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Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« on: December 13, 2010, 10:33:29 AM »

http://nation.foxnews.com/health-care/2010/12/13/federal-judge-rule-obamacare-today

Casting an unmistakable and perhaps permanent pockmark on the face of the Obama administration, a federal judge in Virginia ruled Monday that a major component of the new health care reform law is unconstitutional.

Judge Henry E. Hudson ruled Monday for the state's claim that the requirement for people to purchase health care exceeds the power of Congress under the Constitution's Commerce Clause.

Hudson's eagerly awaited decision invalidates the requirement that all Americans purchase health insurance by 2014 or face a federal fine. Hudson's decision is the first striking down part of the controversial legislation.

"It is not the effect on individuals that is presently at issue -- it is the authority of Congress to compel anyone to purchase health insurance," wrote Hudson who was appointed to the federal bench in 2002 by President George W. Bush. "An enactment that exceeds the power of Congress to adopt adversely affects everyone in every application."

The Obama administration is likely to appeal Monday's ruling to the Richmond-based Fourth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals. It is widely expected that no matter the outcome before that court, the case will ultimately go before the Supreme Court, perhaps by this time next year.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2010, 10:59:14 AM »
Can't wait for this abortion to go away.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 11:38:55 AM »
Anyone and everyone w a clue to reality knmows the mandate provision alone should deep six this collage of crap on the spot. 

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 12:13:02 PM »
BamaCare support at new lows.  must be everyone getting theircollosal rate increases when they were promised rate DECREASES.   

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2010/12/new-low-in-support-for-health-care-reform.html


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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 12:18:03 PM »
Did any federal judge ever rule any part of social security or medicare unconstitutional?

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2010, 12:20:47 PM »
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The Corner
Cantor Calls for Direct Appeal to Supreme Court
By Daniel Foster



Posted on December 13, 2010 1:25 PM From a statement by incoming House majority whip Eric Cantor (R., Va.):

“Today’s ruling is a clear affirmation that President Obama’s health care law is unconstitutional. The efforts of Governor McDonnell and Attorney General Cuccinelli have raised legitimate concerns and ensured that the people of the Commonwealth will have their rights protected against this unconstitutional law. Ultimately, we must ensure that no American will be forced by the federal government to purchase health insurance they may not need, want, or be able to afford.

“To ensure an expedited process moving forward, I call on President Obama and Attorney General Holder to join Attorney General Cuccinelli in requesting that this case be sent directly to the U.S. Supreme Court. In this challenging environment, we must not burden our states, employers, and families with the costs and uncertainty created by this unconstitutional law, and we must take all steps to resolve this issue immediately.

Cantor also promised to pass “a clean repeal of ObamaCare” once the Republicans take over the House in January.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2010, 12:26:55 PM »
Did any federal judge ever rule any part of social security or medicare unconstitutional?

Are you playing ignorant on purpose 240? 


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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2010, 12:30:03 PM »
Are you playing ignorant on purpose 240? 

??? I'm against the bill.  You know that dude.

But i'm wondering what this legal is like, compared to what legal blows the other 2 HUGE social mgmt systems received.

If social security and medicare weatherd hundreds of legal setbacks and persevered, I'm not optimistic they can stop this one.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2010, 12:34:27 PM »
The issue is

"WHETHER THE GOVT CAN FORCE (MANDATE) YOU TO PURCHASE A PRIVATE PRODUCT OR SERVICE FROM A COPORATION AS A RESULT OF MERE LIVING AND EXISTENCE"


The answer is clearly no, and we said so millions of times to you the jackasses supporting this monstrosity.   They commonly used the bogus argument of auto insurance, but that fails miserably for a myriad of reasons, that being, you are not mandated bylaw to own a car or drive. 

As for SS and Medicare - those are public programs people pay taxes for.   Huge difference.     

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2010, 12:36:40 PM »
which getbiggers were the jackasses that supported the bill, 33?

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2010, 12:37:39 PM »
As for SS and Medicare - those are public programs people pay taxes for.   Huge difference.     

I see.  So no tax dollars will be used to pay for obamacare?

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2010, 12:37:52 PM »
which getbiggers were the jackasses that supported the bill, 33?

Go back to the day that mess was passed and look it up.

 


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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2010, 12:39:23 PM »
I see.  So no tax dollars will be used to pay for obamacare?

Some do, some don't.   This whole thing is a constitutional mess and clearly a joke. 


240 - you know I railed on this issue endlessly.   

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2010, 12:42:42 PM »

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2010, 12:56:27 PM »
Did any federal judge ever rule any part of social security or medicare unconstitutional?

I guess you missed it on the other thread.

It might be somewhat of a valid comparison if everyone was required to use Medicare or Medicaid. 

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2010, 12:57:09 PM »
I guess you missed it on the other thread.


apples and oranges completely.

   

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2010, 01:19:30 PM »
Federal Court Declares ObamaCare’s Individual Mandate Unconstitutional
Posted by Michael F. Cannon

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ObamaCare has always hung by an absurdity.  ObamaCare supporters claim that the Constitution’s words “Congress shall have the Power…To regulate Commerce…among the several States” somehow give Congress the power to compel Americans to engage in commerce.  This ruling exposes that absurdity, and exposes as desperate political spin the Obama administration’s claims that these lawsuits are frivolous.

