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What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun? How'd you feel about that?
December 14, 2010 |  4:52 pm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/12/ken-cuccinelli-obamacare-guns-federal-judge.html


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 Ken Cuccinelli has not been a well-known public figure -- until now.

He's the attorney general of Virginia, who wasn't given much chance of succeeding in his lonely legal challenge to President Obama's beloved healthcare legislation designed to change whatever you believe in on that subject.

But then, oops, Federal District Judge Henry Hudson on Monday agreed with the Virginia AG, declaring a crucial part of the law unconstitutional. Full details here, including the opinion's complete text.

Cuccinelli's victory which, of course, the Democratic administration will appeal, is but one of several legal challenges to the measure  wending their way through the nation's arcane legal system. Arguments resume in a similar federal case in Florida on Thursday. Nothing will be finally resolved until the Supreme Court gets it, accepts it, decides it and a lot of lawyers' financial health benefits.

So in the intervening months, possibly years, we're left with plenty to argue over as both sides seek to make their case to the jury of public opinion.

Cuccinelli did that Tuesday with an unexpected but convincing argument.The issue that persuaded Judge Hudson was the federal government's use of the famous commerce clause to extend its authority into every family in every state by requiring every citizen to buy health insurance.

Here's how the judge put it in a powerful historical footnote: "Neither the Supreme Court nor any federal circuit court of appeals has extended Commerce Clause power to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market."


 Speaking today on CBS' "Washington Unplugged" with Bob Schieffer, here's how Cuccinelli put it:

 

"Never before in our history has the federal government ordered Americans to buy a product under the guise of regulating commerce. Imagine if this bill were that in order to protect our communities and homeland security, every American had to buy a gun. Can you imagine the reaction across the country to that?"

Yes, we can.

Lock and load for a long fight, folks. Check out Cuccinelli's full answer on the video.

-- Andrew Malcolm

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Photo: Steve Helber / Associated Press (Cuccinelli).



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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2010, 07:18:15 AM »
I like it.  A lot!

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2010, 07:19:29 AM »
I like it.  A lot!

Yes - but you can make many arguments for this, and of course many would sy that the govt has no business complling a private citizen to buy a product from a private company approved by the govt. 

 

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2010, 07:50:08 AM »
I'd say Obama was just copying George Washington who signed the Militia Act of 1792

This act required "every free able-bodied white male citizen" to buy a gun, ammo etc...

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That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack.

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2010, 07:52:05 AM »
Straw - do you own a firearm? 

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2010, 07:54:03 AM »
I'd say Obama was just copying George Washington who signed the Militia Act of 1792

This act required "every free able-bodied white male citizen" to buy a gun, ammo etc...


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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2010, 07:55:56 AM »
Straw - do you own a firearm? 

I have in the past but not at present

how about back to the point that our first president "required"  "every free able-bodied white male citizen" to buy a gun.

isn't the title of this thread "What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun? How'd you feel about that?"



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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2010, 07:56:14 AM »
LOL @ Loco

Beat me to it!  ;D

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 07:57:26 AM »
I have in the past but not at present

how about back to the point that our first president "required"  "every free able-bodied white male citizen" to buy a gun.

isn't the title of this thread "What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun? How'd you feel about that?"




I a not in favor of that. 

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2010, 07:58:31 AM »
washington was a socialist lib marxist fellahs.

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 08:05:21 AM »
I a not in favor of that. 

So you would have protested that part of the Militia Act of 1792

without the internet you would have had to print of flyers ranting about socialism and marxism and spend all your time posting them on trees and towh hall doors and stuff like that

It's even worse than the healthcare legislation because there were no tax credits for low income americans, no subsidies, etc....  They didn't even get the option of paying a small fine.

just the order that you will buy a gun,ammo etc...

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 08:07:09 AM »
So you would have protested that part of the Militia Act of 1792

without the internet you would have had to print of flyers ranting about socialism and marxism and spend all your time posting them on trees and towh hall doors and stuff like that

It's even worse than the healthcare legislation because there were no tax credits for low income americans, no subsidies, etc....  They didn't even get the option of paying a small fine.

just the order that you will buy a gun,ammo etc...

Unless it was a time of war and all men we required to defend the nation, I am not in favor of compelling people to do things they might not want to do, including owning a gun. 


Unlike ou, I am pro-choice. 

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 08:13:10 AM »
Unlike ou, I am pro-choice. 

at the time - the govt decided it was necessary -for the surivival of the nation - for everyone to be armed.

at this time - the govt decided it was necessary - for the survival of the economy - for everyone to get their own medical insurance.


washington was a lib.  it's that simple.

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2010, 08:17:15 AM »
at the time - the govt decided it was necessary -for the surivival of the nation - for everyone to be armed.

at this time - the govt decided it was necessary - for the survival of the economy - for everyone to get their own medical insurance.


washington was a lib.  it's that simple.

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Yeah, 240 - the two are comparable.  Show me where Washington flip flopped on the issue and then had the owner of Remington and Colt in his tent and made a deal like that in the dark of night.     

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Re: What if Obama's healthcare law required every American to buy a gun?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2010, 08:31:35 AM »
Unless it was a time of war and all men we required to defend the nation, I am not in favor of compelling people to do things they might not want to do, including owning a gun. 


Unlike ou, I am pro-choice. 

why do you make such statements