HS Hunter faces expulsion over gun locked in case in trunk. (Zero Tolerance)

[Soul Crusher]

HIGH-SCHOOL HUNTER FACES EXPULSION OVER GUN LOCKED IN TRUNK (labeled "domtestic terrorist")
http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/National_News/HIGHSCHOOL_HUNTER_FACES_EXPULSION_OVER_GUN_LOCKED_IN_TRUNK/37246 ^



A teenage hunter in Montana is facing a school hearing in a few days that could derail her college plans, career hopes and even risk her identification as a "domestic terrorist" after she inadvertently parked in a school parking lot with a hunting rifle locked in a case inside her car trunk.

The report on the situation is coming from Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, who told World Net Daily he was contacted by the student's mother.

The student and her mother were not available for immediate comment because of job and school schedules, and multiple WND calls to the Columbia Falls school district did not generate a response. In fact, the district office and the high school both told WND to call the other office for comment.

But Marbut told WND that the student, Demarie DeReu, will be facing a hearing on Monday at which the local school board could expel her.

"She will possibly have her life derailed because a bunch of school idiots insist that she must be subject to an irrational, 'zero tolerance' policy about guns in schools that does not countenance lack of bad intent. The theory that people with malice will be intimidated into good conduct if people without malice are punished in lieu of them is idiocy at its finest," he said in his written documentation of the situation.

He said DeReu, 16, is an honor roll student, a member of the Columbia Falls High School student council and a varsity cheerleader.

She's also a hunter.

"Although she had no intent to break any rules or laws, or harm anyone, Demarie is at risk of having her college education derailed and maybe even being identified forever as a domestic terrorist," Marbut reported.


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Why should we even worry about al quadea? 

[240 is Back]

if you allow her to do it............


then you allow two hundred 18-year old seniors in that same high school with gang affiliations to keep shotguns in their cars.


then you deal with the lawsuits when one of them decides to 'set it off'.


Obviously this girl wasn't going to shoot the place up - but if you legally let her, you have to legally let everyone.  And really, was she hunting at 5 am before school that day?  take the damn gun in the house.  If another student knows it's there, breaks into her car, and shoots the place up, then what?

i'd exercise some discretion and suspend, but not expell.  If you say "it's cool, baby girl", then you'd better be ready for a shitload of lawsuits, or her car getting robbed next week, or 200 other kids packing heat in their cars.

[240 is Back]

another Q.... how did they know there was a rifle - inside a case - in her trunk?

Did she tell someone?  I can't believe they were doing random trunk searches that day LMAO...

This one-sided article failed to mention who she told about it, who then ran their mouth to ten other people, at which point teachers heard about it.  If one of those 10 people had a crazy itch, then it could have been a car getting broken into, and a nice shooting incident.


How did they even know she had the gun?  Incidents like this probably happen all the time - forgotten hunting weapons - why did they search her trunk on this one time it happened?  Did she leave the rifle in there all 180 school days?

[Soul Crusher]

Apparenly they were doing a drug raid and she told the officer it was in there. 

[Emmortal]

Apparenly they were doing a drug raid and she told the officer it was in there. 

If I was in school and inadvertently left a pound of weed in my trunk, I'd get the book thrown at me as well.  Just because I had no intention of selling it to anyone doesn't mean I should get a slap on the wrist and am told "don't do that again".  It's unfortunate but in our society today, especially gun crime on school grounds, we have rules because of this.

[Soul Crusher]

Owning a rifle is not illegal.

[Emmortal]

Owning a rifle is not illegal.

Neither is owning a pound of weed.

[Soul Crusher]

Neither is owning a pound of weed.

Where?

[Emmortal]

Where?

I can have as much as I want in my house and can carry up to 1oz on my person in California.  I probably should have said 1oz since it was in her car and would be more applicable.

[tonymctones]

I can have as much as I want in my house and can carry up to 1oz on my person in California.  I probably should have said 1oz since it was in her car and would be more applicable.

LOL emmortal you seem like a cool dude but your analogies are way off bro...

sorry I agree with the punishment, thats not something you mess around with these days. First off you dont leave a gun unattended in a car unless your going somewhere with the intent of taking it with you, at least not how I was raised. Especially a hunting rifle, the only time you have a hunting rifle with you is if youre going to the range to site it in or going hunting.

