Obama announces proposed deal on taxes, jobless benefits

[Kazan]

NO NO NO NO, in straws mind the tax payers work only to pay the govt

he would probably like to see a 100% tax b/c then there would be no lost revenue, right straw 

Well thats the point, the whole concept of the argument is retarded. Obviously the government doesn't listen to what the people say and do whatever they want, so it is those dumbass's responsibility to cut what needs to be cut.

[Straw Man]

NO NO NO NO, in straws mind the tax payers work only to pay the govt
he would probably like to see a 100% tax b/c then there would be no lost revenue, right straw 

when did I ever say or even suggest that

this country creates the economic environment that enables people to get wealthy and we (as a country) have every right and actually the responsibility to keep this economic enviroment stable.

Taxes are the lowest that they have ever been and the country has the largest debt ever and the largest gap between rich and middle class and rich and poor.

I was talking with a friend yesterday who used to make about 750k in an average year and he's been below 200k for the last two years.   He said he would much rather be making 750k and pay a a bit more in taxes than make 200k and get a tax cut.  

[Soul Crusher]

when did I ever say or even suggest that

this country creates the economic environment that enables people to get wealthy and we (as a country) have every right and actually the responsibility to keep this economic enviroment stable.

Taxes are the lowest that they have ever been and the country has the largest debt ever and the largest gap between rich and middle class and rich and poor.

I was talking with a friend yesterday who used to make about 750k in an average year and he's been below 200k for the last two years.   He said he would much rather be making 750k and pay a a bit more in taxes than make 200k and get a tax cut.  

I didnt know our tax rates were resposibile for his income fluctuating like that.  How does that work?   

[Straw Man]

I didnt know our tax rates were resposibile for his income fluctuating like that.  How does that work?   

I didn't say our tax rates were responsible for his income fluctuating

I said he used to make a lot more money and he rather make more money again and pay a marginaly higher tax rate if he had to.

i.e - he doesn't give a shit about a marginal tax hike or cut of 3%

[Kazan]

when did I ever say or even suggest that

this country creates the economic environment that enables people to get wealthy and we (as a country) have every right and actually the responsibility to keep this economic enviroment stable.

Taxes are the lowest that they have ever been and the country has the largest debt ever and the largest gap between rich and middle class and rich and poor.

I was talking with a friend yesterday who used to make about 750k in an average year and he's been below 200k for the last two years.   He said he would much rather be making 750k and pay a a bit more in taxes than make 200k and get a tax cut.  

No taxes are not the lowest they have ever been, see 16th Amendment. So how did the country survive until 1913?

[Soul Crusher]

I didn't say our tax rates were responsible for his income fluctuating

I said he used to make a lot more money and he rather make more money again and pay a marginaly higher tax rate if he had to.

i.e - he doesn't give a shit about a marginal tax hike or cut of 3%

No kidding - I think we all agree with that, but hiking taxes is not going to result in him making 500k more in his business activities. 

[tonymctones]

when did I ever say or even suggest that

this country creates the economic environment that enables people to get wealthy and we (as a country) have every right and actually the responsibility to keep this economic enviroment stable.

Taxes are the lowest that they have ever been and the country has the largest debt ever and the largest gap between rich and middle class and rich and poor.

I was talking with a friend yesterday who used to make about 750k in an average year and he's been below 200k for the last two years.   He said he would much rather be making 750k and pay a a bit more in taxes than make 200k and get a tax cut.  

you still havent answered how taxing more and giving more money to the govt gives us a stable economy?

if youre worried about a stable economy you should have been bitching for the last 2 years while obama did nothing but destabilize it, but yet you didnt

things that make you go, hmmmmmmm

[Straw Man]

No taxes are not the lowest they have ever been, see 16th Amendment. So how did the country survive until 1913?

good point

It does apear that Republicans would love to go back to the era of the robber barons

that was a great time for the average american too

[Soul Crusher]

good point

It does apear that Republicans would love to go back to the era of the robber barons

that was a great time for the average american too

Straw - the robber barons of te old days had nothing on the robber barons of today onwall street  At least those guys built railroads and put forth the industrial revolution. 


today we have Goldman Sackthe Treasury, BOA, schemes, scams, and ponzinomics that add nothing to the nation. 

[Straw Man]

Straw - the robber barons of te old days had nothing on the robber barons of today onwall street  At least those guys built railroads and put forth the industrial revolution. 


today we have Goldman Sackthe Treasury, BOA, schemes, scams, and ponzinomics that add nothing to the nation. 

so I guess you're for more regulation then?

[Soul Crusher]

so I guess you're for more regulation then?

On the sams, schemes, and ponzinomics? 

Yes in that i want to reanact Glass Steagal as well as bring bac the idea of moral hazard that wehave breached with all the bailouts.   

[Kazan]

The whole point is, it is not the American people that caused this fucking mess, it is the ruling class in DC. So why are we expected to shell out more to the government?

[Soul Crusher]

The whole point is, it is not the American people that caused this fucking mess, it is the ruling class in DC. So why are we expected to shell out more to the government?

Exactly - screw these assholes in the govt - let them go without for once.
 

[Straw Man]

Exactly - screw these assholes in the govt - let them go without for once.
 

you might get your wish when the vote to raise the debt ceiling comes up next year

something tells me Repubs will all of sudden care about the deficit again

[Soul Crusher]

you might get your wish when the vote to raise the debt ceiling comes up next year

something tells me Repubs will all of sudden care about the deficit again

Straw - its going to happen on way or another. 

Why have a limit t begin with if we keep raising it? 

[tonymctones]

you still havent answered how taxing more and giving more money to the govt gives us a stable economy?

if youre worried about a stable economy you should have been bitching for the last 2 years while obama did nothing but destabilize it, but yet you didnt

things that make you go, hmmmmmmm

would like an answer to the bold

and why you werent worried about stablizing the economy for the past 2 years?