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Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« on: December 03, 2010, 08:33:51 PM »

More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs(Peter Schiff is back)
Safe haven /Europacific Capital ^ | Dec 3, 2010 | Peter Schiff



Today's payroll report severely disappointed on the downside and left economists scratching their heads to explain the weakness. The explanation, however, is plain as day. As I have been saying for years, the US economy will not create jobs as long as the Fed keeps interest rates artificially low, and Congress keeps stimulating spending and consumer debt, punishing employers with mandates, regulations, and taxes, crowding out private investment with massive government borrowing, and preventing market forces from restructuring our out-of-balance economy.

As new data comes in that continues to bolster my hypothesis, the politicians in Washington continue to follow the wrong diagnosis, while ignoring evidence that their policy prescription has failed. Rather than reassessing the effectiveness of their remedy, they are merely prescribing more of the same.

No doubt the 9.8% unemployment rate (17% when counting the under-employed or discouraged workers) will spark another extension of unemployment benefits, which will provide yet additional incentives for the unemployed not to work. In addition, we will likely get another round of stimulus - paid for with higher budget deficits - that will further hinder the capital investment and business formation necessary to produce sustainable jobs. Then, the inflation created by the Fed to finance those deficits will send consumer prices higher, making life that much harder for all Americans, regardless of their employment status.

All the talk in Washington that demand must be stimulated to create jobs is farcical. The news reports of mobs of shoppers trampling over each other to fill their carts shows there is plenty of demand. What is truly lacking in our economy is supply. Those mobs are still filling their carts almost exclusively with imported products. If it were true that demand creates jobs, we would be at full employment right now, but the truth is that demand is meaningless without the productive means to supply the goods.

It's ironic that extending unemployment benefits, one of the reasons unemployment remains so high in the first place, is actually being touted as a jobs bill. Keynesian proponents argue that giving money to unemployed people will create jobs wherever they spend their government cheese. This is utter nonsense.

If printing money and dolling it out to the unemployed could create growth and jobs, why hasn't it already worked? After all, we have already extended benefits to 99 weeks. Where are all the jobs? Also, if every dollar of unemployment benefits generates two dollars of growth, as our legislators claim, why not double or triple the benefits? In fact, why limit them to the unemployed? Just give the benefits to everyone - then we will really get this economy going.

Politicians cannot create economic growth at will simply by doling out money. If it could, the Soviets would have won the Cold War. Handing out cash does not create additional production, it merely changes who benefits from existing production. Transferring purchasing power from producers to consumers undermines economic growth and destroys jobs.

For now, production is being supplied from abroad. But this dynamic merely worsens our trade imbalance, putting our nation deeper into debt. As the dollar losses purchasing power, foreign goods will become more expensive and American living standards will plummet.

What will it take for our leaders to realize that their solution is exacerbating the problem they are trying to solve? Unfortunately, I doubt they will learn until the situation becomes intolerable for the majority of voters. These jobs numbers bring us one step closer to that critical mass.

Unless politicians can be roused from their stupor, we will soon confront an imminent sovereign debt and currency crisis that will make the credit crisis of 2008 look like a happy interlude. Hopefully, when the first major shock strikes in the US, as is currently happening in Ireland and Portugal, it will finally provoke a 180-degree change of policy in Washington. Hopefully, it won't be too late to spare millions from a life of subsistence, or worse. These are my hopes, but my fear is that we are on the cusp on the largest economic downfall in modern history.
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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2010, 07:03:29 AM »

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2010, 07:05:57 AM »
BTW - I just paid about $3.30 a gallon for 87. 

Yeah, and the pices of treasonous shit in the govt say there is no inflation.   ::)  ::)

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2010, 08:03:05 AM »
Can one lib challenge this any more? 

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2010, 08:06:09 AM »
why don't you just shut your pie hole and get rich buying gold and oil futures

you can laugh (or cry - yous seem manic depressive) all the way to the bank

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2010, 08:08:49 AM »
why don't you just shut your pie hole and get rich buying gold and oil futures

you can laugh (or cry - yous seem manic depressive) all the way to the bank

So Peter Schiff hs been right all along? 

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2010, 08:13:03 AM »
So Peter Schiff hs been right all along? 

I rarely watch his videos

the dude is just trying to sell his books and his demonstrably shitty investment advisor service

What's that other guy you slobber all over ?

Celente?

how are his predictions coming along?


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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2010, 08:14:21 AM »
I rarely watch his videos

the dude is just trying to sell his books and his demonstrably shitty investment advisor service

What's that other guy you slobber all over ?

Celente?

how are his predictions coming along?



Dear God are you freaking blind. 


I guess you take your orders from Krugman ?  Ha ha ha ha.   

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2010, 08:19:15 AM »
Dear God are you freaking blind. 


I guess you take your orders from Krugman ?  Ha ha ha ha.   

