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Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« on: December 14, 2010, 01:23:30 PM »
December 14th, 2010

Only the first of the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous mentions alcohol. The other 11 talk about redemption, restoring moral character, and devotion to God (or other higher power).

From that perspective, it makes sense that a new study finds that Alcoholics Anonymous increases spirituality. But it goes further than that: Spirituality may actually play a role in successful recovery from alcoholism, says research in the journal Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research.

The way that Alcoholics Anonymous members share their experiences of suffering is akin to what happens in a military unit or a musical group or a family, where the idea of "we’re all in this together" becomes particularly strong, said Keith Humphreys, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Stanford University.

"Someone will say something profound that everyone can connect with beyond themselves, and it can be very moving," said Humphreys, who was not involved in the study but also researches the effects of Alcoholics Anonymous. "That is a spiritual process."

Alcoholics Anonymous has more than 1.2 million members in the United States, encompassing more than 55,000 groups across the country. Founded in 1935, participation in this group has shown to be effective in short-term and long-term outcomes in numerous scientific studies. Since a large body of research has found that this and similar groups work (Narcotics Anonymous for drug use, and other organizations), more studies are turning to a deeper question: Why do they work?

Meetings of 12-step support groups vary according to how "religious" they seem, Humphreys said. Some of them are full of discussion about God; others don't emphasize it as much, but focus more philosophically on the nature of being and existence.

"Certainly the basic frame is about minimizing selfishness, minimizing grandiosity, giving to others, accepting character flaws, and apologizing when you’re wrong," Humphreys said.

Addiction to any substance, be it alcohol or marijuana or harder drugs, raises common issues prompting spiritual questions, Humphreys said. These experiences include loss of control, terror, doing things you’re ashamed of, and being close to death, he said.

The new study looked at data from 1,726 adults randomly assigned to different psychosocial treatments for alcoholism. Researchers asked the participants questions at the beginning of the study and then every three months.

They found that participants in Alcoholics Anonymous said they increased their spiritual beliefs and practices, especially people who were low on those measures when they first began Alcoholics Anonymous. Moreover, spiritual beliefs and behaviors appear to at least partially be responsible for successful recovery from alcoholic behaviors.

Still, spirituality and religiosity don't probably operate alone in Alcoholics Anonymous - the coping skills, support, and other encouragement of abstinence from alcohol likely also help participants in recovery, the authors wrote.

Also, the study does have limitations.  For instance, most participants were Caucasian men participating in a larger study called Project MATCH. Also, what is meant by "spirituality" varies and means different things to different people.

This wasn't the only news in favor of Alcoholics Anonymous today.  A study published in the same journal found that women returning from prison decreased their drinking habits after weekly meetings of the group for six months.

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/14/alcoholics-anonymous-as-a-spiritual-experience/?hpt=Sbin

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 06:34:29 AM »
Carl Gustav Jung (26 July 1875 – 6 June 1961) was a Swiss psychiatrist, an influential thinker and the founder of Analytical psychology. Jung's approach to psychology has been influential in the field of depth psychology and in countercultural movements across the globe.

Spirituality as a cure for alcoholism

Jung recommended spirituality as a cure for alcoholism and he is considered to have had an indirect role in establishing Alcoholics Anonymous. Jung's influence can sometimes be found in more unexpected quarters. For example, Jung once treated an American patient (Rowland Hazard III), suffering from chronic alcoholism. After working with the patient for some time and achieving no significant progress, Jung told the man that his alcoholic condition was near to hopeless, save only the possibility of a spiritual experience. Jung noted that occasionally such experiences had been known to reform alcoholics where all else had failed.

Rowland took Jung's advice seriously and set about seeking a personal spiritual experience. He returned home to the United States and joined a Christian evangelical Re-Armament movement known as the Oxford Group. He also told other alcoholics what Jung had told him about the importance of a spiritual experience. One of the alcoholics he told was Ebby Thacher, a long-time friend and drinking buddy of Bill Wilson, later co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). Thacher told Wilson about Jung's ideas. Wilson, who was finding it impossible to maintain sobriety, was impressed and sought out his own spiritual experience. The influence of Jung thus indirectly found its way into the formation of Alcoholics Anonymous, the original twelve-step program, and from there into the whole twelve-step recovery movement, although AA as a whole is not Jungian and Jung had no role in the formation of that approach or the twelve steps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Jung#Spirituality_as_a_cure_for_alcoholism

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 12:55:36 PM »
I found it to be quite the sexual experience as many women in AA are very eager to exchange their alcoholic habits for promiscuous sexual ones.  :)

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 02:45:22 PM »
yea I heard a persons sense of "well being" increases after getting laid in AA...

still trying to figure out what tool they use to measure well being from person to person... :)
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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 03:06:05 PM »
People hook up at dependency programs, theyre severely codependent with no self esteem in most cases.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 04:26:26 PM »
People hook up at dependency programs, theyre severely codependent with no self esteem in most cases.

