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Russian Immigration
« on: December 11, 2010, 08:57:57 AM »
Does anyone know how many immigrants Russia gets every year and from what countries?  

Also, does anyone know how many Russian immigrants the U.S. gets every year?  

I'll try and do some "research," but would be interesting to see what the numbers show.  

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 10:03:33 AM »
LOL who the fuck would immigrate to Russia? Mole people?

As far as Russian immigrants ( and the lesser former Russian republics) to America, I would say 97% percent of them are in New York City. They make up a fairly large group of people. The Russians ( real Russians from Russia, not a Borat country that ends in Stan) are for the most part very eager to assimilate. They all speak Russian, but they associate with other non-russians, watch football, go to bars, get themselves arrested for DUI and etc. Fugazi Russians from those shit countries where rape is considered a national pastime are almost as disgusting as the Muslims that immigrate.

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 10:20:46 AM »
LOL who the fuck would immigrate to Russia? Mole people?


 Fucking no body would the fuck want to immigrate to Russia or China. Russia is for Russian people and China is for Chinese. That's why we stay strong Russia and China. Who the fuck would the fuck want to get fucking fucked in Russia or China? Get the fuck of it or as the saying says - Yankee go home! ;)

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 11:14:06 AM »
oooooh someone learned a new word today....

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 11:56:25 AM »
Fucking no body would the fuck want to immigrate to Russia or China. Russia is for Russian people and China is for Chinese. That's why we stay strong Russia and China. Who the fuck would the fuck want to get fucking fucked in Russia or China? Get the fuck of it or as the saying says - Yankee go home! ;)

You're so strong that it took 13 months to put out a forest fire that practically burned down the entire country, you have some of the lowest fertility rates and life expectancy's in the developed world, half the country lives in abject poverty and is addicted to alcohol and you managed to win a total of zero gold medals in the most recent winter Olympics. I could go on, but I have stuff to do. I'm sure someone else can take over from here and abuse you to death.

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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 12:10:11 PM »
You're so strong that it took 13 months to put out a forest fire that practically burned down the entire country, you have some of the lowest fertility rates and life expectancy's in the developed world, half the country lives in abject poverty and is addicted to alcohol and you managed to win a total of zero gold medals in the most recent winter Olympics. I could go on, but I have stuff to do. I'm sure someone else can take over from here and abuse you to death.

 We may are addicted to alcohol but we ain't no 350 lbs+ obese as the Americans. As for the last Olympic winter as the saying says Russians can defeat anyone and lose to anyone so your rant is not going to abuse me to death. Next winter Olympics are held in Russia! You're welcome I'll beat the shit out of you!

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 12:15:18 PM »
We may are addicted to alcohol but we ain't no 350 lbs+ obese as the Americans. As for the last Olympic winter as the saying says Russians can defeat anyone and lose to anyone so your rant is not going to abuse me to death. Next winter Olympics are held in Russia! You're welcome I'll beat the shit out of you!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 12:16:14 PM »
No immigration statistics in this article, but sounds like Russia doesn't get many immigrants.  

Population Decline in Russia
Russia's Population Set to Decline From 143 Million Today to 111 Million in 2050
By Matt Rosenberg, About.com Guide

Nov 17 2010

Russian President Vladimir Putin recently directed his nation's parliament to develop a plan to reduce the country's falling birthrate. In a speech to parliament on May 10, 2006, Putin called the problem of Russia's dramatically declining population, "The most acute problem of contemporary Russia."

The president called on parliament to provide incentives for couples to have a second child to increase the birth rate in order to stop the country's plummeting population.

Russia's population peaked in the early 1990s (at the time of the end of the Soviet Union) with about 148 million people in the country. Today, Russia's population is approximately 143 million. The United States Census Bureau estimates that Russia's population will decline from the current 143 million to a mere 111 million by 2050, a loss of more than 30 million people and a decrease of more than 20%.

The primary causes of Russia's population decrease and loss of about 700,000 to 800,000 citizens each year are a high death rate, low birth rate, high rate of abortions, and a low level of immigration.

High Death Rate

Russia has a very high death rate of 15 deaths per 1000 people per year. This is far higher than the world's average death rate of just under 9. The death rate in the U.S. is 8 per 1000 and for the United Kingdom it's 10 per 1000. Alcohol-related deaths in Russia are very high and alcohol-related emergencies represent the bulk of emergency room visits in the country.
With this high death rate, Russian life expectancy is low - the World Health Organization estimates the life expectancy of Russian men at 59 years while women's life expectancy is considerably better at 72 years. This difference is primarily a result of high rates of alcoholism among males.