This ruling’s shortcoming is that it did not overturn the entire law.  Anyone familiar with ObamaCare knows that Congress would not have approved any of its major provisions absent the individual mandate.  The compulsion contained in the individual mandate was the main reason that most Democrats voted in favor of the law.  Yet the law still passed Congress by the narrowest of all margins — by one vote, in the dead of night, on Christmas Eve — and required Herculean legislative maneuvering to overcome nine months of solid public opposition.  The fact that Congress did not provide for a “severability clause” indicates that lawmakers viewed the law as one measure.

Despite that shortcoming, this ruling threatens not just the individual mandate, but the entire edifice of ObamaCare.  The centerpiece of ObamaCare is a three-legged stool, comprised of the individual mandate, the government price controls that compress health insurance premiums, and the massive new subsidies to help Americans comply with the mandate.  Knock out any of those three legs, and whole endeavor falls.

Moreover, the individual mandate is not the law’s only unconstitutional provision.

These lawsuits and the continuing legislative debate over ObamaCare are about more than health care.  They are about whether the United States has a government of specifically enumerated powers, or whether the Constitution grants the federal government the power to do whatever the politicians please, subject only to a few specifically enumerated restraints.  This ruling has pulled America back from that precipice.

Michael F. Cannon • December 13, 2010 @ 1:16 pm
Filed under: Cato Publications; General; Government and Politics; Health, Welfare & Entitlements
Tags: Congress, enumerated powers, government price controls, health insurance, health insurance premiums, individual mandate, mandate, Obamacare, subsidies

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2010, 01:23:35 PM »
The issue is

"WHETHER THE GOVT CAN FORCE (MANDATE) YOU TO PURCHASE A PRIVATE PRODUCT OR SERVICE FROM A COPORATION AS A RESULT OF MERE LIVING AND EXISTENCE"


The answer is clearly no, and we said so millions of times to you the jackasses supporting this monstrosity.   They commonly used the bogus argument of auto insurance, but that fails miserably for a myriad of reasons, that being, you are not mandated bylaw to own a car or drive.  

As for SS and Medicare - those are public programs people pay taxes for.   Huge difference.      
I am glad this part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional.

Now with that said, YOU have no qualms whatsoever about having the government FORCE YOU into buying a private product.  If I recall you wholeheartedly support the mandatory purchasing of Auto Insurance, a private industry product.  I don`t support it whatsoever since I do not want the government forcing me to buy ANYTHING from the private sector.


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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2010, 01:24:22 PM »
I am glad this part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional.

Now with that said, YOU have no qualms whatsoever about having the government FORCE YOU into buying a private product.  If I recall you wholeheartedly support the mandatory purchasing of Auto Insurance.  I don`t support it whatsoever since I do not want the government forcing me to buy ANYTHING from the private sector.

I'm QUITE sure that 33386 doesnt support the govt requiring ppl to purchase auto insurance.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2010, 01:26:43 PM »
Some do, some don't.   This whole thing is a constitutional mess and clearly a joke. 


240 - you know I railed on this issue endlessly.   

You rally the issue of obama tying his shoe differently than you do ::)

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2010, 01:30:02 PM »
I am glad this part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional.

Now with that said, YOU have no qualms whatsoever about having the government FORCE YOU into buying a private product.  If I recall you wholeheartedly support the mandatory purchasing of Auto Insurance, a private industry product.  I don`t support it whatsoever since I do not want the government forcing me to buy ANYTHING from the private sector.



Please explain how the government forces you into buying auto insurance and how they FINE EVERYONE if they don't buy one. Let me know the next time an IRS agent bills you for a lapse in your auto insurance.

So now driving and having health care are BOTH privileges.


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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2010, 01:32:00 PM »
Please explain how the government forces you into buying auto insurance and how they FINE EVERYONE if they don't buy one. Let me know the next time an IRS agent bills you for a lapse in your auto insurance.

So now driving and having health care are BOTH privileges.



You go to jail or get a ticket or get your car towed if you are caught driving with no insurance.

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2010, 01:34:02 PM »
I am glad this part of the bill was ruled unconstitutional.

Now with that said, YOU have no qualms whatsoever about having the government FORCE YOU into buying a private product.  If I recall you wholeheartedly support the mandatory purchasing of Auto Insurance, a private industry product.  I don`t support it whatsoever since I do not want the government forcing me to buy ANYTHING from the private sector.



I did not have that argument with you, only that that there is a huge difference between obamacare and auto insurance. 

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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2010, 02:28:26 PM »
I'm QUITE sure that 33386 doesnt support the govt requiring ppl to purchase auto insurance.

Auto insurance is required by the state not federal law.

As for the Medicad and Medicare.
these are both administered by the state.

If Obamacare went through individual states, like romneycare in Mass then it wouldn't be illegal.

Share of funds for programs isn't illegal as the constitution has allowed joint funding of programs.

The constitution does forbid the federal government from mandating laws that affect states.
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Re: Federal Judge Rules Obamacare Mandate Unconstitutional
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2010, 02:36:37 PM »
Auto insurance is required by the state not federal law.

As for the Medicad and Medicare.
these are both administered by the state.

If Obamacare went through individual states, like romneycare in Mass then it wouldn't be illegal.

Share of funds for programs isn't illegal as the constitution has allowed joint funding of programs.

The constitution does forbid the federal government from mandating laws that affect states.

Not only that, but the government doesn't force you to buy a car.