Supplement Industry Scams

[Formerly_Owner76]

I think Vince G. was talking about this a while back.
I feel bad for the suckers that buy shit like this.

http://www.steroidtimes.com/progenex-manufacturing-costs-versus-retail-costs/2010

Want some protein, eat a can of chunk lite tuna (60 cents) and have a glass of Milk (50 cents).




Progenex has made every effort to achieve market position as a premier brand of recovery protein, in an effort to justify their average price of $62.50 per bag of protein (1 bag of More Muscle + Recovery = $125/month). However, to achieve roughly $30,000 in sales (which equated to just under $20,000, after tabulating various discounts), Progenex spent a mere $2,600 in production costs.

If the costs for the packaging (the bags) is subtracted from their total manufacturing costs, plus paying a company to put the protein in those bags, the total cost for $30,000 worth of their product is just around $2,000. If the discounts are added in, we find that Progenex is selling Crossfitters $2,000 worth of protein for $20,000. Therefore, according to their own financial reports,  each $60 bag of protein costs about $6 to manufacture.

If you’re a Crossfitter thinking about buying Progenex, please consider that you are actually paying $60 for a $6 bag of whey protein, and the rest of your money is going into the pockets of people like Darren Meade.

[jeremyj]

Don't mention Drugs and this thread should be OK.

[JOHN MATRIX]

or buy a box of pasta noodles (one dollar) and a jar of newman's own spaghetti sauce (two dollars) and get 6-10 quality tasty meals... for $3 haha

[Formerly_Owner76]

or buy a box of pasta noodles (one dollar) and a jar of newman's own spaghetti sauce (two dollars) and get 6-10 quality tasty meals... for $3 haha

I make my own sauce and turkey meatballs, but ya, you're spot on.
Progenex Protein 

[jeremyj]

Or buy GH Slin Tren Deca GF1 Metabol Stringabol Dianabol Mexcibol Bolderone for 10k and compete for 1k.

[Formerly_Owner76]

Dont forget your Hot Stuff!

[cephissus]

Not only is the entire industry a sham by default, -- it exists purely to offer a legal counterfeit in place of illegal anabolics -- its existence largely depends on silencing the bodybuilding experts (professionals).  Ironically, in order to pay for their considerable drug expenses they need to shut up and accept sponsorships.  In order to buy the products they really need, they must promote the counterfeit.

It's sickening!  Every new generation of bodybuilders is convinced to spend ridiculous amounts on placebos and then, once they come to their senses, they're forced to wade through floods of BS relating to training, nutrition, drug use, etc. all because the bodybuilders aren't allowed to share the knowledge they've acquired over many years, if not decades of needless personal experimentation.  Wasteful beyond belief.

[Spike]

up your m.ass is working good for me tho

i dont take anythg else that you can buy at gnc tho - fckn tools with half their sleve rolled up pushin discounted acai berry shit

[The.Giant]

Yet they somehow lost $600k this year?

Am i reading this wrong?

[marty31672]

Not only is the entire industry a sham by default, -- it exists purely to offer a legal counterfeit in place of illegal anabolics -- its existence largely depends on silencing the bodybuilding experts (professionals).  Ironically, in order to pay for their considerable drug expenses they need to shut up and accept sponsorships.  In order to buy the products they really need, they must promote the counterfeit.

It's sickening!  Every new generation of bodybuilders is convinced to spend ridiculous amounts on placebos and then, once they come to their senses, they're forced to wade through floods of BS relating to training, nutrition, drug use, etc. all because the bodybuilders aren't allowed to share the knowledge they've acquired over many years, if not decades of needless personal experimentation.  Wasteful beyond belief.

thats not true
i gained 10 pounds of pure muscle in 1 week when i took this creatine drink

[tom joad]

Not only is the entire industry a sham by default, -- it exists purely to offer a legal counterfeit in place of illegal anabolics -- its existence largely depends on silencing the bodybuilding experts (professionals).  Ironically, in order to pay for their considerable drug expenses they need to shut up and accept sponsorships.  In order to buy the products they really need, they must promote the counterfeit.

It's sickening!  Every new generation of bodybuilders is convinced to spend ridiculous amounts on placebos and then, once they come to their senses, they're forced to wade through floods of BS relating to training, nutrition, drug use, etc. all because the bodybuilders aren't allowed to share the knowledge they've acquired over many years, if not decades of needless personal experimentation.  Wasteful beyond belief.

Bob Chick: it's no big deal bro, it's just bold face lying, like how your parents lied to you about santa claus and the tooth fairy.

