What is "Progressive Overload"?

[suckmymuscle]

SUCKSMANMUSCLE still getting pwned over this situation.

  Logic and reason disagree with your statement.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[chaos]

  Logic and reason disagree with your statement.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

No, just your fucked up version of logic and reason do.

[suckmymuscle]

No, just your fucked up version of logic and reason do.

  Yes, because saying that if you had stronger tendons with the exact same muscle size you would be able to bench hundreds of pounds more. That makes a lot more sense. Let's just ignore the fact that tendons do not generate any force. You guys seriously have no idea how dumb you sound. LMAO!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[chaos]

You seriously have no idea how dumb you sound. LMAO!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Quit talking to yourself.

[che]

tendons do not generate any force.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I think you are wrong

[thelamefalsehood]

  Yes, because saying that if you had stronger tendons with the exact same muscle size you would be able to bench hundreds of pounds more. That makes a lot more sense. Let's just ignore the fact that tendons do not generate any force. You guys seriously have no idea how dumb you sound. LMAO!!!!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Tendon plus benchshirt= more tendon= more stronger. Sucky=big dummier

[suckmymuscle]

Tendon plus benchshirt= more tendon= more stronger. Sucky=big dummier

  The benching shirt works nothing like adding more tendons. I have already explained it. Read my posts several times until you understand.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[thelamefalsehood]

Tendons make weightlifting possible.

Ursus have good Irish tendon=big bench// plus benchshirt= extra Irish tendon= even bigger Ursus bench

Sucky plus benchshirt= German Shepard tendons worsted nightmares

[chaos]

  The benching shirt works nothing like adding more tendons. I have already explained it. Read my posts several times until you understand.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Your posts are wrong, I recommend people steer clear of them.

[suckmymuscle]

Your posts are wrong, I recommend people steer clear of them.

  You guys are trolling, but I play along because I like to own you continuously and show people how brilliant I am.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[chaos]

  You guys are trolling, but I play along because I like to own you continuously and show people how brilliant I am.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

No, no, you're just wrong.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

all you fellas are wrong excdpt suckymuscle he is right in this situation,,,I many friends that are medical doctors from surgens,,to orthopetics and friends in medical school right now at university of arizona I talked to them on this and they are essentially saying what sucky muscle is saying that tendion does not provide extra pounds on a bench press,,,im ASSUMING SUCKYMUSCLE IS A MEDICAL STUDENT? OR IN MEDICAL FIELD? suckymuscle is essentially talking to a brick wall in this thread he PWNS YOU ALL,,,

[chaos]

all you fellas are wrong excdpt suckymuscle he is right in this situation,,,I many friends that are medical doctors from surgens,,to orthopetics and friends in medical school right now at university of arizona I talked to them on this and they are essentially saying what sucky muscle is saying that tendion does not provide extra pounds on a bench press,,,im ASSUMING SUCKYMUSCLE IS A MEDICAL STUDENT? OR IN MEDICAL FIELD? suckymuscle is essentially talking to a brick wall in this thread he PWNS YOU ALL,,,

LOL epic trolling fail.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

LOL epic trolling fail.

reported FOR HAVING A CONE HEAD 

[suckmymuscle]

  Thank you very much. If one guy here can see my genius, I am happy.

all you fellas are wrong excdpt suckymuscle he is right in this situation,,,I many friends that are medical doctors from surgens,,to orthopetics and friends in medical school right now at university of arizona I talked to them on this and they are essentially saying what sucky muscle is saying that tendion does not provide extra pounds on a bench press,,,im ASSUMING SUCKYMUSCLE IS A MEDICAL STUDENT? OR IN MEDICAL FIELD?

  I don't need to be. I reached that conclusion with simple logic. Tendons do not generate force, so increasing the toughness of tendons does not increase your strength. This is logical. The problem with these people is that they are morons and play with semantics or come up with strawman arguments and also analogies to pretend like they have points.

? suckymuscle is essentially talking to a brick wall in this thread he PWNS YOU ALL,,,

  Quoted for truth. But these guys will never give me credit or admit they were wrong.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Parker]

 Thank you very much. If one guy here can see my genius, I am happy.

  I don't need to be. I reached that conclusion with simple logic. Tendons do not generate force, so increasing the toughness of tendons does not increase your strength. This is logical. The problem with these people is that they are morons and play with semantics or come up with strawman arguments and also analogies to pretend like they have points.

  Quoted for truth. But these guys will never give me credit or admit they were wrong.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

tendons and ligaments are support structures for muscles..Like a building or car, the weakest points are the support structures...that is where the damage first starts...When you tear a bicep, where does it tear at? Or a quad? Or a pec?  Things happen when tendons and ligaments that are weaker than the muscle that it is attached to.

[spude]

tendons and ligaments are support structures for muscles..Like a building or car, the weakest points are the support structures...that is where the damage first starts...When you tear a bicep, where does it tear at? Or a quad? Or a pec?  Things happen when tendons and ligaments that are weaker than the muscle that it is attached to.

Correct...actually, what I think (broscience), is that most fellas have enough muscle to lift lot heavier than what they do...the first thing that fails is those ligamenst...but when enough stress is put into those ligaments, the become stronger...and yor lifts get bigger, too..now when talking about bodybuilding, excessive stress on bones, ligamenssts, tendons is avoidable, if and when they fail before muscle your muscles get less stimulus than what they would if you trained by the feel...

[suckmymuscle]

tendons and ligaments are support structures for muscles..Like a building or car, the weakest points are the support structures...that is where the damage first starts...When you tear a bicep, where does it tear at? Or a quad? Or a pec?  Things happen when tendons and ligaments that are weaker than the muscle that it is attached to.

