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Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« on: December 09, 2010, 03:32:00 PM »
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Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.


It is no secret that the ranks of scientists and engineers in the United States include dismal numbers of Hispanics and African-Americans, but few have remarked about another significantly underrepresented group: Republicans.

No, this is not the punch line of a joke. A Pew Research Center Poll from July 2009 showed that only around 6 percent of U.S. scientists are

This immense imbalance has political consequences. When President Obama appears Wednesday on Discovery Channel's Mythbusters (9 p.m. ET), he will be there not just to encourage youngsters to do their science homework but also to reinforce the idea that Democrats are the party of science and rationality. And why not? Most scientists are already on his side. Imagine if George W. Bush had tried such a stunt—every major newspaper in the country would have run an op-ed piece by some Nobel Prize winner asking how the guy who prohibited stem-cell research and denied climate change could have the gall to appear on a program that extols the power of scientific thinking.

Yet, partisan politics aside, why should it matter that there are so few Republican scientists? After all, it's the scientific facts that matter, and facts aren't blue or red.
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Well, that's not quite right. Consider the case of climate change, of which beliefs are astonishingly polarized according to party affiliation and ideology. A March 2010 Gallup poll showed that 66 percent of Democrats (and 74 percent of liberals) say the effects of global warming are already occurring, as opposed to 31 percent of Republicans. Does that mean that Democrats are more than twice as likely to accept and understand the scientific truth of the matter? And that Republicans are dominated by scientifically illiterate yahoos and corporate shills willing to sacrifice the planet for short-term economic and political gain?

Or could it be that disagreements over climate change are essentially political—and that science is just carried along for the ride? For 20 years, evidence about global warming has been directly and explicitly linked to a set of policy responses demanding international governance regimes, large-scale social engineering, and the redistribution of wealth. These are the sort of things that most Democrats welcome, and most Republicans hate. No wonder the Republicans are suspicious of the science.

Think about it: The results of climate science, delivered by scientists who are overwhelmingly Democratic, are used over a period of decades to advance a political agenda that happens to align precisely with the ideological preferences of Democrats. Coincidence—or causation? Now this would be a good case for Mythbusters.

During the Bush administration, Democrats discovered that they could score political points by accusing Bush of being anti-science. In the process, they seem to have convinced themselves that they are the keepers of the Enlightenment spirit, and that those who disagree with them on issues like climate change are fundamentally irrational. Meanwhile, many Republicans have come to believe that mainstream science is corrupted by ideology and amounts to no more than politics by another name. Attracted to fringe scientists like the small and vocal group of climate skeptics, Republicans appear to be alienated from a mainstream scientific community that by and large doesn't share their political beliefs. The climate debacle is only the most conspicuous example of these debilitating tendencies, which play out in issues as diverse as nuclear waste disposal, protection of endangered species, and regulation of pharmaceuticals.

How would a more politically diverse scientific community improve this situation? First, it could foster greater confidence among Republican politicians about the legitimacy of mainstream science. Second, it would cultivate more informed, creative, and challenging debates about the policy implications of scientific knowledge. This could help keep difficult problems like climate change from getting prematurely straitjacketed by ideology. A more politically diverse scientific community would, overall, support a healthier relationship between science and politics.

American society has long tended toward pragmatism, with a great deal of respect for the value and legitimacy not just of scientific facts, but of scientists themselves. For example, survey data show that the scientific community enjoys the trust of 90 percent of Americans—more than for any other institution, including the Supreme Court and the military. Yet this exceptional status could well be forfeit in the escalating fervor of national politics, given that most scientists are on one side of the partisan divide. If that public confidence is lost, it would be a huge and perhaps unrecoverable loss for a democratic society.

It doesn't seem plausible that the dearth of Republican scientists has the same causes as the under-representation of women or minorities in science. I doubt that teachers are telling young Republicans that math is too hard for them, as they sometimes do with girls; or that socioeconomic factors are making it difficult for Republican students to succeed in science, as is the case for some ethnic minority groups. The idea of mentorship programs for Republican science students, or scholarship programs to attract Republican students to scientific fields, seems laughable, if delightfully ironic.

Yet there is clearly something going on that is as yet barely acknowledged, let alone understood. As a first step, leaders of the scientific community should be willing to investigate and discuss the issue. They will, of course, be loath to do so because it threatens their most cherished myths of a pure science insulated from dirty partisanship. In lieu of any real effort to understand and grapple with the politics of science, we can expect calls for more "science literacy" as public confidence begins to wane. But the issue here is legitimacy, not literacy. A democratic society needs Republican scientists.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 07:23:02 PM »
Only 6% of scientists are republicans.

Wow... doesn't exactly reflect well on the intelligence of that group as a whole, eh?  ;)

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 07:32:09 PM »
Only 6% of scientists are republicans.

