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Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« on: December 16, 2010, 10:53:43 AM »
If you invested $1 in the stock market in 2001 when Bush took office, it was worth 78 cents when he left office.

If you invested $1 in the stock market the day Obama took office, it is worth $1.40 today.



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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 11:09:13 AM »
Inflation and purchasing power of the dollar are not taken into account in your "analysis".

And if you had a job when Obama took office.....you probably don't have one today.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 11:13:50 AM »
Inflation and purchasing power of the dollar are not taken into account in your "analysis".

And if you had a job when Obama took office.....you probably don't have one today.


And if you had a home when Obama took office.....you probably don't have one today.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 11:20:32 AM »
LMFAO Arent you an MBA 240?

hahahahah

fuking hillarious, where did you get your degree?

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 11:36:28 AM »
What was the ue the day obama took office compared to now? 

What was the dollar worth?

How much were oil prices? 

How many annual foreclosures were there? 


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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2010, 11:48:30 AM »

And if you had a home when Obama took office.....you probably don't have one today.

Good one. 

Lots of unemployed people too.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 01:05:03 PM »
So........... the dollar you invested in 2009 is now worth 40% more... less than 2 years later. 

You can't cite inflation there ;) 

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2010, 01:10:50 PM »
So........... the dollar you invested in 2009 is now worth 40% more... less than 2 years later. 

You can't cite inflation there ;) 

How the hell do you have an MBA with malarky like that? 

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2010, 01:19:57 PM »
How the hell do you have an MBA with malarky like that? 

So you're saying a 40% rise in value in 22 months is standard inflation and/or standard return on invesment?

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2010, 01:23:44 PM »
So you're saying a 40% rise in value in 22 months is standard inflation and/or standard return on invesment?

Read what you typed and think - don't type - think.

The dollar is not worth 40% more.  Its greatly devalued.  The issue is purchasing power of the dollars you have, not scas and schemes developed by th FED to give a bogus number on the DOW to make the true debasing ofthe currency. 


Damn are you thick in skull.           

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2010, 01:30:40 PM »
So........... the dollar you invested in 2009 is now worth 40% more... less than 2 years later.  

You can't cite inflation there ;)  

correct. anyone who invested after the 'Bush Crash' has done quite well.

that said, Obama's policies could very well return us to Bush Market lows of 2009.

if that occurs its on Obama.



-NT



george w bush has systematically destroyed this country financially.

our country is heading for a severe recession as a result of his failed policies.

in the coming months, the stock market will come crashing down.

mark my words.



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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2010, 01:32:55 PM »
Oh bullshit - they will use the Bush-did-it-too excuse for generations. 

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2010, 03:08:19 PM »
Well - 240 - food prices are skyrocketing, offsetting the phantom gains you claim obama caused. 

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Food prices rise sharply - and there's more to come
Stacy Finz, Chronicle Staff Writer


Thursday, December 16, 2010

For the first time since 2008, inflation is hitting consumers in the stomach.

Grocery prices grew by more than 1 1/2 times the overall rate of inflation this year, outpaced only by costs of transportation and medical care, according to numbers released Wednesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Economists predict that this is only the beginning. Fueled by the higher costs of wheat, sugar, corn, soybeans and energy, shoppers could see as much as a 4 percent increase at the supermarket checkout next year.

"I noticed just this month that my grocery bill for the same old stuff - cereal, eggs, milk, orange juice, peanut butter, bread - spiked $25," said Sue Perry, deputy editor of ShopSmart magazine, a nonprofit publication from Consumer Reports. "It was a bit of sticker shock."

But it makes sense. Since November 2009, meat, poultry, fish and eggs have surged 5.8 percent in price. Dairy and related products have gone up 3.8 percent; fats and oils, 3 percent; and sugar and sweets, 1.2 percent.

While overall inflation nationwide was 1.1 percent, grocery prices went up 1.7 percent nationally and 1.3 percent in the Bay Area, said Todd Johnson, an economist for the Bureau of Labor Statistics office in San Francisco. "The largest effects on grocery prices here over the last month were tomatoes, followed by eggs, fish and seafood."

Produce steady
Across the country, the price of produce has remained fairly steady. But the U.S. Department of Agriculture predicts that next year the price of fruits and vegetables, like many other food commodities, could go up. The government agency is forecasting a 2 to 3 percent food inflation rate in 2011 - a pace that is not unusual in a rebounding economy.

"We usually err on the conservative side," said Ephraim Leibtag, a senior economist with the USDA, adding that "2011 holds a bit of uncertainty, so I wouldn't be surprised if it goes higher. If it goes to 6 percent, then we should be worried."

Michael Swanson, an agricultural economist at Wells Fargo, said that as long as corn, soybean and energy prices continue to climb, food inflation could reach 4 percent in 2011.

"The USDA always plays it safe," he said, adding that the nation is likely to see the biggest increases since 2008, when the food inflation rate was a record 5.5 percent.

The global demand for corn - used for food and ethanol - has swelled so much that feed costs for farmers and ranchers are being passed on to the consumer, Swanson said.

