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What Obama Needs to Come Back: Nothing Short of Luck
By Mark Halperin Monday, Dec. 06, 2010 

 
 
The coalition that got Barack Obama elected President just two years ago has been shattered. Gaming out the trajectory of the next two years can be done any number of ways, but Obama's efforts to rebuild a politically robust alliance will be the most telling. It may be the biggest challenge of his career — and he will need happenstance along with skill if he is going to get it done.

A survey of the political landscape shows that many groups who were part of the 2008-09 Obama coalition have turned on him. Liberals believe he is an overcompromising wimp. (See blistering recent columns by progressive icons Paul Krugman and Frank Rich of the New York Times for a taste of what the left thinks of "their" President now.) The business community considers Obama ignorant about markets at best, a socialist at worst (O.K., some business people entertain an even harsher assessment). The media, after aiding and abetting his ride to the White House, now see the President as incompetent and overwhelmed. The independents and Republicans who backed him for office currently feel he is too liberal and too weak to do the job. These trends are all worse in Washington and among opinion leaders than they are in the country at large, but the views of elites are clearly shaping how the President is perceived by the nation in general.

(See "Judging Obama's First Year, Issue by Issue.")

With unemployment high and promising to stay there, it is nearly impossible in the short term for Obama to shift opinion and be seen as a successful President. But he can't achieve anything in 2011 and 2012, or get re-elected, unless he can win back support from some of his core groups.

The already tiresome debate about what Obama should do to launch a comeback tells only part of the story. Yes, he needs to show people what he stands for, fight for what he believes, compromise with Republicans when it's sensible, reshape his circle of advisers and focus on job growth and deficit reduction. But those are all tall orders, and they run counter to Obama's instincts, the political realities of American politics for the last generation, or both.

Even if the President somehow sloughs off that Spock-like laconic demeanor and dispatches his fired-up-and-ready-to-go persona, he isn't going to be able to change many of the dynamics that have weakened him. Republicans are emboldened by the results of the midterm elections and by their continued discipline and verve in driving the same message since Election Day (and likely well into 2011). They believe they can beat Obama for re-election and will stay on their winning path as long as it is working. Liberals, frustrated and rattled, are poised to cry betrayal whenever the President cooperates with the GOP. And the rancid freak show of the politico-media industrial complex is as toxic as ever.

(See Mark Halperin on newly elected GOP governors.)

Should Obama effectively confront these dynamics, he will still need some luck. Busy as he's been, he has not yet experienced a single major moment that has benefited him politically. The most dramatic events of his term — the BP oil spill, the passage of the health-care law, the arms-control agreement with Russia — have had either no impact or a negative influence on Obama's standing.

No one wants the country to suffer another catastrophe. But when a struggling Bill Clinton was faced with the Oklahoma City bombing and a floundering George W. Bush was confronted by 9/11, they found their voices and a route to political revival. Perhaps Obama's crucible can be positive — the capture of Osama bin Laden, the fall of the Iranian regime, a dramatic technological innovation that revitalizes American manufacturing — something to reintroduce him to the American people and show the strengths he demonstrated as a presidential candidate.
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While he negotiates his way through the lame-duck session of Congress, prepares for his State of the Union address and budget, and braces for the new normals of 2011, the President had better figure out how to react when the moment comes. Without that moment — whatever it is — and strong leadership in its wake, Obama may find his luck has run out.

One Nation, Halperin's politics column for TIME.com, appears every Monday.



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2035270,00.html#ixzz17LnNljLR


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I guess its better late than never for them to seewhat most people with a clue did in 2008. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2010, 08:53:00 AM »
The media, after aiding and abetting his ride to the White House, now see the President as incompetent and overwhelmed.




So now the media is admitting they kneepadded for Obama and are seeking absolution fom the rest of us for what they did?  Sorry - fuck off. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2010, 09:00:18 AM »
September's Gallup poll showed that roughly 50% of Americans think the media is too liberal and that more Americans than ever don't trust it.

I don't know but maybe things would change if they reported the truth and didn't push their agenda once in a while.  ::)

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2010, 09:04:52 AM »
Where is this "survey". 

The link to judging obama "issue by issue" just leads to a series of stories.

Is there an actual survey or some sort or does "survey" just mean the authored read a bunch of stories and made some personal assesments?

funny how the story claims "liberals think he is an overcompromising wimp" yet Repubs don't think he's compromised at all.   

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2010, 09:07:05 AM »
Where is this "survey". 

The link to judging obama "issue by issue" just leads to a series of stories.

Is there an actual survey or some sort or does "survey" just mean the authored read a bunch of stories and made some personal assesments?

funny how the story claims "liberals think he is an overcompromising wimp" yet Repubs don't think he's compromised at all.   