Wow... doesn't exactly reflect well on the intelligence of that group as a whole, eh?  ;)

I used to work at Fermi Lab and had lots of interaction with scientist, let me tell you something, all of them put together had the common sense of a rock.
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 07:34:53 PM »
perhaps its the rigid liberal testing of marxist subjects such as math and language arts that alienate so many republicans.

or perhaps 'common sense' is what more repubs have - and book/school/technical smarts are what lazy worthless libs possess?

it seems weird that repubs are perceived as the hard working ones, and libs are the lazy sacks of shit smoking pot all day on the couch... and the people curing cancer and designing faster computers are LIBS hahaha

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 07:39:21 PM »
perhaps its the rigid liberal testing of marxist subjects such as math and language arts that alienate so many republicans.

or perhaps 'common sense' is what more repubs have - and book/school/technical smarts are what lazy worthless libs possess?

it seems weird that repubs are perceived as the hard working ones, and libs are the lazy sacks of shit smoking pot all day on the couch... and the people curing cancer and designing faster computers are LIBS hahaha

Whatever dude, these guys could sit around and solve a problem 3 blackboards long but didn't have the common sense to put on their pants in the morning without someone telling them to. They could do one thing well everything else not so much. It was like a room full of rain man.

They came up with theories we built the stuff, hand one of those goofy fuckers a screw driver they would probably stab themselves in the eye.
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2010, 07:47:45 PM »
I guess it's just confusing me...

repubs claim to be the smarter, hard working group.  Libs are the worthless leeches.

Suddenly it's libs that are building better cars, finding ways to keep us alive longer, and

Suddenly it's repubs that are the 'common sense' ones - although all the common sense in the world can't help some of them keep their fingers off the trigger when not aiming a gun...

Anyway, IMO anytime a party resorts to "i don't need them booksmarts - I already gots common senss" - they are typically the dumbest shits in the room.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2010, 07:50:56 PM »
I guess it's just confusing me...

repubs claim to be the smarter, hard working group.  Libs are the worthless leeches.

Suddenly it's libs that are building better cars, finding ways to keep us alive longer, and

Suddenly it's repubs that are the 'common sense' ones - although all the common sense in the world can't help some of them keep their fingers off the trigger when not aiming a gun...

Anyway, IMO anytime a party resorts to "i don't need them booksmarts - I already gots common senss" - they are typically the dumbest shits in the room.

Has nothing to do with that, you think being an idiot savant is some great accomplishment for democrats, more power to ya.

Let me put it another way, where do scientist get their money, most of the time government grants. You can figure out the rest
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2010, 07:52:19 PM »
I guess it's just confusing me...

repubs claim to be the smarter, hard working group.  Libs are the worthless leeches.

Suddenly it's libs that are building better cars, finding ways to keep us alive longer, and

Suddenly it's repubs that are the 'common sense' ones - although all the common sense in the world can't help some of them keep their fingers off the trigger when not aiming a gun...

Anyway, IMO anytime a party resorts to "i don't need them booksmarts - I already gots common senss" - they are typically the dumbest shits in the room.

A lot of scientists don't give two shits about politics. They go wherever they get paid to do research.

Good trolling, though.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2010, 07:55:22 PM »
Let me put it another way, where do scientist get their money, most of the time government grants. You can figure out the rest

I see.  So when the repubs controlled congress for 12 years, from 94 til 2006... the years when medicines to make our penises work, and computer that fit in the palm of our hands...

the repubs were feeding money to the evil libs, then?



LOL... I think it's funny.  If only 6% of scientists were libs, it would be a 'told ya so, libs are all dumb shits".


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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2010, 07:59:23 PM »
I see.  So when the repubs controlled congress for 12 years, from 94 til 2006... the years when medicines to make our penises work, and computer that fit in the palm of our hands...

the repubs were feeding money to the evil libs, then?



LOL... I think it's funny.  If only 6% of scientists were libs, it would be a 'told ya so, libs are all dumb shits".



I personally don't give shit, but you trying to make the case that since 94% of scientist are dems so they are smarter shows me you have never had to deal with scientist.
Most of the guys had to live right on site because they could function as a normal human being, the only normal for them was their work.

Oh and when I worked there we always had more funding when a Democrat was POTUS
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2010, 08:10:12 PM »
LOL @ 240 playing devils idiot  ::)

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2010, 08:35:51 PM »
LOL @ 240 playing devils idiot  ::)

lol at nobody delivering a good reason why the people delivering the life-changing inventions of our world being lazy slub libs.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2010, 08:38:22 PM »
lol at nobody delivering a good reason why the people delivering the life-changing inventions of our world being lazy slub libs.
hahahah what reason would you like?