Low Birth Rate

Understandably, due these high rates of alcoholism and economic hardship, women feel less than encouraged to have children in Russia.
Russia's total fertility rate is low at 1.3 births per woman. This number represents the number of children each Russian woman has during her lifetime. A replacement total fertility rate to maintain a stable population is 2.1 births per woman. Obviously, with such a low total fertility rate Russian women are contributing to a declining population.

The birth rate in the country is also quite low; the crude birth rate is 10 births per 1000 people. The world average is just over 20 per 1000 and in the U.S. the rate is 14 per 1000.

Abortion

During the Soviet era, abortion was quite common and was utilized as a method of birth control. That technique remains common and quite popular today, keeping the country's birth rate exceptionally low. According to a Russian news source, there are more abortions than births in Russia.

The online news source mosnews.com reported that in 2004 1.6 million women had abortions in Russia while 1.5 million gave birth. In 2003, the BBC reported that Russia had, "13 terminations for every 10 live births."

Immigration

Additionally, immigration into Russia is low - immigrants are primarily a trickle of ethnic Russians moving out of former republics (but now independent countries) of the Soviet Union. Brain drain and emigration from Russia to Western Europe and other parts of the world is high as native Russians seek to better their economic situation.

Putin himself explored the issues surrounding the low birth rate during his speech, asking "What has prevented a young family, a young woman, from making this decision? The answers are obvious: low incomes, a lack of normal housing, doubts about the level of medical services and quality education. At times, there are doubts about the ability to provide enough food."


http://geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/russiapop.htm

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2010, 12:18:50 PM »
We may are addicted to alcohol but we ain't no 350 lbs+ obese as the Americans. As for the last Olympic winter as the saying says Russians can defeat anyone and lose to anyone so your rant is not going to abuse me to death. Next winter Olympics are held in Russia! You're welcome I'll beat the shit out of you!

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Obesity Conquers Moscow, Threatens to Beat USA and Mexico
02.06.2010

Over 38% of Muscovites are overweight, which is twice as many as 12 years ago, Leonid Lobaznik, chief physician of the Moscow healthcare department told RIA Novosti.

In his words, in 2008 17.3% Muscovites were obese, while today the number is 38.2%. "The reason is fast food and sedentary lifestyle, “the expert explained.

Nutritionists are alarmed. If obesity continues conquering Moscow at this pace, the Russian capital will outrun the USA and Mexico where 30% of adults and 43% of children suffer from obesity.

Russia Today: Millions of Muscovites at risk of toxic waste poisoning

Globalization of nutrition is one of the main reasons of the growing disease. Muscovites choose transnational hamburgers over their traditional cuisine. Developing supermarkets brought more frozen foods, meats, canned foods and sweets.

Foreign foods had long stopped being exotic, and local nutritional traditions get eliminated. Sushi and pizza became a regular food choice for Moscow clerks. Soups are disappearing even from kids’ menu, which alarms Russian medics.

Another reason of obesity growth is declining incomes. The financial crisis has reduced the number of slim citizens. Medics explain that it is not the amount of food, but its low quality that make people overweight.

Breads, potatoes and grains are the foods that make people gain weight. In the late 1980s and especially in the early 1990s many gained weight despite of lowered income. First of all it is true for retirees and students, the most vulnerable categories.

Experts mention that it is much more expensive to lose weight in Moscow than gain it. The initial nutritionist’s consultation is $100. Another $200 is required to develop an individual nutrition plan, and then another $100 dollars is needed per a weekly control visit.

During the crisis many people started ignoring their diets. Muscovites were quitting their healthy life styles. “Diet in the times of crisis is a luxury,” psychologists say.

Yet, there are those who take advantage of mass obesity. Multiple businesses serving obese people flourish in Moscow. Some entrepreneurs sell plus size clothes; others create various informational portals for big people or open modeling schools for plus size models.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/stories/02-06-2010/113612-obesity-0/

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2010, 12:28:53 PM »
BB- stop

He won't recover- lololol

This is almost inhumane

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #10 on: December 11, 2010, 12:32:02 PM »
BB- stop

He won't recover- lololol

This is almost inhumane

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2010, 12:32:34 PM »
LOL at the rate they are going russia will collapse on itself...AGAIN

1.3 replacement rate  :-\, maybe you guys can import chinese broads to give birth to a new superhuman race?

oh wait they have the same problem...LOL super powers :D ::)

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2010, 12:33:44 PM »
Interesting article.  Looks like historically we have gotten a lot of Jewish Russians (if that's the proper phrase) and lots of ethnic Russians.  

