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Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« on: December 12, 2010, 11:49:10 AM »
Keep in mind when you vote in 2012 that we're one vote away from possible pretty strict gun control. 

Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
Published December 12, 2010
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If you look at the values and the historical record, you will see that the Founding Fathers never intended guns to go unregulated, Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer contended Sunday.

Appearing on "Fox News Sunday," Breyer said history stands with the dissenters in the court's decision to overturn a Washington, D.C., handgun ban in the 2008 case "D.C. v. Heller."

Breyer wrote the dissent and was joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg. He said historians would side with him in the case because they have concluded that Founding Father James Madison was more worried that the Constitution may not be ratified than he was about granting individuals the right to bear arms.

Madison "was worried about opponents who would think Congress would call up state militias and nationalize them. 'That can't happen,' said Madison," said Breyer, adding that historians characterize Madison's priority as, "I've got to get this document ratified."

Therefore, Madison included the Second Amendment to appease the states, Breyer said.

"If you're interested in history, and in this one history was important, then I think you do have to pay attention to the story," Breyer said. "If that was his motive historically, the dissenters were right. And I think more of the historians were with us."

That being the case, and particularly since the Founding Fathers did not foresee how modern day would change individual behavior, government bodies can impose regulations on guns, Breyer concluded.

In July 2008, the concurring opinion in "D.C. v. Heller" written by Justice Antonin Scalia and shared by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. found that the district's ban on handgun possession at home "violates the Second Amendment, as does its prohibition against rendering any lawful firearm in the home operable for the purpose of immediate self-defense."
The ruling raised concerns by dissenters like Breyer that gun laws nationwide would be thrown out. That has not happened yet.

Breyer, who just published "Making Our Democracy Work," a book about the role of the court in American life, outlined his judicial philosophy as one in which the court must take a pragmatic approach in which it "should regard the Constitution as containing unwavering values that must be applied flexibly to ever-changing circumstances."

Since the Founding Fathers could not foresee the impact of modern day communications and technology, the only option is to take the values of the Founding Fathers and apply them to today's challenges.

"The difficult job in open cases where there is no clear answer is to take those values in this document, which all Americans hold, which do not change, and to apply them to a world that is ever changing," Breyer said. "It's not a matter of policy. It is a matter of what those framers intended."

He suggested that those values and intentions mean that the Second Amendment allows for restrictions on the individual, including an all-out ban on handguns in the nation's capital.

"We're acting as judges. If we're going to decide everything on the basis of history -- by the way, what is the scope of the right to keep and bear arms? Machine guns? Torpedoes? Handguns?" he asked. "Are you a sportsman? Do you like to shoot pistols at targets? Well, get on the subway and go to Maryland. There is no problem, I don't think, for anyone who really wants to have a gun."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/12/breyer-founding-fathers-allowed-restrictions-guns/

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 11:55:48 AM »
We already do.  Next. 

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2010, 12:28:47 PM »
How come obama hasn't gone after gun rights?  Everyone at my local gun store said he'd ban them.

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 12:33:56 PM »
lol.  The president can't ban guns. 

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 12:42:09 PM »
As if destroying health care wasn't enough.

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 12:44:13 PM »
lol.  The president can't ban guns. 

Agreed.  But a lot of people were running around screaming about how obama was going to do it.  It's pretty silly, right 333386?

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2010, 12:48:41 PM »
Not all.  Look at his record and that of pelosi, schumer et al. 

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2010, 01:06:02 PM »
Not all.  Look at his record and that of pelosi, schumer et al. 

Please show me what legislation Senator or President Obama enacted, wrote or supported which tried to ban guns.  Thanks!

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 01:10:24 PM »
He voiced support for thw awb as well as chicagos ban on handguns.

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 01:39:39 PM »
I wonder what other rights this lib wants curtailed? 

I have said it all along, other than abortion, most on the left don't giver a damn about individual rights.

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 01:47:47 PM »
He voiced support for thw awb as well as chicagos ban on handguns.

Oh.  In his entire 20 year public career, he once "voiced support"?

That's it?  Palin "voiced support" for the alaskan separist movement.  But until she writes some legislation to actually do something, we can call it crazy pillow talk.

