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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2010, 05:21:49 AM »
The Paleolithic diet consists of foods that can be hunted and fished, such as meat, offal and seafood, and can be gathered, such as eggs, insects, fruit, nuts, seeds, vegetables, mushrooms, herbs and spices (paleo food list).[1][3] Some sources advise eating only lean cuts of meat, free of food additives, preferably wild game meats and grass-fed beef since they contain high levels of omega-3 fats compared with grain-produced domestic meats.[1][3][54][59] Food groups that advocates claim were rarely or never consumed by humans before the Neolithic (agricultural) revolution are excluded from the diet, mainly grains, legumes (e.g. beans and peanuts), dairy products, salt, refined sugar and processed oils,[1][3] although some advocates consider the use of oils with low omega-6/omega-3 ratios, such as olive oil and canola oil, to be healthy and advisable.[54] Practitioners are permitted to drink mainly water, and some advocates recommend tea as a healthy drink,[54] but alcoholic and fermented beverages are restricted from the diet.[3][54] Furthermore, eating a wide variety of plant foods is recommended to avoid high intakes of potentially harmful bioactive substances, such as goitrogens, which are present in certain roots, vegetables and seeds.[1][55][60] Unlike raw food diets, all foods may be cooked, without restrictions.[1][61] However, there are also raw, paleolithic dieters who believe that humans have not adapted to cooked foods, and so they eat only foods which are both raw and paleolithic.[62][63]

According to certain proponents of the Paleolithic diet, practitioners should derive about 56–65% of their food energy from animal foods and 36–45% from plant foods. They recommend a diet high in protein (19–35% energy) and relatively low in carbohydrates (22–40% energy), with a fat intake (28–58% energy) similar to or higher than that found in Western diets.[54][64][65] Furthermore, some proponents exclude from the diet foods which exhibit high glycemic indices, such as potatoes.[3] Staffan Lindeberg advocates a Paleolithic diet, but does not recommend any particular proportions of plants versus meat or macronutrient ratios.[1][55] According to Lindeberg, calcium supplementation may be considered when the intake of green leafy vegetables and other dietary sources of calcium is limited.[1] More moderately, Dr. Kurt G. Harris recommends avoiding fructose, linoleic acid, and gluten grains as the primary neolithic agents responsible for modern diseases, and "the rest is just tinkering around the edges." [66][67]


Yea I don't do raw paleo, or 100% pure paleo for that matter since I still eat cheese, butter, and 85% dark chocolate. It's more of a framework for deciding what to eat and what not to eat based on evolution and genetic adaptation, its not a religion or anything like vegetarianism.

For me it was getting off bread, sugar and refined foods that made the biggest difference in feeling and looking better.  I no longer eat any vegetable oil and only use butter and coconut oil and olive oil. Grass-fed meat whenever possible. I eat Low-carb most of the time with those carbs coming from veggies like broccoli and cauliflower. Occasionally I eat sweet potatoes when I feel particularly depleted.

I'm not a nut about it, but try to follow it 90% of the time. Has worked wonders for my wife as well from everything from IBS to improved mood etc. Low-Fat diets are proven to cause depression, yet countless bodybuilders eat super lean skinless chicken breast and fish almost exclusively. The body and brain need fat to thrive. Without getting into a whole thing on different types of fat, the main thing about paleo with regards to fat is that it regards modern, industrially processed seed oils like canola, corn, soybean etc as toxic due to huge Omega 6 levels and rapidly oxidizing polyunsaturated carbon chains.  Such oils are extracted with Hexane solvent and only about 50 years old.  disgusting.

Again.. cant speak for everyone, but adding tons of saturated fat and and removing wheat/sugar  boosted my quality of life immensely and the lbs dropped off effortlessly. No more insane hunger cravings once blood sugar stabilized on a high-fat. low-carb diet. Forget to eat sometimes.. that never ever happened before. I've fasted for 20+ hours no problem at all.   When I lived on rice and breads as carb sources, my mind focused on one meal to the next.

