our country is in the shape it's in due to these 6 words?

[Tom]

so i'm shooting the breeze at the gym with this dude and we get to talking about politics and what's happening in the u.s. for like years now and he says to me " the problems with our country i can sum up in 6 words!" the 6 words he says?

"unchecked and rewarded stupidity and greed".

pretty simple yet i thought pretty damn bullseye, maybe too simplistic, but it's a good start in the conversation.

[The_Hammer]

Basically that guy is correct.

Thankfully President Obama has enforced regulation on Greedy Wall Street and has been trying to extend tax cuts for the middle and lower class.

However, REPUBLICANS don't want to help the middle and lower class unless the wealthiest of Americans are also granted a tax cut.  The Democrats care about the salt of the earth working class folk while REPUBLICANS only care about wealthy white collar millionaires and billionaires.

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[makaveli25]

Hammer who do you think are the people making over 250,000 dollars a year? They're the small business owners! They're the ones that hire people! They're the tax payers, they're the ones that put back into the economy. Why should they be taxed more than anyone else because they worked hard and were successful. No matter how poor I'm right now I don't expect a handout or help for the government. I was unemployed for a few months and I felt like a dirt looser I had to get a job as soon as I could.

Isn't the America dream to be as successfull as you can and make a lot of money. Why should people be punished for that. We need to give the small business owner the same breaks we all get. Trickle down economics its simple science.

[stormshadow]

so i'm shooting the breeze at the gym with this dude and we get to talking about politics and what's happening in the u.s. for like years now and he says to me " the problems with our country i can sum up in 6 words!" the 6 words he says?

"unchecked and rewarded stupidity and greed".

pretty simple yet i thought pretty damn bullseye, maybe too simplistic, but it's a good start in the conversation.

Nope, he's a dumbass that thinks we have broken branches on a living tree when the reality is the tree was cut down and replaced with a picture.

"Money Changers" are the words you are looking for.

[stormshadow]

Hammer who do you think are the people making over 250,000 dollars a year? They're the small business owners! They're the ones that hire people! They're the tax payers, they're the ones that put back into the economy. Why should they be taxed more than anyone else because they worked hard and were successful. No matter how poor I'm right now I don't expect a handout or help for the government. I was unemployed for a few months and I felt like a dirt looser I had to get a job as soon as I could.

Isn't the America dream to be as successfull as you can and make a lot of money. Why should people be punished for that. We need to give the small business owner the same breaks we all get. Trickle down economics its simple science.

Shut the fuck up... you sound like a brainwashed Republican that listens to AM talk radio.

The monetary system is completely controlled by a central power, you can't even fucking begin to have a free market system with anything close to fair competition when the deck is completely stacked.  Who creates the new money? Who gets it first? Who gets the zero interest loans? Who gets the government contracts of guaranteed business and inflated rates?

Why can investment banks borrow at .25% interest and turn around and buy government debt and earn 4% on it?

Why did my credit union increase my interest rate from 6% to 11% when my credit history is flawless and I've never missed a payment?

[The_Hammer]

Hammer who do you think are the people making over 250,000 dollars a year? They're the small business owners! They're the ones that hire people! They're the tax payers, they're the ones that put back into the economy. Why should they be taxed more than anyone else because they worked hard and were successful. No matter how poor I'm right now I don't expect a handout or help for the government. I was unemployed for a few months and I felt like a dirt looser I had to get a job as soon as I could.

Isn't the America dream to be as successfull as you can and make a lot of money. Why should people be punished for that. We need to give the small business owner the same breaks we all get. Trickle down economics its simple science.

[Ares]

Shut the fuck up... you sound like a brainwashed Republican that listens to AM talk radio.

The monetary system is completely controlled by a central power, you can't even fucking begin to have a free market system with anything close to fair competition when the deck is completely stacked.  Who creates the new money? Who gets it first? Who gets the zero interest loans? Who gets the government contracts of guaranteed business and inflated rates?

Why can investment banks borrow at .25% interest and turn around and buy government debt and earn 4% on it?

Why did my credit union increase my interest rate from 6% to 11% when my credit history is flawless and I've never missed a payment?

What does that have to do with makaveli25's point?  The central banking structure you bitch about, and which I despise, goes back to 1913 here in the States and includes Robber Baron families like the Rothschilds, Gettys, Morgans, Rockefellers etc. They are not the ones making 250k in small business.

They makes millions/billions from dividends etc.  The system is totally corrupted from the inside out, but raising taxes on people making 250k like doctors and small business owners isn't going to solve the problem of central bankers and government corruption of our financial system.