RUSSIAN AMERICANS
SIGNIFICANT IMMIGRATION WAVES
 
The first Russians on U. S. territory were part of Russia's internal migration. During the eighteenth century, Russian traders and missionaries crossing Siberia reached Alaska, which became a colony of the Russian Empire. By 1784 the first permanent Russian settlement was founded on Kodiak, a large island off the Alaskan coast. Soon there were Russian colonies on the Alaskan mainland (Yakutat and Sitka), and by 1812 the Russians pushed as far south as Fort Ross in California, 100 miles north of San Francisco. In 1867 the Russian government sold Alaska to the United States, and most Russians in Alaska (whose numbers never exceeded 500) returned home. Russian influence persisted in Alaska, however, in the form of the Orthodox Church, which succeeded in converting as many as 12,000 of the native Inuit and Aleut people.

Large-scale emigration from Russia to the United States only began in the late nineteenth century. Since that time, four distinct periods of immigration can be identified: 1880s-1914; 1920-1939; 1945-1955; and 1970s-present. The reasons for emigration included economic hardship, political repression, religious discrimination, or a combination of those factors.

The pre-1914 Russian Empire was an economically underdeveloped country comprised primarily of poor peasants and a small but growing percentage of poorly paid or unemployed industrial workers. European Russia also encompassed the so-called Pale of Settlement (present-day Lithuania, Belarus, Moldova, and large parts of Poland, and Ukraine). The Pale was the only place Jews were allowed to reside. The vast majority lived in small towns and villages in their own communities known as the shtetl, which were made famous in America through the setting of the Broadway musical Fiddler on the Roof.

Between 1881 and 1914, over 3.2 million immigrants arrived from the Russian Empire. Nearly half were Jews; only 65,000 were ethnically Russian, while the remaining immigrants were Belarusans and Ukrainians. Regardless of their ethnoreligious background, their primary motive was to improve their economic status. Many of the 1.6 million Jews who also left did so because they feared pogroms—attacks on Jewish property and persons that occurred sporadically in the Russian Empire from the 1880s through the first decade of the twentieth century.

While many Jews from the Russian Empire did not identify themselves as Russians, another group of immigrants adopted a Russian identity in the United States. These were the Carpatho-Rusyns, or Ruthenians, from northeastern Hungary and Galicia in the Austro-Hungarian Empire (today far western Ukraine, eastern Slovakia, and southeastern Poland). Of the estimated 225,000 Carpatho-Rusyns who immigrated to the United States before World War I, perhaps 100,000 eventually joined the Orthodox Church, where they and their descendants still identify themselves as Americans of Russian background.

The second wave of immigration was less diverse in origin. It was directly related to the political upheaval in the former Russian Empire that was brought about by the Bolshevik Revolution and Civil War that followed. Over two million persons fled Russia between 1920 and 1922. Whether they were demobilized soldiers from anti-Bolshevik armies, aristocrats, Orthodox clergy, professionals, businesspersons, artists, intellectuals, or peasants, and whether they were of non-Jewish (the majority) or Jewish background, all these refugees had one thing in common—a deep hatred for the new Bolshevik/communist regime in their homeland. Because they were opposed to the communist Reds, these refugees came to be known as the Whites.

The White Russians fled their homeland. They left from the southern Ukraine and the Crimea (the last stronghold of the anti-Bolshevik White Armies) and went first to Istanbul in Turkey before moving on to several countries in the Balkans (especially Yugoslavia and Bulgaria; other countries in east-central Europe; Germany; and France, especially Paris and the French Riviera (Nice and its environs). Others moved directly westward and settled in the newly independent Baltic states, Poland, Czechoslovakia, or farther on to western Europe. A third outlet was in the Russian far east, from where the White émigrés crossed into China, settling in the Manchurian city of Kharbin. As many as 30,000 left the Old World altogether and settled in the United States. This wave of Russian immigration occurred during the early 1920s, although in the late 1930s several thousand more came, fleeing the advance of Nazi Germany and Japan's invasion of Manchuria. During this period, approximately 14,000 immigrants arrived in the United States.