Gas, diesel play a role
Gas and diesel prices also are playing a role. Wheat costs went through the roof this year when 20 percent of Russia's crop was destroyed by drought and wildfires, causing the country, the third-largest producer in the world, to ban exports of the grain. The price of sugar, also used for ethanol in parts of the world, is priced at a two-decade high.

Kraft Foods Inc., one of the world's largest food producers, has already announced plans to increase its prices because of mounting ingredient costs and flagging sales. General Mills, maker of everything from flour and baking mixes to cereal and Yoplait yogurt, has said it, too, will raise some of its product prices in January. Experts said consumers can expect the same from Kellogg's and Nestle.

The silver lining, Swanson said, is that retailers such as major supermarket chains and big-box stores are likely to push back at wholesalers to keep prices from jumping too much.

"Food is a high-frequency driver," he said. "So if stores like Walmart and Kmart want to get shoppers in the door, it's to their benefit to keep prices low."

E-mail Stacy Finz at sfinz@sfchronicle.com.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2010, 03:12:31 PM »
So........... the dollar you invested in 2009 is now worth 40% more... less than 2 years later. 

You can't cite inflation there ;) 

But I can site the Federal Reserve artificially inflating the market, wonder how long that can last?
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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2010, 04:23:08 PM »
You guys want to hear something fucked up....The day GWB was announced president of the united states, i lost about 37% of my wealth in a single day...
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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2010, 08:43:05 PM »
Inflation and purchasing power of the dollar are not taken into account in your "analysis".

And if you had a job when Obama took office.....you probably don't have one today.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2010, 09:09:38 PM »
THE STOCK MARKET HAS RALLIED EVERY YEAR IN THE 4th QUARTER OF MID TERM ELECTIONS FOR THE PAST 3 DECADES OR SO...

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2010, 09:11:01 PM »
just so you know the 3rd year of presidencies are generally the best for the economy as well...

this one wont be any difference but it wont be b/c of obama...


NT ive asked over and over again even to you what exactly bush did to cause the crash, please answer...

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2010, 02:59:05 AM »
just so you know the 3rd year of presidencies are generally the best for the economy as well...

this one wont be any difference but it wont be b/c of obama...


NT ive asked over and over again even to you what exactly bush did to cause the crash, please answer...


george w bush has systematically destroyed this country financially.

our country is heading for a severe recession as a result of his failed policies.

in the coming months, the stock market will come crashing down.

mark my words.





tony with all due respect your question comes over 3 years late.  

i have neither the time nor the inclination to rehash Bush economic policies that triggered the Great Recession.

read the Dow thread from beginning to end, pertinent information can be found there.



-NT
 

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2010, 03:24:38 AM »
Bush appointed bernake.  That as well as appointing do nothings at the s.e.c. Did not help one bit in retrospect.

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2010, 06:09:00 AM »

tony with all due respect your question comes over 3 years late.  

i have neither the time nor the inclination to rehash Bush economic policies that triggered the Great Recession.

read the Dow thread from beginning to end, pertinent information can be found there.



-NT
 

Hey, nitwit. I asked you almost at the beginning of that thread what exactly Bush did and you skirted the issue. The "information" you claim doesn't address the issue.

Not only that but most Democrat Senators and Reps went along and supported horrible financial legislations that go back as far as the 1970s.  Bush didn't do this alone. Republicans, as well as Democrats, had their hand in this. Or should I post as proof that video of Barney Frank claiming there was ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac? Dems have been in control of Congress since 2007. PRIOR to the recession. Dems need to stop SOLELY blaming Bush, grow some nuts and accept responsibility.


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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2010, 07:27:36 AM »

tony with all due respect your question comes over 3 years late.  

i have neither the time nor the inclination to rehash Bush economic policies that triggered the Great Recession.

read the Dow thread from beginning to end, pertinent information can be found there.
-NT
 


So you can't answer it?

Or is the answer far too complicated to answer in a post?

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2010, 07:28:41 AM »
Inflation and purchasing power of the dollar are not taken into account in your "analysis".



Well if you took those into account what the answer be?

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2010, 08:27:27 AM »

tony with all due respect your question comes over 3 years late.  

i have neither the time nor the inclination to rehash Bush economic policies that triggered the Great Recession.

read the Dow thread from beginning to end, pertinent information can be found there.

-NT
LOL brosky all the shit you post on the long ass thread I read and could post about before it happens that doesnt mean shit...


again give me specific actions that bush did to bring the financial collapse to us...

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Re: Day 1 of presidency/ Stock market
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2010, 09:55:04 AM »
Well if you took those into account what the answer be?

Well, it would be less. The dollars purchasing power is far lower and inflation is higher especially in basic staples like fuel and food (which aren't counted in the CPI). Plus wages are stagnant. The Dollars made in the stock market are worth less than they were 10 years ago, they purchase less and the cost of things people need to survive have gone up...big. So great, the stock market has given higher returns but all of the things listed above cut into that.

Just coming out and saying that "people" have made a lot more in the stock market since Obama took office or you're returns are higher is bit shallow considering the actual Dollars people get in return when they sell their stock is worth a lot less.