[George Whorewell]

I can have as much as I want in my house and can carry up to 1oz on my person in California.  I probably should have said 1oz since it was in her car and would be more applicable.

  Nonsense. Even in NYC where pot has been decrimiminalized, it's still an offense punishable by arrest to posess marajuana in any quantity. Also, federal law supersedes state law and local law. So in essence it's still illegal no matter what.

[Emmortal]

Nonsense. Even in NYC where pot has been decrimiminalized, it's still an offense punishable by arrest to posess marajuana in any quantity. Also, federal law supersedes state law and local law. So in essence it's still illegal no matter what.

It's decriminalized in California up to 1oz on the person.  If you don't have your medical card, you get a ticket, if you do, nothing happens.

[24KT]

Apparenly they were doing a drug raid and she told the officer it was in there. 

A drug raid? Did they have a search warrant for her vehicle? ...or was it a routine violation of 4th amendment rights? And at 16, questioning her without her parents present would be another violation of her rights no? ...or have I just been watching too many episodes of Law & Order? 

[24KT]

They should start arresting teachers for having tire irons in their trunks. Zero tolerance for weapons.

And while they're at it, they should arrest the school lunch lady for those lumpy as hell mashed potatoes.

[tonymctones]

A drug raid? Did they have a search warrant for her vehicle? ...or was it a routine violation of 4th amendment rights? And at 16, questioning her without her parents present would be another violation of her rights no? ...or have I just been watching too many episodes of Law & Order?  

has happend to me believe it or not...not for guns but for my car being hit on by dogs for drugs, nothing was found but a small stem in the back seat so they let me go but the drug dogs they use are also trained to smell gun power, cleaning agents etc...so they could have picked up on it and then the girl remembered and told them...LOL youve been watching to many episodes of law and order...I believe after they are read their miranda rights it may be that way but if they needed parental supervision anytime a police officer asked them a question, what would they do when they pulled them over for a traffic violation?

[Kazan]

For cripe sake what a bunch of horse shit, you know because a zero tolerance policy is going to stop someone if they really want to shoot the place up . Oh shit I was going to shoot up the school but they have a zero tolerance policy on guns, damnit foiled again

[24KT]

has happend to me believe it or not...not for guns but for my car being hit on by dogs for drugs, nothing was found but a small stem in the back seat so they let me go but the drug dogs they use are also trained to smell gun power, cleaning agents etc...so they could have picked up on it and then the girl remembered and told them...LOL youve been watching to many episodes of law and order...I believe after they are read their miranda rights it may be that way but if they needed parental supervision anytime a police officer asked them a question, what would they do when they pulled them over for a traffic violation?

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense if using drug sniffing dogs, ...however, wouldn't that still be a violation of her 4th amendment rights? A K-9 is still a police officer, and could still be considered a search by a police officer in the absence of a warrant, and without probable cause? Wouldn't that now be considered inadmissable "fruit from a poisoned tree"? (A direct phrase from an episode of Law & Order: SVU)  

[tonymctones]

Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense if using drug sniffing dogs, ...however, wouldn't that still be a violation of her 4th amendment rights? A K-9 is still a police officer, and could still be considered a search by a police officer in the absence of a warrant, and without probable cause? Wouldn't that now be considered inadmissable "fruit from a poisoned tree"? (A direct phrase from an episode of Law & Order: SVU)  

the dog hitting on the car or locker of the student is probable cause, ever go through a check point at the border up there? dont know if its like it is down here on this border but they have a dog go around your car and if it hits on something they search your vehicle.

[tonymctones]

For cripe sake what a bunch of horse shit, you know because a zero tolerance policy is going to stop someone if they really want to shoot the place up . Oh shit I was going to shoot up the school but they have a zero tolerance policy on guns, damnit foiled again

as someone who attended a high school in which gangs where a slight problem. Guns on school grounds arent necissarily for shooting up randomn ppl. A number of kids bring guns to school for "protection" and thats what this is geared towards if you ask me.

There are probably a lot of guns on school grounds that arent there with the intent of killing random ppl. Just brought with the student "just in case" something happens to happen: a fight, they get jumped, someone hits on their girlfriend etc...

sorry like I said you dont just accidentally leave a gun in a car and especially not a hunting rifle...While she may have innocently done so she needs to be punished in some form.

