Density training

[dj181]

What is it? Is it possible? By "Density training" I mean training to make the muscles have a granite-like appearance. A wise fella that I know said that it's best achieved by training within the low rep ranges (3 to 6 reps). Thoughts? 

[wes]

Up the GH dosage.

In before the usual gh15 tirade!!

[MORTALCOIL]

Seemed to work for this guy.

And from another era, not too bad for this one:

[dj181]

Sans chemicals. P.S. Sandow had it in his legs, and he wasn't on no chemicals, seeing that he was from over a century ago.

[MORTALCOIL]

Drugs will always be the most important part in the muscular result you get in bodybuilding. From what I'ive seen, there's very little doubt that as far as naturals are concerned, density training will give you harder muscles which doesn't mean bigger ones (actually quite the contrary when compared to naturals who do shitloads of volume).

[dr.chimps]

'You are my density.'   

[dov]

Instead of "lifting weights" to get from point A to B, think of "contracting/squeezing muscles" to get from A to B.......this will build density!   

Or, just up the dosage! HA!

[Mr Nobody]

Reg Park was a proponent of 5x5 meaning five sets of five, was a massive dude for his time Arnolds inspiration. 5-8 seems best in my experiences.

[JimmyJam1974]

Alwyas envision point B.

[dj181]

One more thing that this wise fella suggested was to do these 3 to 6 reps under control and to try and eliminate momentum. He recommended taking up to 6 sec for both the positive and the negative portions of the rep. I can see doing the postive in a controlled 6 second manner, but the question is, should the negative be so slow too? In my experience, if you take the negative so slowly, this actually allows you to "rest" a bit, since the muscles are much stronger negatively. Does it make sense?

[Marty Champions]

What is it? Is it possible? By "Density training" I mean training to make the muscles have a granite-like appearance. A wise fella that I know said that it's best achieved by training within the low rep ranges (3 to 6 reps). Thoughts? 

you can only push yourself as hard as you can..you cant push yourself beyond your ability

[dj181]

Well no sh!t Falcon, are you familiar with the SAID principal?

[Marty Champions]

Well no sh!t Falcon, are you familiar with the SAID principal?

no but your asking if some training rep range will magically make you granite like when all other variables like food intake are the same

[MORTALCOIL]

no but your asking if some training rep range will magically make you granite like when all other variables like food intake are the same

That's a good point. Also, while muscular stress is certainly helpful it depends also on your ability to recuperate. Density= more chances of getting injured.

[dj181]

SAID=Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Meaning you get what you train for, and no I'm not saying that a certain rep range will magically turn one's muscles into granite-like status. The question is, what is the best way to achieve this goal?

[Marty Champions]

SAID=Specific Adaptation to Imposed Demands. Meaning you get what you train for, and no I'm not saying that a certain rep range will magically turn one's muscles into granite-like status. The question is, what is the best way to achieve this goal?

maximum density lifting or volume are = to max ability

just like your maximum standing ability in a day (if all you did was stand for the maximum amount of time is = to your maximum ability to lift in a day) both will produce the same amount of average amounts of pounds of stress over time Because BOTH will tap into your maximum stress ability reserves

[dj181]

So are you saying that if I stand up all day long I will develop granite-like muscles in my legs? 

[Marty Champions]

So are you saying that if I stand up all day long I will develop granite-like muscles in my legs? 

if you stand up all day and most of the evening yes, you only get ripped by adjusting calories. I dont even suggest adjusting calories downwards because you will have rebound fatgain. best to adjust calories upwards and accept the principle of that you must eat in excess with potential fatgain to gain muscle. to me gaining muscle is more important and healthier than losing fat because when you lose fat you always lose muscle and set yourself up for a rebound

for every hour you sit down you are not supporting your 200 pound bodyweight. Thats 60 minutes or 3600 seconds your are not supporting 200 pounds, i beleive that makes a differnce

[Mr Nobody]

if you stand up all day and most of the evening yes, you only get ripped by adjusting calories. I dont even suggest adjusting calories downwards because you will have rebound fatgain. best to adjust calories upwards and accept the principle of that you must eat in excess with potential fatgain to gain muscle. to me gaining muscle is more important and healthier than losing fat because when you lose fat you always lose muscle and set yourself up for a rebound

for every hour you sit down you are not supporting your 200 pound bodyweight. Thats 60 minutes or 3600 seconds your are not supporting 200 pounds, i beleive that makes a differnce

Well in summary genes make a big difference on legs on or any other bodypart. Standing all day may be enough for Master Falcon with good leg genes but for others it probably will take more, calories are all relative to bodyweight and activity. So hence Falcon is correct for his lifestyle but others may need to make adjustments.

[Marty Champions]

Well in summary genes make a big difference on legs on or any other bodypart. Standing all day may be enough for Master Falcon with good leg genes but for others it probably will take more, calories are all relative to bodyweight and activity. So hence Falcon is correct for his lifestyle but others may need to make adjustments.

if people stood even half the day there quads would improve 10-15 % much better than not standing very much

a 10 percent gain is atleast 5 pounds of muscle in your legs

[CalvinH]

I've been told I'm pretty dense...

[JasonH]

I've been told I'm pretty dense...

I blame the alcohol.

[Mr Nobody]

if people stood even half the day there quads would improve 10-15 % much better than not standing very much

a 10 percent gain is atleast 5 pounds of muscle in your legs

Agreed.

[dj181]

So fellas I guess dat Falcon has enlightened us as to how Sandow created such dense and granite-like legs. It seems that his secret was to stand around all day long

[Marty Champions]

So fellas I guess dat Falcon has enlightened us as to how Sandow created such dense and granite-like legs. It seems that his secret was to stand around all day long

well you can sit all day and then get back to us and tell me how much you grow then