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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #125 on: December 20, 2010, 12:19:34 PM »
Ha ha h-   sorry to rain on your Hope & Change golden shower moron from Obama.

This is a well known fact and if you stupid shills o the left paid attention you would have realized that.  Sad Straw - wake the fuck up already.   

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Obamacare’s Cooked Books and the ‘Doc Fix’

May 24, 2010 5:12 P.M. By James C. Capretta


The Obama administration continues to insist (see this post from White House budget director Peter Orszag) that the recently enacted health-care law will reduce the federal budget deficit by $100 billion over ten years and by ten times that amount in the second decade of implementation. They cite the Congressional Budget Office’s cost estimate for the final legislation to back their claims.

And it is undeniably true that CBO says the legislation, as written, would reduce the federal budget deficit by $124 billion over ten years from the health-related provisions of the new law.

But that’s not whole story about Obamacare’s budgetary implications — not by a long shot.

For starters, CBO is not the only game in town. In the executive branch, the chief actuary of the Medicare program is supposed to provide the official health-care cost projections for the administration — at least he always has in the past. His cost estimate for the new health law differs in important ways from the one provided by CBO and calls into question every major contention the administration has advanced about the bill. The president says the legislation will slow the pace of rising costs; the actuary says it won’t. The president says people will get to keep their job-based plans if they want to; the actuary says 14 million people will lose their employer coverage, many of whom would certainly rather keep it than switch into an untested program. The president says the new law will improve the budget outlook; in so many words, the chief actuary says, don’t bet on it.

All of this helps explain why the president of the United States would be so sensitive about the release of the actuary’s official report that he would dispatch political subordinates to undermine it with the media.

It’s not the chief actuary’s assignment to provide estimates of non-Medicare-related tax provisions, so his cost projections for Obamacare do not capture all of the needed budget data to estimate the full impact on the budget deficit. But it’s possible to back into such a figure by using the Joint Tax Committee’s estimates for the tax provisions missing from the chief actuary’s report. When that is done, $50 billion of deficit reduction found in the CBO report is wiped out.

And that’s before the other gimmicks, double counting, and hidden costs are exposed and removed from the accounting, too.

For instance, this week House and Senate Democratic leaders are rushing to approve a massive, budget-busting, tax-and-spending bill. Among its many provisions is a three-year Medicare “doc fix,” which will effectively undo the scheduled 21 percent cut in Medicare physician fees set to go into effect in June. CBO says this version of the “doc fix” would add $65 billion to the budget deficit over ten years. The entire bill would pile another $134 billion onto the national debt over the next decade.

If the Obama administration gets its way, this three-year physician-fee fix will eventually get extended again, and also without offsets. Over a full ten-year period, an unfinanced “doc fix” would add $250 to $400 billion to the budget deficit, depending on design and who is doing the cost projection (CBO or the actuary).

Administration officials and their outside enthusiasts (see here) say the Democratic Congress shouldn’t have to find offsets for the “doc fix” because everybody knows a fix needs to be enacted and therefore should go into the baseline. (By the way, the history of the sustainable growth rate [SGR] that Ezra Klein provides at the link above is a misleading one. The SGR was a replacement for a predecessor program that too had run off the rails — the so-called “Volume Performance Standard” enacted by a Democratic Congress in 1989.)

But supporting a “doc fix” is not the same as supporting an unfinanced one on a long-term or permanent basis. Not everybody in Congress is for running up more debt to pay for a permanent repeal of the scheduled fee cuts, which is why such a repeal has never been passed before. In the main, the previous administration and Congresses worked to find ways to prevent Medicare fee cuts while finding offsets to pay for it.

