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Re: What an individual mandate gets you
« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2010, 05:24:46 AM »
The loonies on this board alone should make it clear to you that it'll be at least 50 years, if ever, before this country has a single payer health care system. You far lefties can bitch and moan all you want...you have the individual mandate or the disaster we have had up till now.
You are dumb. You just come up with these stupid personal attack when you can't answer the question.

Here it is again just in case your retarded self missed it:

BENNY - CAN YOU EXPLAIN BAMA'S FLIP FLOPS ON THE MANDATE?   

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Re: What an individual mandate gets you
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2010, 06:13:46 AM »
You are dumb. You just come up with these stupid personal attack when you can't answer the question.

Here it is again just in case your retarded self missed it:

BENNY - CAN YOU EXPLAIN BAMA'S FLIP FLOPS ON THE MANDATE?   

An Unhealthy Mandate
Townhall.com ^ | December 16, 2010 | Steve Chapman




During her confirmation hearings last summer, Supreme Court nominee Elena Kagan was asked if the Constitution empowers the federal government to pass a law requiring Americans to eat fruits and vegetables.

What did she say in response? She said, "It sounds like a dumb law." She said the commerce clause of the Constitution "has been interpreted broadly." She said the courts have a duty to ensure that "Congress doesn't go further than the Constitution says it can go, doesn't violate individual rights, and also doesn't act outside its enumerated authorities."

This is what she did not say: "No."

This week, however, a federal judge said it. The case wasn't about fruits and vegetables; it was about the federal health insurance law passed this year. But his conclusion was exactly the one Kagan evaded: There are some things the federal government may not make us do. It may not make us purchase medical insurance -- as the new law does -- and by implication, it may not make us eat broccoli.

When the individual mandate to buy coverage was challenged in court, the Obama administration argued, essentially, three things: 1) The Constitution gives the government the authority to regulate interstate commerce, 2) everything people do and don't do affects interstate commerce, and therefore 3) the government may regulate everything and everyone.


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Re: What an individual mandate gets you
« Reply #52 on: December 16, 2010, 03:44:43 PM »


Judge in Florida hears challenge to health care law
From Dugald McConnell and Brian Todd, CNN



STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Challenge comes on the heels of a Virginia judge's ruling against the Affordable Care Act

Lawyers for 20 states' attorneys general argue against the law

In the Virginia case, a judge ruled the mandate to buy insurance was unconstitutional

In the Florida case, plaintiffs are targeting the requirement for states to expand Medicare


Sarasota, Florida (CNN) -- Opponents of this year's sweeping health care law challenged its validity in a Florida courtroom Thursday, pressing ahead on a second front with their campaign to reverse it.

Just days after a Virginia judge found unconstitutional a key provision of the Affordable Care Act, a judge in Florida heard another challenge to the law, from lawyers representing the attorneys general of 20 states.

In the Virginia case, the judge struck down the "individual mandate" requiring most Americans to purchase health insurance by 2014, saying the Constitution does not give the government the authority to order individuals to buy something if they didn't want to. In the Florida case, opponents are targeting not only that individual mandate, but also the law's requirement that each state expand Medicaid to cover more of the low-income uninsured.

"It's an enormous burden on the states, that they never agreed to," Florida Attorney General Bill McCollum said outside the Pensacola courthouse. The Medicaid expansion, he said, amounts to "the compulsion and coercion of the states, in violation of the 10th Amendment."

Defending the law for the Justice Department, Ian Gershengorn argued that the expansion is no different from previous expansions of Medicaid coverage, which withstood court challenge.

Under the law, the federal government is supposed to pay states for most of the cost of the Medicaid expansion -- an estimated 95 percent over the first five years, according to an analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation. But Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott estimated the expansion could cost his state up to $25 billion over 10 years.

On the issue of requiring the uninsured to buy health insurance, U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson seemed receptive to questions about its fairness. "There are lots of alternatives to that," he said, "without imposing on liberties or freedom of choice."

"There are some people who have a different way of dealing with a situation, and that is being taken away from them," he said.

Vinson then asked whether the government also had the power to require individuals to purchase broccoli, because it could improve health and lower medical costs overall.

"If you go by the tenor of the questions he asked, you'd have to think that he would strike down the [individual] mandate, and uphold the Medicaid requirements," said Prof. Randy Barnett of Georgetown Law, who supports the challenges to the law. "But I don't know that you can really fairly judge what a judge is going to do based on the questions he asks in court."

Judge Vinson did not say when he would rule on the government's motion seeking dismissal of the case.

The attorneys general of twenty states have joined the challenge: Florida, Alabama, Colorado, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Nebraska, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Arizona, Indiana, Mississippi, Nevada, North Dakota, Georgia, and Alaska.

After the hearing, Attorney General Abbott told reporters, "there are millions of people in their twenties who don't need access to health care," and they shouldn't be forced to buy coverage they don't want. "It is liberty and freedom which is being fought for in this courtroom today," he said to the applause of supporters.

But in an interview Monday with CNN affiliate WLFA, President Obama said the requirement is justified for the overall good.

"All we've said is, everybody has to get some basic insurance, so that we're not paying for you when you get sick," he said. "It's the right thing to do, and I'm confident that the courts will uphold it."

Legal experts expect challenges to the health care law to ultimately end up before the Supreme Court, though that could take at least a year or two.

The mandate on individuals to buy insurance is not scheduled to go into effect until 2014. But if that portion of the law is struck down, analysts say it would make it difficult to pay for the law's other, more popular provisions.

In the meantime, the public will already benefit from several other provisions of the law, according to White House health care policy director Nancy-Anne DeParle. Those include requirements that insurers offer coverage to children of beneficiaries until age 26; not deny coverage for pre-existing conditions; and not place a lifetime cap on benefits.

CNN's Bill Mears contributed to this report.
 

 
 
 
 

 
Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/16/florida.health.care.challenge



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Good, looks likethis judge too will strike down this disaster. 

 

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Re: What an individual mandate gets you
« Reply #53 on: December 16, 2010, 03:47:12 PM »
On the issue of requiring the uninsured to buy health insurance, U.S. District Judge Roger Vinson seemed receptive to questions about its fairness. "There are lots of alternatives to that," he said, "without imposing on liberties or freedom of choice."

"There are some people who have a different way of dealing with a situation, and that is being taken away from them," he said.

Vinson then asked whether the government also had the power to require individuals to purchase broccoli, because it could improve health and lower medical costs overall.

"If you go by the tenor of the questions he asked, you'd have to think that he would strike down the [individual] mandate, and uphold the Medicaid requirements," said Prof. Randy Barnett of Georgetown Law, who supports the challenges to the law. "But I don't know that you can really fairly judge what a judge is going to do based on the questions he asks in court."



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Why is this basic issue so hard for you leftists to grasp?