Don't know but this is Mark Halperin talking, not some right winger. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2010, 09:08:20 AM »
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Perhaps Obama's crucible can be positive — the capture of Osama bin Laden, the fall of the Iranian regime, a dramatic technological innovation that revitalizes American manufacturing


how about we just stop rewarding companies for sending jobs overseas instead of sitting around waiting for some dramatic technological innovation.  

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2010, 09:08:57 AM »
Don't know but this is Mark Halperin talking, not some right winger. 

How long until Straw claims that TIME is a right-wing magazine?   :D

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2010, 09:11:25 AM »


how about we just stop rewarding companies for sending jobs overseas instead of sitting around waiting for some dramatic technological innovation.  


Straw - we spent one year and a half on healthcare and ended up with a POS bill. 

Why didnt we focus on this instead? 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2010, 09:12:34 AM »
Don't know but this is Mark Halperin talking, not some right winger. 

Obama's problem (and the Dems as well) is that they let a few Repubs roadblock everything they tried to do and then they showed they are wimps by compromising at every turn only to be left with watered down legislation and still no Republican votes.

Contrast that with Repubs who are willing to halt unemployment benefits (during the holidays no less) if they don't get tax cuts for millionares.     Dems need to follow Van Jones advice and start being "assholes" like the Repubs.   Of course we all know they won't but that's what they should have been doing all along

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2010, 09:14:31 AM »
Obama's problem (and the Dems as well) is that they let a few Repubs roadblock everything they tried to do and then they showed they are wimps by compromising at every turn only to be left with watered down legislation and still no Republican votes.

Contrast that with Repubs who are willing to halt unemployment benefits (during the holidays no less) if they don't get tax cuts for millionares.     Dems need to follow Van Jones advice and start being "assholes" like the Repubs.   Of course we all know they won't but that's what they should have been doing all along

Straw - on healthcare the GOP did not block anything.  The Dems did.

Same with Cap & Trade. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 09:19:09 AM »
Straw - we spent one year and a half on healthcare and ended up with a POS bill

Why didnt we focus on this instead? 

yep - a POS bill that got watered down to please Repubs and still got no Repub support

emblematic of the entire Obama/Dem "strategy".   Actually hard to call it a strategy unless it's the Charlie Brown approach to politics

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 09:21:44 AM »
Straw - on healthcare the GOP did not block anything.  The Dems did.

Same with Cap & Trade. 

No doubt Dems caved too but the bill was watered down to please Repubs (who threatened to fillibuster) and still they got nothing

I'm sure you understand I'm not in anyway praising the Dems.

They have no backbone.  They need to be assholes in order to deal with assholes

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2010, 09:24:32 AM »
No doubt Dems caved too but the bill was watered down to please Repubs (who threatened to fillibuster) and still they got nothing

I'm sure you understand I'm not in anyway praising the Dems.

They have no backbone.  They need to be assholes in order to deal with assholes

I know that - but it seems to me that we got the worst of both worlds in healthcare.  Sure there are a few marginal benfits, but it really does absolutely nothing for the average guy. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2010, 09:33:44 AM »
I know that - but it seems to me that we got the worst of both worlds in healthcare.  Sure there are a few marginal benfits, but it really does absolutely nothing for the average guy. 

there are quite a few benefits to the "average guy" such as no prexisting conditions for kids (and adults in a few years) end of rescissions, etc.. 

I'm sure Dems will cave on the Bush Tax and I'm sure Repubs will give them zero credit for doing so

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2010, 09:34:51 AM »
The media, after aiding and abetting his ride to the White House, now see the President as incompetent and overwhelmed.




So now the media is admitting they kneepadded for Obama and are seeking absolution fom the rest of us for what they did?  Sorry - fuck off. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2010, 09:39:19 AM »
Well Gallup got the extreme disaster at 48% approval rite now

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2010, 09:42:34 AM »
Well Gallup got the extreme disaster at 48% approval rite now

Gallup also said UE was at 8.8%.   FAIL

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2010, 09:57:50 AM »
Gallup also said UE was at 8.8%.   FAIL


So dont look at Gallup no more. Have you taken an Argument Class.. i thought you would have as an esq. Go read up on your fallacies.

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2010, 10:00:31 AM »

So dont look at Gallup no more. Have you taken an Argument Class.. i thought you would have as an esq. Go read up on your fallacies.

If he were white - his rating would be 38%.    Sad but true. 

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2010, 10:19:12 AM »
If he were white - his rating would be 38%.    Sad but true

how do you know it's true?

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2010, 10:23:59 AM »
how do you know it's true?

Here is why - Blacks make up about 13% of the voting electorate and give him a 90% or better approval rating. 

Compare that to Bush - who had probably a 80% Dissaproval or higher from blacks. 

Not saying its purely based on race, but a large part is since no other race EVER supports a politician in such numbers. 

That is good for a 5-6 points overall. 

Hispanics also support dems, and obama, in higher numbers than they ever due Reps.  A certain portion of that in certainly race based. 


