Author Topic: 'A Calorie is a Calorie' debate - proof to end it (Read 5800 times)

dj181 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:50:53 AM »

Nah PJim, I wasn't taking a piss out of Mentzer. I think that "diet" has literally nothing to do with looking great, except that one needs to eat some calories at some point in time

P.S. I even believe in rather low protein intake, case in point, a powerlifter friend of mine only ate about 80 grams of protein per day and maintained his 280 pounds of fairly lean weight 12-15% bodyfat and his 700 lb bench press

Ex Coelis · « **Reply #26 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:55:04 AM »

even if the theory is true, I feel better eating clean

mass243 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 07, 2010, 07:58:36 AM »

Quote from: Big Poppa J on December 07, 2010, 07:55:04 AM

even if the theory is true, I feel better eating clean

Hi Jay

Captain Equipoise · « **Reply #28 on:** December 07, 2010, 04:47:47 PM »

Quote from: caseyviator on December 07, 2010, 07:12:29 AM

a calorie is a calorie is really kinda stupid cause it may be a calorie but depending on what it is it does totally different things in the body...
i guess its like a pound of feathers and a pound of iron is still both a pound......but a lb of iron dont make a good pillow and a pound of feathers does not make a good 45lb plate...

i think thats a good way of explainin that!!

BOOOOOOOM!!

brilliant analogy!

PJim · « **Reply #29 on:** December 07, 2010, 05:28:16 PM »

Quote from: SilverSpoon on December 07, 2010, 07:45:51 AM

You technically didn't do a "calorie is a calorie" method, as you admit that you "did it with a low carb diet".

No, no, sorry I probably worded that wrong, I meant I dieted the weight off like that and kept it off with calorie counting for 3 months after

Alexander D · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:06:50 PM »

You know its very easy to go from 400lbs of fatass to 300lbs of fatass... but i am positive that once fatpanda does drop down a significant amount if he continues to eat kit kats, ice cream and all the other bullshit that he eats because he is a pussy and can't really eat clean- he will hit a huge wall and stop making any progress.

Not to mention his "diet" isn't ground-breaking by any means...

Ursus · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:31:32 PM »

Maybe he is getting mixed up with kcals and calories

#1 Klaus fan · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:32:04 PM »

Quote from: A DUB on January 25, 2011, 04:06:50 PM

You know its very easy to go from 400lbs of fatass to 300lbs of fatass... but i am positive that once fatpanda does drop down a significant amount if he continues to eat kit kats, ice cream and all the other bullshit that he eats because he is a pussy and can't really eat clean- he will hit a huge wall and stop making any progress.

Not to mention his "diet" isn't ground-breaking by any means...

Has he made any progress now?

The Next BIG Thing! · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:34:07 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on January 25, 2011, 04:31:32 PM

Maybe he is getting mixed up with kcals and calories

Hiya Ursus.

Yeah, I hear your point.

He is undoubtedly confused.

Much in the same way that mongols from N.Ireland confuse the descriptors 'natural' and 'steroid assisted' now and again.

Hows the wife?

Lovely.

Fatpanda · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:37:49 PM »

Quote from: Ursus on January 25, 2011, 04:31:32 PM

Maybe he is getting mixed up with kcals and calories

they are the same.

try again.

did you perhaps mean kj ?

why do i even bother.

Ursus · « **Reply #35 on:** January 25, 2011, 04:55:00 PM »

Quote from: Fatpanda on January 25, 2011, 04:37:49 PM

they are the same.

try again.

did you perhaps mean kj ?

why do i even bother.

Jeez dude lighten up I don't know shit about nutrition.

You are losing weight so fair play to you. However don't try to overthink it. More people have fucked up more things in life by trying to be innovative or different than simply sticking to the tried and tested basics.

mossel · « **Reply #36 on:** January 25, 2011, 11:27:30 PM »

1 pound = 1 pound

1 volt = 1 volt

1 calorie = 1 calorie

wavelength · « **Reply #37 on:** January 25, 2011, 11:36:12 PM »

Quote from: mossel on January 25, 2011, 11:27:30 PM

1 pound = 1 pound

1 volt = 1 volt

1 calorie = 1 calorie

Yes. The argument is dumb.