A high carb/high insulin diet may be great for building muscle, but that doesn't mean its best for your health. LOL not that "real" bodybuilders ever gave a shit about health/aging. But then again posing in thongs is not my source of income so health matters more to me than it does them.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2010, 05:49:45 AM »
totally in agreement Ares

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2010, 07:02:49 AM »
About the same.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2010, 07:45:22 AM »
A lot of this sounds good except people who are deep into paleo tend to eat way too much red meat which is highly toxic. And the idea of getting rid of all types of cereals, vegetables produced by agriculture is just iditiotic. As if humans were in better shape before agriculture than after (which is pretty much proven it's the contrary). Also dairy products. It's as always with diets, once it goes to the exreme, you pretty much know it's bullshit.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2010, 09:44:01 AM »
I'd say about 8 lbs of muscle. I've been gaining that basically every year since i started lifting in high school. 80 lbs later, still skinny.  >:( :P
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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2010, 10:52:37 AM »
I've fluctuated from 192-205, about 8% fat always.

I was more "flatulent" than fluctuated.
Hmmm I guess my butt smell fluctuated at least

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2010, 12:33:33 PM »
That puts you back over 3 bills right?

Yep sitting 320ish right now going back to 330-340 that is where I was my strongest at. Gonna make another run at whatever I can hit then drop again. This diet shit is easy!!! If you dedicate yourself and you aint a lazy bastard any one can drop pounds or add pounds!!!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2010, 12:58:02 PM »
Up about 20 lbs. Up to 273lbs right now.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2010, 02:14:07 PM »
Gained between 15-20lbs whilst increasing body fat by 1%

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2010, 02:48:16 PM »
Up about 20 lbs. Up to 273lbs right now.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2010, 02:58:10 PM »
Yep sitting 320ish right now going back to 330-340 that is where I was my strongest at. Gonna make another run at whatever I can hit then drop again. This diet shit is easy!!! If you dedicate yourself and you aint a lazy bastard any one can drop pounds or add pounds!!!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2010, 03:01:21 PM »
I'm up about 70 since last summer, up 2 pants sizes so yeah gained some chub but God Damn my bench is back and going through the roof!!!

Is looking obese worth the extra 50lbs. you can bench plus 2 waist sizes ??!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2010, 05:28:55 AM »
Is looking obese worth the extra 50lbs. you can bench plus 2 waist sizes ??!


I wouldn't say obese it aint likeI'm some fat cow shoving twinkies in my mouth all day. I just increased my food intake cut back the intensity of my cardio and my strength is goin back up. Yeah I got a belly, but far from obese. Remember I'm a big framed guy to begin with never was a 170 pound twink I carry my weight well :) And my bench is back up a lot more then 50!!!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #43 on: December 18, 2010, 06:00:08 AM »
Up about 20 lbs. Up to 273lbs right now.



Does that include your wife on top of you,beating the hell outta you ???

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #44 on: December 18, 2010, 06:33:27 AM »


Does that include your wife on top of you,beating the hell outta you ???
Of course.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2010, 08:18:52 AM »
anyone whos trained more than 5 yrs seriously and gains more than 5 or so lbs is full of shit..., unless theyve just suddenly started using slin.. or just discoverd steroids... or just came back off a lay off

this is a FACT!!!!!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2010, 09:19:16 AM »
So what about Mentzer's claim that he would regularly have clients gain 20 or 30 pounds in 3 or 4 months, was dat bullshit? Yeah, I know that it wasn't only lean muscle gain, but let's say for sake of arguement that these gains were 50% lean muscle, then that would work out to 10 to 15 pounds of lean muscle gain in 3 or 4 months. Also, it's rather certain that the majority of these clients had a decent amount of training experience.

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2010, 09:22:25 AM »
he was full of shit also.... no experienced trainer is gaining over 5lbs of muscle with out extra help,

thats going natty to gear, going from small dose to big dose, going from big dose to adding slin, then hgh etc etc


notice i said muscle, not water, not fat....muscle!!!!!!!!!

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2010, 09:43:28 AM »
Easy big fella, yeah I know that you're talking about lean muscle gains. The thing is his clients would also make huge strength gains, say going from 150 for 10 reps on leg extensions to 250 for 20 reps. So are you telling me that this gain was mostly attributed to fat and water gain?

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Re: did u gain weight last year? how much muscle vs fat?
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2010, 09:57:20 AM »
I wouldn't say obese it aint likeI'm some fat cow shoving twinkies in my mouth all day. I just increased my food intake cut back the intensity of my cardio and my strength is goin back up. Yeah I got a belly, but far from obese. Remember I'm a big framed guy to begin with never was a 170 pound twink I carry my weight well :) And my bench is back up a lot more then 50!!!

As long as you're happy brother! I don't like being over 250 I really feel the weight in my knees and back, I'm at 245 right now about 12-13%