Exactly.  I am in NA and there are a couple of hotties in there that are young with low self esteem and daddy issues on top of the heroin, pills, etc.  Easy pickens..lol.  I found myself talking to one but I caught myself, for a change,  because the last thing I need is some strung out psycho breaking up my marriage.  I feel sorry for them and would like to help but I know myself and it would not end up good for them or me in the long run.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2010, 12:00:17 PM »
Exactly.  I am in NA and there are a couple of hotties in there that are young with low self esteem and daddy issues on top of the heroin, pills, etc.  Easy pickens..lol.  I found myself talking to one but I caught myself, for a change,  because the last thing I need is some strung out psycho breaking up my marriage.  I feel sorry for them and would like to help but I know myself and it would not end up good for them or me in the long run.

Even if you weren't married, the last thing you need is a strung out psycho stealing from you to satisfy her addiction.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2010, 12:21:21 PM »
NA and AA are suitable for "beginning" to make a life change .. the real hard work and effort comes when you're by yourself and have to do it on your own .. if you only participate because you are forced to or have no other option then you won't have much foundation for making any change last

It's not really cool to me that it's faith based .. I'm not against prayer but it feels like it closes off some folks that could use some of the other support that they have available

It isn't imperitive to use God as your higher power or to make admissions and amends to ... nor do you need a God to forgive you to heal yourself ... it's there for those who believe and in most cases it's a cop out .. I've seen many people fall back to ways they lived because they went thru the steps and thought that was it .. God will take their hand and keep them straight .. then when they falter they are quick to admonish their God for letting them fail

all in all God is always found when people are at their lowest .. and not sought out when everything is going well

so that in itself negates the fact that they truly believe in a God or they wouldn't need to find one


THE TWELVE STEPS OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS
1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become
unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to
sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we
understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature
of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make
amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do
so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly
admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with
God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us
and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these Steps, we tried to
carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our
affairs.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2010, 02:15:05 PM »
I didn't realize AA had a religious component.  Pretty cool. 

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2010, 04:49:27 PM »
Although AA does help people - a large proportion of it is total nonsense.

Alcohol is an addictive substance, yet AA claims that people in the advanced stages of addiction are suffering from a 'disease'. They claim alcoholics are born with this disease and that after their first drink, they will become dependent within 2 to 60 years. They claim alcoholics are not like 'normal' drinkers.

This disease is unique though -no-one can tell you that you have this disorder, you can only diagnose yourself. There is no cure - just grin and bear it & tell yourself you are stuck with a desire to drink alcohol for the rest of your life - and therefore YOU NEED TO REMAIN A PART OF AA for life.

Sound like a religion ? Sure is.

Fact is - we don't call smokers Nicotinaholics - we know cigarettes, herion, speed etc are addictive substances but we don't claim that people addicted to these substances have a disease. It is the substance that is responsible for the addiction. The whole premise of AA is hogwash.

Load of bloody nonsense.

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Re: Alcoholics Anonymous as a spiritual experience
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 07:57:26 PM »
Although AA does help people - a large proportion of it is total nonsense.

Alcohol is an addictive substance, yet AA claims that people in the advanced stages of addiction are suffering from a 'disease'. They claim alcoholics are born with this disease and that after their first drink, they will become dependent within 2 to 60 years. They claim alcoholics are not like 'normal' drinkers.

This disease is unique though -no-one can tell you that you have this disorder, you can only diagnose yourself. There is no cure - just grin and bear it & tell yourself you are stuck with a desire to drink alcohol for the rest of your life - and therefore YOU NEED TO REMAIN A PART OF AA for life.

Sound like a religion ? Sure is.

Fact is - we don't call smokers Nicotinaholics - we know cigarettes, herion, speed etc are addictive substances but we don't claim that people addicted to these substances have a disease. It is the substance that is responsible for the addiction. The whole premise of AA is hogwash.

Load of bloody nonsense.
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