What needs to happen is a rewrite of the monetary policy and tax codes so that active income earners are not screwed at 35-40% taxes,  while "too big to fail" companies are left to survive on their own wits rather than play with our money then have the government bail them out when they fuck up.

Fractional Reserve lending based on fiat money with rigged laws  all the while steered by an autonomous private bank is no way to run an economy.

They should just have made the cut-off  at 1,000,000 -  problem solved.  Hard to argue FOR millionaires, and all the small business owners are good to go too.

[makaveli25]

Brainwashed democrats. Obama should go after the public sector if he's looking to get some money. Go after the unions and the bigshots in Washington spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax payer money. Cut welfare for christ sake make those people do some work. Sterlize and drug test the people on welfare.

[StickStickly]

Basically that guy is correct.

Thankfully President Obama has enforced regulation on Greedy Wall Street and has been trying to extend tax cuts for the middle and lower class.

However, REPUBLICANS don't want to help the middle and lower class unless the wealthiest of Americans are also granted a tax cut.  The Democrats care about the salt of the earth working class folk while REPUBLICANS only care about wealthy white collar millionaires and billionaires.

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Don't say that, you will upset all the poor and middle class republicans on here like coach. 

[#1 Klaus fan]

Wake up you fucking idiot! In what shape your country is in? You have no wars, you have no huge protests and car burnings, your average Joe gets by just fine. Yeah, you have your homeless people but you've had 'em forever. You have what, double the income at your disposal compared to the 70's. They had double the amount than in the 30's. Still the same complaining always takes place. What is enough???

[makaveli25]

Wake up you fucking idiot! In what shape your country is in? You have no wars, you have no huge protests and car burnings, your average Joe gets by just fine. Yeah, you have your homeless people but you've had 'em forever. You have what, double the income at your disposal compared to the 70's. They had double the amount than in the 30's. Still the same complaining always takes place. What is enough???

You got a point. We're the only county where our poorest are some of the fattest. Everyone has a tv and video game systems. No one really goes hungry. We are better off then most.

[dantelis]

I thought the 6 words that got us in the shape we are in is, "do you want fries with that?". 

[pellius]

Basically that guy is correct.

Thankfully President Obama has enforced regulation on Greedy Wall Street and has been trying to extend tax cuts for the middle and lower class.

However, REPUBLICANS don't want to help the middle and lower class unless the wealthiest of Americans are also granted a tax cut.  The Democrats care about the salt of the earth working class folk while REPUBLICANS only care about wealthy white collar millionaires and billionaires.

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FFS! Get it right. Nobody is getting a tax cut. It's just leaving it the way it is. Not raising taxes on anybody. Rich or poor.

And whether you are rich or poor why is it better that the government gets more of your money rather than you, who actually had to go out and earn it? Do you think the government spends the money that they confiscate from others more wisely and productively than those who had to earn it themselves?
 

[tbombz]

Trickle down economics its simple science.

LOL, yeah, a very simple science that has been disproven time and time again.

[JOHN MATRIX]

 The central banking structure you bitch about, and which I despise, goes back to 1913 here in the States and includes Robber Baron families like the Rothschilds, Gettys, Morgans, Rockefellers etc. They are not the ones making 250k in small business.

They makes millions/billions from dividends etc.  The system is totally corrupted from the inside out, but raising taxes on people making 250k like doctors and small business owners isn't going to solve the problem of central bankers and government corruption of our financial system.

What needs to happen is a rewrite of the monetary policy and tax codes so that active income earners are not screwed at 35-40% taxes,  while "too big to fail" companies are left to survive on their own wits rather than play with our money then have the government bail them out when they fuck up.

Fractional Reserve lending based on fiat money with rigged laws  all the while steered by an autonomous private bank is no way to run an economy.

They should just have made the cut-off  at 1,000,000 -  problem solved.  Hard to argue FOR millionaires, and all the small business owners are good to go too.

bingo.

this banking cartel is the real power behind the scenes....our entire 'system' is designed basically to exploit the masses for their gain.

[~UN_$ung~]

thats definitely true.........but there are some other reasons of equal import

"too many stupid people making too many stupid people"

and

"white guilt"


are two gigantic reasons from my POV

[makaveli25]

LOL, yeah, a very simple science that has been disproven time and time again.

When has it been disproven. When It's done right it works.

[tbombz]

When has it been disproven. When It's done right it works.

read the following. corporations do not hire people based on tax rates, they hire people based on demand.