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2010, 08:40:24 PM »
hahahah what reason would you like?

I already presented my theory.  Something about the intelligence of that voting bloc as a whole. 

I was hoping we'd hear some other theories.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2010, 08:44:43 PM »
I already presented my theory.  Something about the intelligence of that voting bloc as a whole. 

I was hoping we'd hear some other theories.
LOL what you did was a satiracal line of bull shit...when you want to talk honestly and seriously let me know. The tongue and cheek bull shit that you par take in and try to act as if you have know idea why ppl take offense to is idiotic but keep it up as is par for you devils idiot

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2010, 08:48:36 PM »
lol at nobody delivering a good reason why the people delivering the life-changing inventions of our world being lazy slub libs.

Well name a few and who invented them
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2010, 09:06:06 PM »
Well name a few and who invented them

94% of them, according to this poll, aren't republicans.

So we can safely say that 3 in 50 inventions or health advancements we enjoy were deliverd by repub scientists.  Awesome.







Really tho, it comes down to Rachel maddow vs. Sarah palin... that whole dynamic.

You ask any lib who is smarter- they say maddow.
You ask any repub who is smarter - they say palin.

You ask any moderate who is smarter - they realize that while maddow's education and grasp of the issues indeed PWN palins verifiably, most people believe "smarter" is whose political beliefs to which you subscribe.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2010, 05:49:45 PM »
94% of them, according to this poll, aren't republicans.

So we can safely say that 3 in 50 inventions or health advancements we enjoy were deliverd by repub scientists.  Awesome.







Really tho, it comes down to Rachel maddow vs. Sarah palin... that whole dynamic.

You ask any lib who is smarter- they say maddow.
You ask any repub who is smarter - they say palin.

You ask any moderate who is smarter - they realize that while maddow's education and grasp of the issues indeed PWN palins verifiably, most people believe "smarter" is whose political beliefs to which you subscribe.


So your not going answer the question? What a surprise.

I don't think Palin or Maddow are smart, they may have good writers, smart no.
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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2010, 06:26:59 PM »
I don't think Palin or Maddow are smart, they may have good writers, smart no.

maddow has a phd.  They don't give those to dummies.  And I've seen her interviewed and appearing on shows when asked live challenging Qs - she usually has a lot of info/facts and a decent point (matching her particular value system).

I have no problem admitting she's smart.   Cheney was an evil dude, but he was a brilliant man.  There are lots of smart people who are misguided.

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Re: Most scientists in this country are Democrats. That's a problem.
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2010, 06:34:01 PM »
Yet another thread where 240 has to bring up Palin..... ::)   Dude, did she shoot your dog or something?  Damn......

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2010, 06:35:03 PM »
Yet another thread where 240 has to bring up Palin..... ::)   Dude, did she shoot your dog or something?  Damn......


nah.  my dog would have been smart enough to run after her first missed 4 shots.

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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2010, 06:37:50 PM »

nah.  my dog would have been smart enough to run after her first missed 4 shots.

Mailbox?  She did something to you...... maybe she declined your pm advances ?   ;D

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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2010, 06:42:02 PM »
Mailbox?  She did something to you...... maybe she declined your pm advances ?   ;D

I'll be honest, she did repudiate my advances.  Enough that I wanted to move to north south korea.  I felt a little retarded (okay cause it's satire unless satirical south park does it).  Pardon me, I want a turkey sandwich.




haha what golden headlines!

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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2010, 07:08:59 PM »
maddow has a phd.  They don't give those to dummies.  And I've seen her interviewed and appearing on shows when asked live challenging Qs - she usually has a lot of info/facts and a decent point (matching her particular value system).

I have no problem admitting she's smart.   Cheney was an evil dude, but he was a brilliant man.  There are lots of smart people who are misguided.


You seem to equate being smart with a degree/piece of paper, I don't. From my experience the worst people I have to do with are "educated", they like you seem to think since they have a piece of paper they know everything, not the case.

As far as being asked questions on shows, who cares? Who is Maddow? Is she important for some reason I'm not aware of? SAme goes for Palin or anyone else.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2010, 07:16:29 PM »
i can try to clarify...

maddow demonstrates the ability to function at the higher levels of blooms taxonomy.

Knowledge, comprehension, application = lower level.  Palin is good at these.  She can scream catch phrases which rile up the masses.

Analysis, synthesis, evaluation.  Palin sucks when asked to give actual solutions to problems.  her solution to the problem of amnesty was, well, to give them amnesty.  LOL.

Maddow functions better at those higher levels.  The booksmarts help with being able to do that.  She can draw from a greater collection of information, and she has experience doing the analysis, synthesis, evaluation from her coursework. Does that clarify what I'm saying?