[Master Blaster]

up your m.ass is working good for me tho

i dont take anythg else that you can buy at gnc tho - fckn tools with half their sleve rolled up pushin discounted acai berry shit

gh15 approved

[gh15]

but ,,but but ,,but but but,, mishko and sons said vitargo will make the carb up process phenominally amazing...it just gonna make you look alot different than lee haney who used some sweet potato or franko who used pizza lol

vitargo!!! remember that hysteria over it lol thats how every loser in this cult try to make money ,,out of your ass,,you go work hard and fellas like danta think he can get some goat protien and mix it with some dry beef protien and call it hyperplasmatonix

if there are people i really dont like they are those dantas and tropopinos which is a kid so i forgive him,,and that skip from that board,,i just do not like them ,,really want them to suffer from karma

gh15 approved

[marty31672]

markus ruhl uses vitargo so obviously it works

[gh15]

i used it too so what lol ,,you would anything if you got them for free too lol

gh15 approved

[Disgusted]

Here you go, ten bucks a can. Mixes thin, not too sweet and never fails to keep your blood sugar where it needs to be.

[JOHN MATRIX]

MEGA MASS 4000...BEEFCAKE!!!

[Aerian]

Most supps are trash these days...

Now after 15+ years of heavy training...i have moved on.... i am tired of chewing every damn meal and now started to blend foods to get quick shakes. 

Toss in 1 or 2 chicken breasts and a can of beans (no sauces of any kind) like black beans, pinto beans, kidney beans or sometimes oatmeal with a good amount of water and blend away.  Makes a great shake i can drink down in a minute and go about  my day and have a belly full of real quality nutrients. 

I do this about 2 or 3 times a day when work gets to about 60-70+ hours.  Totally saves a ton of time and is all mother nature..

[~UN_$ung~]

protein powders are pretty necessary for me

it hard to eat all that protein , especially if you want clean protein

its easy to eat some fatty ground beef, but if you just want a lot of protein, with little fat and carbs.......easy to just drink whey protein




what are your guys opinions???    is all whey pretty much created equal from the six star stuff at walmart to more expensive isolates...........is the more expensive stuff worth it

what are your opinions?

[JOHN MATRIX]

what are your guys opinions???    is all whey pretty much created equal from the six star stuff at walmart to more expensive isolates...........is the more expensive stuff worth it

what are your opinions?

isolates are usually totally lactose free...the cheap brands of standard whey have lots of lactose and for me were much harder to digest...made for horrible 10-inch solid black turds every morning in the office. do not want

yeah id say just go for the quality stuff like isopure or syntrax nectar. they are much higher quality and actually mix easily unlike the cheap stuff which just globs up and mixes with water as well as tar.

[~UN_$ung~]

isolates are usually totally lactose free...the cheap brands of standard whey have lots of lactose and for me were much harder to digest...made for horrible 10-inch solid black turds every morning in the office. do not want

yeah id say just go for the quality stuff like isopure or syntrax nectar. they are much higher quality and actually mix easily unlike the cheap stuff which just globs up and mixes with water as well as tar.

actually the stuff from wal mart mixes right up.........it made by the same people that make muscle tech....its just their "economy brand"


so other then black turds or whatever...........what proved to you that the more expensive stuff is better.......are you actually seeign a difference in results?



im with you on the smally black log things thouhg,..........i have been drinking a lot of protein lately cause im dieting , and man do my shits stink

[cephissus]

I use whey too for convenience.

Some whey is clearly crap -- eating metrx type stuff can literally make me sick.  But most of the time I just think, "even if there was a difference between all these brands, how would I ever know?"

I mean, you see some guy with a nice physique who uses fancy whey... change it out with some crappy no-name brand... you honestly think you'll be able to see any difference in his physique?  Any health difference?  Anything?  Highly doubtful.

[~UN_$ung~]

i dont knwo what optimum nutrition did. cause they dont even advertise all that much, or have that many fameous sponsored athletes


but the most ubiquitous supplemt ...............Whey..... ....that have like a monopoly on

pretty much everyone i know just buy ON whey, like by default..........they must make money in buckets


what did they do that everyone buys their whey?

[cephissus]

I'll bet anything they had some sort of deal with bbing.com to get to the top of their list a long time ago, because these days, i'll tell you how they dominate:

1.  clueless kid comes into gym, sees big guy with bbing.com shirt.
2.  kid goes to bbing.com sees the #1 most popular supplement: ON 100% whey, for extremely low price (little does he know, the MSRP for supplements is a joke and never respected online).
3.  kid buys ten pounds bag and gets a free bbing.com shirt to wear to the gym...

[~UN_$ung~]

I'll bet anything they had some sort of deal with bbing.com to get to the top of their list a long time ago, because these days, i'll tell you how they dominate:

1.  clueless kid comes into gym, sees big guy with bbing.com shirt.
2.  kid goes to bbing.com sees the #1 most popular supplement: ON 100% whey, for extremely low price (little does he know, the MSRP for supplements is a joke and never respected online).
3.  kid buys ten pounds bag and gets a free bbing.com shirt to wear to the gym...

thats true, its cyclical once they get on top


they are on top, cause lots of people saw that they are the most purchased brand of whey............and bought more............which makes them the number 1 brand ..............so more peopel see that , and buy it