[Kazan]

as someone who attended a high school in which gangs where a slight problem. Guns on school grounds arent necissarily for shooting up randomn ppl. A number of kids bring guns to school for "protection" and thats what this is geared towards if you ask me.

There are probably a lot of guns on school grounds that arent there with the intent of killing random ppl. Just brought with the student "just in case" something happens to happen: a fight, they get jumped, someone hits on their girlfriend etc...

sorry like I said you dont just accidentally leave a gun in a car and especially not a hunting rifle...While she may have innocently done so she needs to be punished in some form.

Laws like these are designed for those that actually follow the law, not criminals because they don't give a shit about the law. I have lived in Illinois my whole life and we have some of the most stringent firearms laws, hell you have to get a license to even hold a gun in a shop let alone buy one. But I can turn on the news any night and here about at least one person being shot or killed. Wow those laws are working wonders

[tonymctones]

Laws like these are designed for those that actually follow the law, not criminals because they don't give a shit about the law. I have lived in Illinois my whole life and we have some of the most stringent firearms laws, hell you have to get a license to even hold a gun in a shop let alone buy one. But I can turn on the news any night and here about at least one person being shot or killed. Wow those laws are working wonders

right my point is that in schools with metal detectors, most these days I would assume. Students that do bring guns to school do not keep them on them, they keep them in their cars. While she may be a law abiding "A" student there are probably students out their that arent and have the guns in their cars for "protection". How do you decide which one to punish and which one to let slide?

sorry again you dont accidentally leave a gun in a car, certainly not a hunting rifle

there are only a handful of reasons to carry a hunting rifle with you the main two being youre going hunting or your going to the range....who just carries a hunting rifle around with them?

[Kazan]

right my point is that in schools with metal detectors, most these days I would assume. Students that do bring guns to school do not keep them on them, they keep them in their cars. While she may be a law abiding "A" student there are probably students out their that arent and have the guns in their cars for "protection". How do you decide which one to punish and which one to let slide?

sorry again you dont accidentally leave a gun in a car, certainly not a hunting rifle

there are only a handful of reasons to carry a hunting rifle with you the main two being youre going hunting or your going to the range....who just carries a hunting rifle around with them?

Take a look in the real window of just about an 4X4 down south,bet you find a gun rack with atleast 1 rifle or shot gun.

[tonymctones]

Take a look in the real window of just about an 4X4 down south,bet you find a gun rack with atleast 1 rifle or shot gun.

LOL I live in cypress, which is a suburb of Houston...pretty southern Id say and its not as prevelant as youd expect and while yes gun racks are carrying guns with is not...again you dont carry a hunting rifle unless youre going to the range or going hunting...

I own several guns and I can tell you exactly where each and everyone of those guns are right now...not a single one is being left unattended in my truck...

[Skip8282]

right my point is that in schools with metal detectors, most these days I would assume. Students that do bring guns to school do not keep them on them, they keep them in their cars. While she may be a law abiding "A" student there are probably students out their that arent and have the guns in their cars for "protection". How do you decide which one to punish and which one to let slide?

sorry again you dont accidentally leave a gun in a car, certainly not a hunting rifle

there are only a handful of reasons to carry a hunting rifle with you the main two being youre going hunting or your going to the range....who just carries a hunting rifle around with them?

Yeah, I agree.  At one time it was ok to have your hunting rifle in the car.  These days it's considered unacceptable.

Kazan, I think theft is probably the bigger issue.  When I was in HS, you could leave your gun in your car and not worry.  These days, I have little doubt that thing would be stolen.  But, I think you're right about it not having anything to do with preventing a shooting spree.

[Kazan]

LOL I live in cypress, which is a suburb of Houston...pretty southern Id say and its not as prevelant as youd expect and while yes gun racks are carrying guns with is not...again you dont carry a hunting rifle unless youre going to the range or going hunting...

I own several guns and I can tell you exactly where each and everyone of those guns are right now...not a single one is being left unattended in my truck...

Well it was supposed to be a joke, I know where all my guns are as well, locked in the gun safe. The point is the girl doesn't need to be expelled, they want to punish her fine suspend her, but there doesn't appear to be ill intent.