I asked you how Celente's predictions were coming along

do you have any anwer to that question?

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2010, 08:20:33 AM »
I asked you how Celente's predictions were coming along

do you have any anwer to that question?

By and large very good.  Gold and commodieiies spiking, UE getting worse, local state govts near default, devaluing the dollar, Obama grwing worse by theday and more into a fascist than a socialist, etc etc.   

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2010, 08:25:07 AM »
By and large very good.  Gold and commodieiies spiking, UE getting worse, local state govts near default, devaluing the dollar, Obama grwing worse by theday and more into a fascist than a socialist, etc etc.   

bfd - only a million other people made those "predictions"

how about this one

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In 2010, survivalism will go mainstream. Unemployed or fearing it, foreclosed or nearing it, pensions lost and savings gone, all sorts of folk who once believed in the system have lost their faith. Motivated not by worst-case scenario fears but by do-or-die necessity, the new non-believers, unwilling to go under or live on the streets, will devise ingenious stratagems to beat the system, get off the grid (as much as possible), and stay under the radar.

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2010, 08:25:27 AM »



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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2010, 08:26:32 AM »
bfd - only a million other people made those "predictions"

how about this one


Those predictions are coming true - do you read anything but NYT? 

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2010, 08:55:49 AM »
Great damn clip - what Obama and Bernake are doing is immoral and evil. 


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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2010, 09:13:44 AM »

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2010, 09:30:32 AM »

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2010, 09:45:54 AM »
Those predictions are coming true - do you read anything but NYT? 

like I said millions of others made those "predictions" and long before Schiff

How about the predictions that only Schiff or Celente have made

btw - I almost never watch any video you post

almost every time I do I find that whatever you think is being said is clearly NOT being said

it's a weird phenomenon with you


you just hear whaterever you want regardless of what is actually being said either that or it's a 10 second clip taken out of context

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2010, 09:51:34 AM »
like I said millions of others made those "predictions" and long before Schiff

How about the predictions that only Schiff or Celente have made

btw - I almost never watch any video you post

almost every time I do I find that whatever you think is being said is clearly NOT being said

it's a weird phenomenon with you


you just hear whaterever you want regardless of what is actually being said either that or it's a 10 second clip taken out of context

Show me even ne mainstream or well known left wing economist who has a provable track record like Schiff. 

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2010, 09:54:05 AM »
Show me even ne mainstream or well known left wing economist who has a provable track record like Schiff. 

track record of what ....predicting gold will go up and states have budget problems?




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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2010, 09:57:09 AM »
track record of what ....predicting gold will go up and states have budget problems?





Meltdown of the economy in 2007 as far back as 2005 based on phoney real estate market.     

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2010, 10:06:26 AM »
Meltdown of the economy in 2007 as far back as 2005 based on phoney real estate market.     

again - BFD

plenty of people were saying the same thing

i was talking with my friend about the coming bloodbath in mortgages/RE in 2004

When Lehman rolled out Alt A stuff and everyone just pushed the envelople it was pretty obvious that it was all going to end in tears

tell me something UNIQUE that Schiff has predicted

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2010, 10:38:04 AM »


almost every time I do I find that whatever you think is being said is clearly NOT being said

it's a weird phenomenon with you


you just hear whaterever you want regardless of what is actually being said either that or it's a 10 second clip taken out of context

Hahahaha, the irony in this post is amazing. Coming from the guy who, for 20 pages, argued that George Washington was the same socialist, benefit-leeching scumbag "liberal" as he is and then vanished from the thread when he eventually realized that he was bitch-slapped all over it and incapable of refuting his moronic argument.

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2010, 03:29:42 PM »
100% correct

keynesian economics phd are morons

and they inhabit priceton etc showing you how amaterur big academics is

lol

no wonder most inventions come from corporations like the internet did from bell labs

the keyensian school has ben proven wrong and is bunk

the austrian school of economics IS economics
when moron liek biden say spending mroe than you have stimulates the eoncomy his is basic economis its liek my jaw drops

yes people are that stupid as VP

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2010, 03:35:54 PM »
Hahahaha, the irony in this post is amazing. Coming from the guy who, for 20 pages, argued that George Washington was the same socialist, benefit-leeching scumbag "liberal" as he is and then vanished from the thread when he eventually realized that he was bitch-slapped all over it and incapable of refuting his moronic argument.

you mean the thread with this comment?



Good gawd.  You cant box in a definition like that anymore than you can describe a conservative.    Every single person may agree with some of the points of a party but disagree with others.   You guys are mainly arguing that of a "social liberal" vs "classic liberal"  And both parties fall VERY short of what they are supposed to stand for.

BTW.  Straw has owned all of you quite well. Its like your all racing in 3rd gear and he hit 6th and is gone beyond your apprehension.

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Re: Peter Schiff - More Stimulus Means Fewer Jobs
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