  But making your tendons tougher does not make you stronger. This is the point of my argument. Tendons do not generate force because they do not contract. Hence, increasing the tougness of your tendons has no effect in making you stronger if your muscles and/or neuromuscular ability to recruit motor units does not increase as well. Saying that the benching shirt makes you stronger because it acts like stronger tendons is absurd. First of all, it is not true. The benching shirt makes you stronger by restricting the movement of your shoulders on a vertical axis which allows you to recruit more motor units to move the weight rather than balance the weight. Secondly, even if the benching shirt worked like tendons, it could not make you stronger for this reason because stronger tendons does not make you stronger for the reasons explained above.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[spude]

 But making your tendons tougher does not make you stronger. This is the point of my argument. Tendons do not generate force because they do not contract. Hence, increasing the tougness of your tendons has no effect in making you stronger if your muscles and/or neuromuscular ability to recruit motor units does not increase as well. Saying that the benching shirt makes you stronger because it acts like stronger tendons is absurd. First of all, it is not true. The benching shirt makes you stronger by restricting the movement of your shoulders on a vertical axis which allows you to recruit more motor units to move the weight rather than balance the weight. Secondly, even if the benching shirt worked like tendons, it could not make you stronger for this reason because stronger tendons does not make you stronger for the reasons explained above.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Hard to admit...although suckmycock is wrong about "progressive overload" and pretty much everything else, hes got this one right. Benching shirt doesnt act like tendons, it restricts the movement and also acts like a catapult making the negative part easier and giving more force and explosiveness to the beginning of the positive part of the rep...shirtbenching is nowadays first and foremost about lock-out power, which sucks, IMO...

[suckmymuscle]

Hard to admit...although suckmycock is wrong about "progressive overload" and pretty much everything else, hes got this one right. Benching shirt doesnt act like tendons, it restricts the movement and also acts like a catapult making the negative part easier and giving more force and explosiveness to the beginning of the positive part of the rep...shirtbenching is nowadays first and foremost about lock-out power, which sucks, IMO...

  How am I wrong about progressive overload? Explain please.....

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[spude]

Dude, you are talkin about a different thing...of course you can and will get stronger by "progressive overload", but if you want to get BIGGER, musclewise, drugs + mind-muscle connection is the key. Cos when you increase poundages you build your tendons, bones...yes muscles also to some extenctent, but very little...If you want to build muscle you need to eat to give them nutrients, stress the muscle to make yor body realize where those nutrients need to go and take peds to multiplie the effectiveness of the whole process by 10...thats it, and rest of course...powerlifting and bb`ing are two different "sports", gotta remember that

QMFT

[suckmymuscle]

QMFT

  But none of what you're pointing in your post are definable things. My explanation for why muscles grow when you make them stronger makes a lot more sense than what you're saying: since the basic unit that generates force in the muscle, the sarcomere, does not become stronger per volume of area, then the only way for a muscle to become stronger is to increase the number of sarcomeres and thus it's volume or size. The strength of a muscle, defined as it's capacity to generate force, is proportional to it's cross-sectional area - the diameter of the muscle. Besides neurological efficiency, or the ability ot recruit motor units, the only other variable affecting the strength of a muscle is it's size. This is logical. What you say is a mess based on assumptions and poorly defined variables.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[spude]

  But none of what you're pointing in your post are definable things. My explanation for why muscles grow when you make them stronger makes a lot more sense than what you're saying: since the basic unit that generates force in the muscle, the sarcomere, does not become stronger per volume of area, then the only way for a muscle to become stronger is to increase the number of sarcomeres and thus it's volume or size. The strength of a muscle, defined as it's capacity to generate force, is proportional to it's cross-sectional area - the diameter of the muscle. Besides neurological efficiency, or the ability ot recruit motor units, the only other variable affecting the strength of a muscle is it's size. This is logical. What you say is a mess based on assumptions and poorly defined variables.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Actually, you have a point, thats how muscles get stronger, by increasing the cross-sectional area...but it doesnt necessary mean that your lifts get stronger too, cos those supporting tissues need to strengthen at the same speed...why all the bodybuilders arent strong?...cos their muscle hypertrophy has been faster than the speed their bones, tendons etc have got stronger...due to that they can also be quite injury prone when using heavy weights...other parts of their body arent at the same level with their muscles

[suckmymuscle]

Actually, you have a point, thats how muscles get stronger, by increasing the cross-sectional area...but it doesnt necessary mean that your lifts get stronger too, cos those supporting tissues need to strengthen at the same speed...why all the bodybuilders arent strong?...cos their muscle hypertrophy has been faster than the speed their bones, tendons etc have got stronger...due to that they can also be quite injury prone when using heavy weights...other parts of their body arent at the same level with their muscles

  Sure, you need stronger tendons and bones to support heavier weights. But how does this change the fact the only way for muscles to become stronger is by becoming bigger?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[spude]

Dude, there two types of strength we can argue about; the physiological muscle force that can be counted by your methods AND there is the actual strength person has and can create when performing different lifts and motions where maximum force output is needed, thats what im talking about...
And when talking about this practical strength, we need to remember that human body is a combination of many types of different organs, fibers, bones etc...And theres no situation where the whole effectiveness of ones can action is based only on muscles...or tendons, for instance. Human body acts as a whole...and its always the weakest link that defines the result...and usual case that weaket link is meant to be muscles, if it was otherwise injuries would occur a lot more often...but when you as a bodybuilder increase the size of your muscles, there is a certain point where the force your sarcomeries can generate exceeds the strength of your tendons...In that case mucles aren the weakest link anymore...only improving their effectiveness doesnt lead to greater practical strength...most serious bodybuilders are in that situation