Take away the race quitioent from those two voting blocks and Obama is down to 38% easily, same way Bush left office with 23% approval. 
   

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2010, 10:29:52 AM »
Here is why - Blacks make up about 13% of the voting electorate and give him a 90% or better approval rating. 

Compare that to Bush - who had probably a 80% Dissaproval or higher from blacks. 

Not saying its purely based on race, but a large part is since no other race EVER supports a politician in such numbers. 

That is good for a 5-6 points overall. 

Hispanics also support dems, and obama, in higher numbers than they ever due Reps.  A certain portion of that in certainly race based. 


Take away the race quitioent from those two voting blocks and Obama is down to 38% easily, same way Bush left office with 23% approval. 
   


well at least you have a method to your madness

btw - are we still talking about a Gallup poll # or is this just the 333 imaginary poll?

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2010, 10:31:19 AM »

What Obama Needs to Come Back: Nothing Short of Luck
By Mark Halperin Monday, Dec. 06, 2010 

 
 
The coalition that got Barack Obama elected President just two years ago has been shattered. Gaming out the trajectory of the next two years can be done any number of ways, but Obama's efforts to rebuild a politically robust alliance will be the most telling. It may be the biggest challenge of his career — and he will need happenstance along with skill if he is going to get it done.

A survey of the political landscape shows that many groups who were part of the 2008-09 Obama coalition have turned on him. Liberals believe he is an overcompromising wimp. (See blistering recent columns by progressive icons Paul Krugman and Frank Rich of the New York Times for a taste of what the left thinks of "their" President now.) The business community considers Obama ignorant about markets at best, a socialist at worst (O.K., some business people entertain an even harsher assessment). The media, after aiding and abetting his ride to the White House, now see the President as incompetent and overwhelmed. The independents and Republicans who backed him for office currently feel he is too liberal and too weak to do the job. These trends are all worse in Washington and among opinion leaders than they are in the country at large, but the views of elites are clearly shaping how the President is perceived by the nation in general.

(See "Judging Obama's First Year, Issue by Issue.")

With unemployment high and promising to stay there, it is nearly impossible in the short term for Obama to shift opinion and be seen as a successful President. But he can't achieve anything in 2011 and 2012, or get re-elected, unless he can win back support from some of his core groups.

The already tiresome debate about what Obama should do to launch a comeback tells only part of the story. Yes, he needs to show people what he stands for, fight for what he believes, compromise with Republicans when it's sensible, reshape his circle of advisers and focus on job growth and deficit reduction. But those are all tall orders, and they run counter to Obama's instincts, the political realities of American politics for the last generation, or both.

Even if the President somehow sloughs off that Spock-like laconic demeanor and dispatches his fired-up-and-ready-to-go persona, he isn't going to be able to change many of the dynamics that have weakened him. Republicans are emboldened by the results of the midterm elections and by their continued discipline and verve in driving the same message since Election Day (and likely well into 2011). They believe they can beat Obama for re-election and will stay on their winning path as long as it is working. Liberals, frustrated and rattled, are poised to cry betrayal whenever the President cooperates with the GOP. And the rancid freak show of the politico-media industrial complex is as toxic as ever.

(See Mark Halperin on newly elected GOP governors.)

Should Obama effectively confront these dynamics, he will still need some luck. Busy as he's been, he has not yet experienced a single major moment that has benefited him politically. The most dramatic events of his term — the BP oil spill, the passage of the health-care law, the arms-control agreement with Russia — have had either no impact or a negative influence on Obama's standing.

No one wants the country to suffer another catastrophe. But when a struggling Bill Clinton was faced with the Oklahoma City bombing and a floundering George W. Bush was confronted by 9/11, they found their voices and a route to political revival. Perhaps Obama's crucible can be positive — the capture of Osama bin Laden, the fall of the Iranian regime, a dramatic technological innovation that revitalizes American manufacturing — something to reintroduce him to the American people and show the strengths he demonstrated as a presidential candidate.
(Comment on this story.)
 

While he negotiates his way through the lame-duck session of Congress, prepares for his State of the Union address and budget, and braces for the new normals of 2011, the President had better figure out how to react when the moment comes. Without that moment — whatever it is — and strong leadership in its wake, Obama may find his luck has run out.

One Nation, Halperin's politics column for TIME.com, appears every Monday.



Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2035270,00.html#ixzz17LnNljLR


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I guess its better late than never for them to seewhat most people with a clue did in 2008. 

Your media can not possibly be referring to anyone as incompetent when incompetence is the media's forte. Maybe your media should really do investigative reporting as opposed to the sideline gossip that they dish out on a daily basis.
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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2010, 11:41:53 AM »
funny how you believe the msm when it fits your agenda  :D :D :D :D typ.

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Re: Time Magazine: "Media sees Obama as incompetent and overwhelmed"
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2010, 11:44:54 AM »
funny how you believe the msm when it fits your agenda  :D :D :D :D typ.

What is incorrect in this?