hormone which is STEROID!!,,im tired of talking about superdrol and turinabol in form of halodrol and all those steroids,,and they should have taken you to 190-195 but guess what friend,,,you are not 5;10 so where did they take you they took you to 180 all together now friends,,7lb for every inch of height!

get the pic? good,,in any way you can get 180 natural at 9-10% ,,some lucky ones get even down to 8% at 180lb ,,but thats where it ends ofcoure,,at 5'8 you should deduct about 10-15 lb so  the natural number will be 165-170 at high singles,,BUT! its very easy to confuse 10-11% and 9 percent so you probably if natursal was 180 at 10-11% which is capable  naturally ,,the thing is if you used pro hormone of th kind whish ic pure drug you shoudl have been 10 lb bigger,,


everything i say is written in stone ,,there is no ifs or buts ,,i HAVE WALKED THE WALK THATS WHY I NOW TALK THE TALK ,,even if its not nice to hear,,even if the bodybuilder get mad and look at himself with little less confidence than the little confidence he had before,,the truth shall always ALWAYS! set you free,,even if its said to a bunch of liars,,

gh15 approved

[gh15]

Exactly...Also, most Pro bodybuilders have genetics that would allow them to be bigger than Gh15's natural weight limits..which leads me to believe he isn't a pro. If you've read all his posts over the years..you'll see he has an almost identical philosophy to a certain Romanian poster on here...who due to his poor genetics and weak drug response..still only looks mediocre after 100mg a day d-bol cycles. Since he can't accept the fact that anyone on the planet has better genetics and drug response than himself, he comes up with this "True naturals at 5'9 can only weigh 150 ripped.. nonsense"...although this guy has no trouble believeing that aliens and Reptile/lizard men are pulling the strings here on earth. Hilarious.

no 5'9 can not be 150 ripped naturally on stage it can be 155-165lb ripped and shredded at 6% NATURALLY on stage,,big huge difference between 150 and 160 my friend,,have you ever seen what 5lb of lean muscle look like on bodybuilder? night and day friend,,night and day especially if its 10..2 diferent people if same bf

now in regarding sevaster,,never been him and never will be ,,but! atleast he is honest,,he is pretty much on the money inregard the use,,

gh15 approved

[shiftedShapes]

no 5'9 can not be 150 ripped naturally on stage it can be 155-165lb ripped and shredded at 6% NATURALLY on stage,,big huge difference between 150 and 160 my friend,,have you ever seen what 5lb of lean muscle look like on bodybuilder? night and day friend,,night and day especially if its 10..2 diferent people if same bf

now in regarding sevaster,,never been him and never will be ,,but! atleast he is honest,,he is pretty much on the money inregard the use,,

gh15 approved

Yep 5'8" at 165 shredded looks HUUUGE, especially if it is on a guy with a narrow waist and small joints.  Actually it might not look so big under stage lights and everything, but I guarantee if you saw this guy in you gym you would think he was 180 and juicing.

[YngiweRhoads]

again you hit 180 which IS natural number lol with the use of pro hormone which is STEROID!!,

gh15 approved

You misread my post dude. I said I've never taken a pro hormone. Mostly because I've never had much faith in supplements.

I take the odd scoop of protein powder for flavour and to add some protein to my diet as I'm mostly vegetarian. I've got no reason to lie , nor do do I think many of the others here are lying as I know what's possible for a natural bb'er, at least as far as my own progress is concerned and I'm definitely not the most genetically gifted. Good genetics for building lean muscle yes, but not great.

[YngiweRhoads]

Yep 5'8" at 165 shredded looks HUUUGE, especially if it is on a guy with a narrow waist and small joints.  Actually it might not look so big under stage lights and everything, but I guarantee if you saw this guy in you gym you would think he was 180 and juicing.

Yep, right on the money.

[gh15]

You misread my post dude. I said I've never taken a pro hormone. Mostly because I've never had much faith in supplements.

I take the odd scoop of protein powder for flavour and to add some protein to my diet as I'm mostly vegetarian. I've got no reason to lie , nor do do I think many of the others here are lying as I know what's possible for a natural bb'er, at least as far as my own progress is concerned and I'm definitely not the most genetically gifted. Good genetics for building lean muscle yes, but not great.

i didnt,,i said natural at the number you gave me is possible ,,180lb 5'9 10 percent is doable naturally even 8-9,,said it before abotu 6000 times on getbig,,read bible

gh15 approved

[Wiggs]

God,

In my current predicament being at 250 at about 25% bf... and on 800mg test E, 600 mg of Eq, 50mg t-3, my goal is to get to 10%bf...Not to worried about muscle, I' have plenty of that...should I just add 4 i.u. of Riptropin and bump up t-3 till week 12 then add masteron, tren at 300mg each per week for maximum fat loss...