But that’s not the policy of the Obama administration. The truth is the president and his allies in Congress worked overtime to pull together every Medicare cut they could find — nearly $500 billion in all over ten years — and put them into the health law to pay for the massive entitlement expansion they so coveted. They could have used those cuts to pay for the “doc fix” if they had wanted to, as well as for a slightly less expansive health program. But that’s not what they did. That wasn’t their priority. They chose instead to break their agenda into multiple bills, and “pay for” the massive health entitlement (on paper) while claiming they shouldn’t have to find offsets for the “doc fix.” But it doesn’t matter to taxpayers if they enact their agenda in one, two, or ten pieces of legislation. The total cost is still the same. All of the supposed deficit reduction now claimed from the health-care law is more than wiped out by the Democrats’ insistent march to borrow and spend for Medicare physician fees.

And the games don’t end there. CBO’s cost estimate assumes $70 billion in deficit reduction from the so-called “CLASS Act.” This is the new voluntary long-term-care insurance program that hitched a ride on Obamacare because it too created the illusion of deficit reduction. People who sign up for the insurance must pay premiums for at least five years before they are eligible to draw benefits. By definition, then, at start-up and for several years thereafter, there will be a surplus in the program as new entrants pay premiums and very few people draw benefits. That’s the source of the $70 billion “savings.” But the premiums collected in the program’s early years will be needed very soon to pay actual claims. Not only that, but the new insurance program is so poorly designed it too will need a federal bailout. So this is far worse than a benign sleight of hand. The Democrats have created a budgetary monster even as they used misleading estimates to tout their budgetary virtue.

There is much more, of course. CBO’s cost projections don’t reflect the administrative costs required to micromanage the health system from the Department of Health and Human Services. The number of employers looking to dump their workers into subsidized insurance is almost certainly going to be much higher than either CBO or the chief actuary now projects. And the price inflation from the added demand of the newly entitled isn’t factored into any of the official cost projections.

We’ve seen this movie before. When the government creates a new entitlement, politicians lowball the costs to get the law passed, and then blame someone else when program costs soar. Witness Massachusetts. Most Americans are sensible enough to know already that’s what can be expected next with Obamacare.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/critical-condition/55996/obamacare-s-cooked-books-and-doc-fix/james-c-capretta


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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #126 on: December 20, 2010, 12:22:49 PM »
CBO confirms: ObamaCare with “doctor fix” will actually add billions to the deficit


http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:heehwb_-5h0J:hotair.com/archives/2010/03/19/cbo-confirms-obamacare-with-doctor-fix-will-actually-add-billions-to-the-deficit/+obamacare+doc+fix&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 6:07 pm on March 19, 2010 by Allahpundit




The exciting conclusion to yesterday’s post about what a shameless fraud the CBO numbers are. How do you slap a $940 billion pricetag on what’s actually a multitrillion-dollar bill? Well, as we’ve seen, the first thing you do is make sure not to start the program until almost halfway through CBO’s window of time for measuring how much it’ll cost. That cuts a trillion or two right off the top. But what if that still leaves you with budget deficits, thus crippling your sub-moronic talking point about how this massive new federal entitlement will save money over time?


Simple. You break the bill up and pass one of the expensive parts separately later. Here’s how a supposed $118 billion reduction in the deficit becomes another case of Obama bloat:

You asked about the total budgetary impact of enacting the reconciliation proposal (the amendment to H.R. 4872), the Senate-passed health bill (H.R. 3590), and the Medicare Physicians Payment Reform Act of 2009 (H.R. 3961). CBO estimates that enacting all three pieces of legislation would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period.

Under current law, Medicare’s payment rates for physicians’ services will be reduced by about 21 percent in April 2010 and by an average of about 2 percent per year for the rest of the decade. H.R. 3961 would increase those payment rates by 1.2 percent in 2010 and would restructure the sustainable growth rate mechanism beginning in 2011. Those changes would result in significantly higher payment rates for physicians than those that would result under current law. CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961, by itself, would cost about $208 billion over the 2010–2019 period. (That estimate reflects the enactment of two short-term extension acts, which lowered the cost in 2010 by about $2 billion compared with CBO’s estimate of November 4, 2009.)…

CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 3961 together with those two bills would add $59 billion to budget deficits over the 2010–2019 period. That amount is about $10 billion less than the figure that would result from summing the effects of enacting the bills separately. The $10 billion difference occurs primarily because H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would modify how the government’s payments to Medicare Advantage plans are set.