Brainwashed democrats. Obama should go after the public sector if he's looking to get some money. Go after the unions and the bigshots in Washington spending hundreds of thousands of dollars in tax payer money. Cut welfare for christ sake make those people do some work. Sterlize and drug test the people on welfare.

thats just retarded. there is no money to gain by cutting 'public sector' programs and services. all that will do is damage the economy in both the short term and even more devastatingly in the long run. we need more money going towards public services and more money given out to the lower class. tax cuts and subsidies for the corporations doesnt do jack shit for the economy. dmenad dictates what corporations do, when they hire people, when they contirbute to the economy. cutting their taxes does nothing to increase demand and does nothing to increase the amount of people they hire or the amount of goods they produce. all it does is fatten their wallets at the expense of the american public. the people who will spend money are the low and middle class, and they are where tax cuts and stimulus funds should go. the amount of money we put into public services needs to be drastically increased in certain areas like education where the money put into the system is returned twelve fold over time by increasing the productivity/capabilities of our citizens. welfare is one of the best things for the economy, cuz those people spend their checks and spend it on things that drive business.

[tbombz]

FFS! Get it right. Nobody is getting a tax cut. It's just leaving it the way it is. Not raising taxes on anybody. Rich or poor.

And whether you are rich or poor why is it better that the government gets more of your money rather than you, who actually had to go out and earn it? Do you think the government spends the money that they confiscate from others more wisely and productively than those who had to earn it themselves?
 

  if the government didnt "confiscate" our money, we would not have a military, police, courts system and prisons, fire fighters, roads, schools, and you would probably be forced to live like a cave man or work 12 hour days, making barely enough to survive in some wretched factory somewhere.  and who should pay for government ? well, where is all the money at? not in the hands of the middle and lower class! the money is in the hands of the major corporations, and they should be the ones paying the majority of the taxes as well.

[Coach is Back!]

Don't say that, you will upset all the poor and middle class republicans on here like coach. 

I'm sorry, did you say something? Do you even have a job (yet)? Who care's if I'm middle class, you have a problem with that? According to shithead (Obama) I'm considered rich and he's going to tax the shit out of me, you on the other hand probably don't even make enough to be taxed, must be nice to have your parents pay your way.

[StickStickly]

Hammer who do you think are the people making over 250,000 dollars a year? They're the small business owners! They're the ones that hire people! They're the tax payers, they're the ones that put back into the economy. Why should they be taxed more than anyone else because they worked hard and were successful. No matter how poor I'm right now I don't expect a handout or help for the government. I was unemployed for a few months and I felt like a dirt looser I had to get a job as soon as I could.

Isn't the America dream to be as successfull as you can and make a lot of money. Why should people be punished for that. We need to give the small business owner the same breaks we all get. Trickle down economics its simple science.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA I bet you like it when daddy tells you its trickle down economics and you proceed to open your mouth like a baby bird waiting for its grub and he proceeds to give you a golden shower and hot steaming shit log in your mouth. What a fool you are to still believe in trickle down economics. It's almost like you have no concept of how money works. You want a booming economy?? Give it to the poor who love to continually spend. They are the ones who drive the economy. They buy things they cant afford so they can have it auto deducted from their accounts. That way idiots like you can drop money into the stock market over imaginary profits and drive the delusion along further. Thats how you get a booming economy. Sad but true.

[StickStickly]

I'm sorry, did you say something? Do you even have a job (yet)? Who care's if I'm middle class, you have a problem with that? According to shithead (Obama) I'm considered rich and he's going to tax the shit out of me, you on the other hand probably don't even make enough to be taxed, must be nice to have your parents pay your way.

Admittedly i am very lucky to have the parents that i do. Ironically my parents make the money to where they support obama taxing them as do Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. The people with the money are willing to be taxed. The red faced working men like you are the idiots who vote against your own benefit and elect the republicans who give people like my parents the tax cuts. 

[Coach is Back!]

LOL, yeah, a very simple science that has been disproven time and time again.

It's been proven it works. have you even voted yet and if you haven't why are involved in this thread?

[StickStickly]

It's been proven it works. have you even voted yet and if you haven't why are involved in this thread?

I don't see why age has anything to do with this. A young person can have an opinion just as an old person. If anything we should base it off IQ so they can revoke your voting rights.

[tbombz]

Admittedly i am very lucky to have the parents that i do. Ironically my parents make the money to where they support obama taxing them as do Warren Buffet and Bill Gates. The people with the money are willing to be taxed. The red faced working men like you are the idiots who vote against your own benefit and elect the republicans who give people like my parents the tax cuts.  

qft

It's been proven it works. have you even voted yet and if you haven't why are involved in this thread?

lol, your so ignorant. here, do some reading: http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/69xx/doc6908/12-01-10PercentTaxCut.pdf