I'm trying to stay away from ephedrine, I don't like the way it makes me feel and I don't like clen because of potential heart problems...

I'm only eating 4 whole meals mostly clean...Ezikiel bread, chicken breast, potato, rice, all kinds of veggies...beef once or twice per month rarely fish...

I'm in no hurry and when I get to 10% I'll NEVER let it get out of control again.

Thank you...please leave my name off....

[Stavios]

my take on GH15.
the only thing i can take exception to is that i find his posts on the efficacy of GH itself and the response you get from it exaggerated. i think with the proper training and genetics using the compounds he advises one could achieve a 'competitive' national level calibre body in say 3-5 years or so, not the 6 months to a year GH is saying. lol i think you could put on some good size in a year and walk on some hillbilly stage and place. the Nationals are another level, at least where LHW/HW/ SHW are concerned.

Exactly !

 I know some quebecers that became national level guys really fast but they are light-weights and middles

[Stavios]

God,

In my current predicament being at 250 at about 25% bf... and on 800mg test E, 600 mg of Eq, 50mg t-3, my goal is to get to 10%bf...Not to worried about muscle, I' have plenty of that...should I just add 4 i.u. of Riptropin and bump up t-3 till week 12 then add masteron, tren at 300mg each per week for maximum fat loss...

I'm trying to stay away from ephedrine, I don't like the way it makes me feel and I don't like clen because of potential heart problems...

Thank you...please leave my name off....

I think you are too fat yet for you to see anything from the tren and masteron bro.
HGH will definitly help, with some roids to keep the mass but you need to get down to about 215-220 for you to see some good changes from the roids

[Wiggs]

I think you are too fat yet for you to see anything from the tren and masteron bro.
HGH will definitly help, with some roids to keep the mass but you need to get down to about 215-220 for you to see some good changes from the roids

Correct..I wasn't going to add the masteron and tren for another 10 weeks...by that time, I'm guessing I'll be around 15-17% bf...adding the masteron and tren with continued use of GH and t-3 will maximize fat loss...Not worried about mutating yet...I want to get to 10%bf first then I'll reassess.   Thanks Stav

I've used GH before at 4.i.u (Hygetropin 3 years ago) I was very happy with results...extreme fat loss for me...Like GH15 said when I stopped I lost about 7lbs of water on top of that and saw tunnels in my abs...and had sunken face.

[kevinf]

Correct..I wasn't going to add the masteron and tren for another 10 weeks...by that time, I'm guessing I'll be around 15-17% bf...adding the masteron and tren with continued use of GH and t-3 will maximize fat loss...Not worried about mutating yet...I want to get to 10%bf first then I'll reassess.   Thanks Stav

I've used GH before at 4.i.u (Hygetropin 3 years ago) I was very happy with results...extreme fat loss for me...Like GH15 said when I stopped I lost about 7lbs of water on top of that and saw tunnels in my abs...and had sunken face.

How long did you run the Hygetroping on your first run?

[Wiggs]

How long did you run the Hygetroping on your first run?

3 months...with 750 mg prop and 400 mg eq...

[Fatpanda]

anyone who thinks groink is natural needs their eyes examined.

and before everyone called me an obese hater whale blah blah.

no i'm not. i have no qualms stating groink looks very thick in that shitty photo ( digitised to hell for some reason/ a clear pic would be nice).

he also looks very purple with very high blood pressure ala branch warren.

you guys need to get off his nuts, he's claiming natural stats that former mr olympias didn't reach juiced  

[Fatpanda]

Correct..I wasn't going to add the masteron and tren for another 10 weeks...by that time, I'm guessing I'll be around 15-17% bf...adding the masteron and tren with continued use of GH and t-3 will maximize fat loss...Not worried about mutating yet...I want to get to 10%bf first then I'll reassess.   Thanks Stav

I've used GH before at 4.i.u (Hygetropin 3 years ago) I was very happy with results...extreme fat loss for me...Like GH15 said when I stopped I lost about 7lbs of water on top of that and saw tunnels in my abs...and had sunken face.

were you dieting during that time wiggs, cardio low carb ? low fat? ?

are you dieting now during your current cycle?