The third wave of Russian immigration to the United States (1945-1955) was a direct outcome of World War II. Large portions of the former Soviet Union had been occupied by Germany, and hundreds of thousands of Russians had been captured or deported to work in Germany. After the war, many were forced to return home. Others lived in displaced-persons camps in Germany and Austria until they were able to immigrate to the United States. During this period, approximately 20,000 of these Russian displaced persons, the so-called DPs, arrived.

Both the tsarist Russian and Soviet governments placed restrictions on emigration. In 1885 the imperial Russian government passed a decree that prohibited all emigration except that of Poles and Jews, which explains the small numbers of non-Jewish Russians in the United States before World War I. By the early 1920s, the Bolshevik/communist-led Soviet government implemented further controls that effectively banned all emigration. As for the second-wave White Russian refugees who fled between 1920 and 1922, they were stripped of their citizenship in absentia and could never legally return home. This situation was the same for the post-World War II DPs, who were viewed as Nazi collaborators and traitors by the Soviet authorities.

In contrast, the fourth wave of Russian immigration that began in late 1969 was legal. It was formally limited to Jews, who were allowed to leave the Soviet Union for Israel as part of the agreements reached between the United States and the Soviet Union during the era of détente. In return for allowing Jews to leave, the United States and other western powers expanded the economic, cultural, and intellectual ties with their communist rival. Although Jews leaving the Soviet Union were only granted permission to go to Israel, many had the United States as their true goal; and by 1985 nearly 300,000 had reached the United States.

After 1985 the more liberal policy of the Soviet government under Mikhail Gorbachev allowed anyone to leave the Soviet Union, and thousands more Jewish and non-Jewish Russians immigrated to the United States. Because Russia is an independent country with a democratically elected government, newcomers cannot justify their claim to emigrate on the grounds of political or religious persecution. This has resulted in a slowing of Russian emigration during the last decade of the twentieth century.

http://www.allied-media.com/RussianMarket/russian_american_immigration.html

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2010, 12:34:59 PM »
The days of Ivan Drago and Nikitta Koloff are over...... :-\



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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 12:39:39 PM »
Another article.  http://countrystudies.us/russia/30.htm

They didn't let people leave.   :o  "Second, the general right to emigrate was written into law in the 1993 constitution." 

And yet their population is declining?  Sounds like people can't get out of Russia fast enough. 

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2010, 12:42:54 PM »
Another article.  http://countrystudies.us/russia/30.htm

They didn't let people leave.   :o  "Second, the general right to emigrate was written into law in the 1993 constitution." 

And yet their population is declining?  Sounds like people can't get out of Russia fast enough. 

Some are even binge drinking and then going swimming in 100 degree heat. Maybe they aren't killing themselves on purpose, but it makes one wonder.  ;D

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2010, 12:46:20 PM »
Some are even binge drinking and then going swimming in 100 degree heat. Maybe they aren't killing themselves on purpose, but it makes one wonder.  ;D

lol

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2010, 02:56:41 PM »
Haha, BB laying out a beatdown on the Russian troll.

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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 06:54:11 PM »
Haha, BB laying out a beatdown on the Russian troll.
??? only does ocean separate us ;)

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 06:56:57 PM »
I don't believe this guy is even russian......who in the hell that lives in that craphole would be defending it the way he does? 

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« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 07:00:36 PM »
I don't believe this guy is even russian......who in the hell that lives in that craphole would be defending it the way he does?  

 I would tear you apart for craphole, only would.call himself The showstoppa!

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2010, 05:41:30 AM »
I would tear you apart for craphole, only would.call himself The showstoppa!

haha, ain't nothing between us but air, an ocean and opportunity......course you probably live in Cleveland....

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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2010, 07:53:05 AM »
haha, ain't nothing between us but air, an ocean and opportunity......course you probably live in Cleveland....

 Who would live in a craphole that is Cleveland? ;) Living the real deal in orthodox Russia! Not making an enemy but let's take it for what it is, we are both living in strong countries that is America and Russia, Both are different yet don't fool yourself you don't know much of Russia as I do know about America. Thats why I'm here. ;D

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Re: Russian Immigration
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2010, 07:54:12 AM »
 And mods who had modified my message - it's a bad idea modifying someone else's messages, you better just delete it! Thanks for attention!

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2010, 07:59:53 AM »
And mods who had modified my message - it's a bad idea modifying someone else's messages, you better just delete it! Thanks for attention!

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