The point is that what matters is the total amount of energy plus a certain amount of protein for muscle retention. And not beeing all hard-core and only eating dry chicken breast, tasteless rice, and stinky tuna out of the can. You can easily get fat with those ingredients just as you can get ripped without them.

wes · « **Reply #38 on:** January 26, 2011, 12:16:30 AM »

THE END

mossel · « **Reply #39 on:** January 26, 2011, 10:14:07 AM »

Quote from: wes on January 26, 2011, 12:16:30 AM

THE END

post of the year award!

Team Diver · « **Reply #40 on:** January 26, 2011, 12:31:51 PM »

Quote from: wavelength on January 25, 2011, 11:36:12 PM

Yes. The argument is dumb.

The point is that what matters is the total amount of energy plus a certain amount of protein for muscle retention. And not beeing all hard-core and only eating dry chicken breast, tasteless rice, and stinky tuna out of the can. You can easily get fat with those ingredients just as you can get ripped without them.

^NOT THIS

bodyofsteel · « **Reply #41 on:** January 26, 2011, 09:21:53 PM »

A calorie is a calorie.
A fat bloated clown on a message board is..

flinstones1 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 26, 2011, 09:38:25 PM »

Quote from: Team Diver on January 26, 2011, 12:31:51 PM

^NOT THIS

agree if I eat clean I dont get fat

dyslexic · « **Reply #43 on:** January 26, 2011, 09:58:42 PM »

Did someone just call the plumber?

wavelength · « **Reply #44 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:02:33 PM »

Quote from: flinstones1 on January 26, 2011, 09:38:25 PM

agree if I eat clean I dont get fat

That's because you eat less calories.

Disgusted · « **Reply #45 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:11:17 PM »

Quote from: wavelength on January 25, 2011, 11:36:12 PM

Yes. The argument is dumb.

The point is that what matters is the total amount of energy plus a certain amount of protein for muscle retention. And not beeing all hard-core and only eating dry chicken breast, tasteless rice, and stinky tuna out of the can. You can easily get fat with those ingredients just as you can get ripped without them.

Although I see the point you are trying to make, no one gets easily fat eating tuna, chicken and rice. I guess if someone were to eat 15 to 20 cups or more of rice daily.

wavelength · « **Reply #46 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:13:51 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on January 26, 2011, 11:11:17 PM

Although I see the point you are trying to make, no one gets easily fat eating tuna, chicken and rice. I guess if someone were to eat 15 to 20 cups or more of rice daily.

I've done the "clean" diet for some years. I've never been fatter.

Disgusted · « **Reply #47 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:15:48 PM »

Quote from: wavelength on January 26, 2011, 11:13:51 PM

I've done the "clean" diet for some years. I've never been fatter.

Why? Did you eat too any calories and if so what about this "clean diet" made you inclined to do so?

wavelength · « **Reply #48 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on January 26, 2011, 11:15:48 PM

Why? Did you eat too any calories and if so what about this "clean diet" made you inclined to do so?

Yes I ate too much. It's when I was young and dumb and thought you grow an insane amount of muscle if you stuff your face constantly with all them clean foods.

But I agree that for some people a diet of foods which are less calorie dense can be more convenient in regard to being able to stick to the diet.

Disgusted · « **Reply #49 on:** January 26, 2011, 11:37:06 PM »

Quote from: wavelength on January 26, 2011, 11:23:12 PM

Yes I ate too much. It's when I was young and dumb and thought you grow an insane amount of muscle if you stuff your face constantly with all them clean foods.

But I agree that for some people a diet of foods which are less calorie dense can be more convenient in regard to being able to stick to the diet.

Yeah me too. It's really easy to eat a DQP with cheese in say less than 5 minutes and the same amount of calories in fish and rice is a lot more volume and would take maybe 3x the time to eat and may help with people dieting. I do not believe that there is such a thing as a clean or junk diet as food is food, but I realize what people are trying to convey with such statements.