[shiftedShapes]

So, then...You're claiming to have "hit 180lbs at only 5'8", with single digit bf%" as a "mostly vegetarian" without even anything more than "the odd scoop of protein".

the funny thing is that this is MORE muscular than Frank Zane at his Olympia best.

[Jack T. Cross]

the funny thing is that this is MORE muscular than Frank Zane at his Olympia best.

As a natural, too.  With only "the odd scoop of protein". 

He must have a lot of pics.  When he comes back, I'm sure he'll post up at least one.

[wes]

he's claiming natural stats that former mr olympias didn't reach juiced 

Just a slight exaggeration don`t you think Panda?

[Wiggs]

were you dieting during that time wiggs, cardio low carb ? low fat? ?

are you dieting now during your current cycle?

Oh yeah...

I'm a big fan of ground turkey...What I did then was 6oz (170gms) of ground turkey...Tacobell at the time was selling their seasoning and I would make about 4-5 lbs at a time (2 kilos) put them in small tupperware containers with white rice and that would account for 4-5 of my meals...I never got tired of it, it just became routine and I didn't have to think about it...
At the time I didn't know about carb cycling or any of that other stuff...I would say I got about 200-225mg or protein and 200mg of carbs...I also took t-3, clen and ECA up to 100mg. for t-3.. not the entire time...The GH def was real my wrist hurt like shit after day 2...I did cardio 4-5 times per week 45 min.  I didn't do ECA and clen together it was one or the other.

This time, I'm going with variety, I include all sorts of veggies,  different carb sources and chicken vs. turkey..
Because I started working again, I'm going to go back to the turkey in a tupperware with veggies and most of my carbs will be in morning and post workout meals...very little in between...
I'll use gh still deciding on the dose, I'll use t-3...probably not clen and maybe ECA...I have DNP but would not consider using it unless I'm trying to get to 5-7% bf and I have no plans to do that unless it's for a show and as of now I'm not doing a show...

Current cycle is 800 mg test E, 600 mg Eq (blend...400mg test/300mg eq)
50mg t-3 ed
25 mg proviron ed
50 mg arimidex eod.

Only thing that will change is 4 or 6 i.u of Riptropin ed
t-3 will bump up to 100mg
ECA

Cardio 3-5 times per week.30 min..I like cardio, I like to people watch

[YngiweRhoads]

the funny thing is that this is MORE muscular than Frank Zane at his Olympia best.

 

[YngiweRhoads]

So, then...You claim to have achieved "180lbs at only 5'8", with single digit bf%" as a "mostly vegetarian" without even anything more than "the odd scoop of protein".

Yep.

[Master Blaster]

You misread my post dude. I said I've never taken a pro hormone. Mostly because I've never had much faith in supplements.

I take the odd scoop of protein powder for flavour and to add some protein to my diet as I'm mostly vegetarian. I've got no reason to lie , nor do do I think many of the others here are lying as I know what's possible for a natural bb'er, at least as far as my own progress is concerned and I'm definitely not the most genetically gifted. Good genetics for building lean muscle yes, but not great.

lets see your 185 pound ripped at single digits vegetarian pics stud. I'm sure you'll shut gh15 mouth real quick. 

[YngiweRhoads]

lets see your 185 pound ripped at single digits vegetarian pics stud. I'm sure you'll shut gh15 mouth real quick.  

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134563.0

175-180, not 185 in the first pics. Current bodyweight is less.

[Master Blaster]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=134563.0

175-180, not 185 in the first pics. Current bodyweight is less.

Is that you?

No homo, but you look great (no homo) 

You look shorter than 5' 8", and I'm guess you're closer to 10%, but I could wrong wrong.

[dr.chimps]

no 5'9 can not be 150 ripped naturally on stage it can be 155-165lb ripped and shredded at 6% NATURALLY on stage,,big huge difference between 150 and 160 my friend,,have you ever seen what 5lb of lean muscle look like on bodybuilder? night and day friend,,night and day especially if its 10..2 diferent people if same bf

now in regarding sevaster,,never been him and never will be ,,but! atleast he is honest,,he is pretty much on the money inregard the use,,

gh15 approved

Hi Sev!