He hasn't touched american gun rights, right? 

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2010, 01:51:35 PM »
No he hasn't but he voiced support for a handgun ban as did holder and we all know the congress is run by far left freaks. 

The fear was not unreasonable.

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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2010, 02:28:05 PM »
No he hasn't but he voiced support for a handgun ban as did holder and we all know the congress is run by far left freaks.  

The fear was not unreasonable.

you think every dem and probably half the repubs are far left freaks

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2010, 02:48:09 PM »
How come obama hasn't gone after gun rights?  Everyone at my local gun store said he'd ban them.



Who says he hasn't done it in a round about way?  He appointed Sotomayor.  Why don't you check out her stance on the 2nd amendment.

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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2010, 03:19:08 PM »
Who says he hasn't done it in a round about way?  He appointed Sotomayor.  Why don't you check out her stance on the 2nd amendment.

Great point.

Please list the anti-gun votes that his appointment has made, in this position he gave her.

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2010, 05:42:47 PM »
Oh.  In his entire 20 year public career, he once "voiced support"?

That's it?  Palin "voiced support" for the alaskan separist movement.  But until she writes some legislation to actually do something, we can call it crazy pillow talk.

He hasn't touched american gun rights, right? 
just for your hypocritical dumb ass

I didn't know this thread was about clinton/obama.palin The thread title said it was about palin.insert name here...Only your post tried to change the topic.

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 05:52:29 PM »
So just to be sure...

Obama is the most powerful man in the free world, and he hasn't touched gun rights.

And his supreme court nominee hasn't touched gun rights in the job he gave her.

So how exactly is he trying to ban guns?

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2010, 05:57:51 PM »
So just to be sure...

Obama is the most powerful man in the free world, and he hasn't touched gun rights.

And his supreme court nominee hasn't touched gun rights in the job he gave her.

So how exactly is he trying to ban guns?
so just to be sure this thread isnt about palin?  ::)

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 05:59:19 PM »
so just to be sure this thread isnt about palin?  ::)

brutal attempt to avoid answering the Q

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 06:09:00 PM »
brutal attempt to avoid answering the Q
you mean like when you wrote this in response to a question i asked?

I didn't know this thread was about clinton/obama.  The thread title said it was about palin.  Only your post tried to change the topic.
LMAO if you want to try and play the make the other person look foolish game ill play all day with you dumb ass...

all youve done for the past 2+ years is give others ammo to make you look like the idiot you certainly are  ;)

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #20 on: December 12, 2010, 06:38:24 PM »
So just to be sure...

Obama is the most powerful man in the free world, and he hasn't touched gun rights.

And his supreme court nominee hasn't touched gun rights in the job he gave her.

So how exactly is he trying to ban guns?



The point I was getting at is that we don't know right now.  Sotomayor, from her previous ruling, is not exactly friendly to gun owners.

She may do nothing, she may clamp down.  We just don't know...

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2010, 06:44:05 PM »
Obama and the dems were focused on health care cap n tax etc.

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #22 on: December 12, 2010, 07:24:20 PM »
Obama and the dems were focused on health care cap n tax etc.

His term if halfway done and he hasn't done what you feared he'd so so much that you overpaid to stock up on weapons.

So what month will he start banning guns?

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« Reply #23 on: December 12, 2010, 07:25:47 PM »
His term if halfway done and he hasn't done what you feared he'd so so much that you overpaid to stock up on weapons.

So what month will he start banning guns?

he is done now on that with a gop house. 

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Re: Breyer: Founding Fathers Would Have Allowed Restrictions on Guns
« Reply #24 on: December 12, 2010, 07:29:24 PM »
he is done now on that with a gop house. 

For the next 2 years, you are right.

however, if you believe the anti-incumbent vibe will be just as hot 2 years from now, you're nuts man.   Tea party members are gonna see rand Paul raising the debt ceiling and Rubio spending stimulus money.  They are going to realize in two years that NOTHING CHANGED.

And obama, still swimmingly at 46% approval, pitted against a hapless clown candidate, will keep his jobs and probably not lose the senate in 2012.