Still waiting to find out that if that memo urging Democrats not to talk about “doc fix” is real or not, but you can see why it’s good advice either way. Not only are they hiding another $208 billion in costs, but their dishonesty in passing doc fix separately will cost another $10 bil that could be avoided by passing everything together. Except, of course, that trying to pass everything together would send “fiscally conservative” Democrats fleeing for the hills — not because they care about a trillion-plus pricetag, but because they care that you might care. Or maybe they don’t even care about that, given the way the votes are falling today. Add Suzanne Kosmas to the roll of the shame.

More to come tonight, no doubt, in a very special edition of the Friday evening news dump.

Update: Oh look, some more hidden costs discovered by CBO. Who’s up for another $50 billion on the hook just to administer this thing?

In its March 11, 2010, cost estimate for H.R. 3590, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), as passed by the Senate, CBO indicated that it has identified at least $50 billion in specified and estimated authorizations of discretionary spending that might be involved in implementing that legislation. The authority to undertake such spending is not provided in H.R. 3590; it would require future action in appropriation bills. The attached table provides additional information about those authorizations.

Discretionary costs under PPACA would arise from the effects of the legislation on several federal agencies and on a number of new and existing programs subject to future appropriation. Those discretionary costs fall into three general categories…
Update: This is all contingent, of course, upon the Democrats actually passing doctor fix later. Oh, hey look — the AMA, which supports doc fix, just endorsed ObamaCare! Coincidencemania!

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #127 on: December 20, 2010, 12:34:18 PM »
Medicare “doc fix” increases cost of ObamaCare, causes deficits
Sat, 03/20/2010 - 12:25pm | posted by Jason Pye

http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/5327-medicare-doc-fix-increases-cost-of-obamacare-causes-deficits


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Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) asked the Congressional Budget Office to include the Medicare “doc fix” in its estimates for ObamaCare, which has been specifically excluded to help keep down estimated costs. If the fix were included, the cost of the bill would have exceeded $1.1 trillion, making it much tougher to sell the bill to members.

Here’s the story:

Congressional budget scorekeepers say a Medicare fix that Democrats included in earlier versions of their health care bill would push it into the red.

The Congressional Budget Office said Friday that rolling back a programmed cut in Medicare fees to doctors would cost $208 billion over 10 years. If added back to the health care overhaul bill, it would wipe out all the deficit reduction, leaving the legislation $59 billion in the red.

The so-called doc fix was part of the original House bill. Because of its high cost, Democrats decided to pursue it separately. Republicans say the cost should not be ignored. Congress has usually waived the cuts to doctors year by year.

One of the big talking points for Democrats is the long-term deficit reduction (past the first decade). The CBO says the “doc fix” and other factors could change that (emphasis mine):

Under the analytic approach described in the agency’s previous letters, the combined effect of enacting H.R. 3590 and the reconciliation proposal would be to reduce federal budget deficits over the decade beyond 2019 relative to those projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade in a broad range around one-half percent of gross domestic product (GDP). If the changes described above were made to the legislation, CBO would expect that federal budget deficits during the decade beyond 2019 would increase relative to those projected under current law—with a total effect during that decade in a broad range around one-quarter percent of GDP.

So, there you have it. ObamaCare brings bigger deficits short-term and long-term and it will impact every American negatively as health insurance premiums will continue to rise and costs will not be held in check.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #128 on: December 20, 2010, 12:36:14 PM »
Straw - tell me when you want to concede this to me.

Obamacare has always been built upon lies, bogus nonsense, and smoke and mirrorsto fool a gullible public and idiot constituency who will accept anthing from this joke at 1600 PA Ave.   

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #129 on: December 20, 2010, 12:39:20 PM »
you're referring to the so called "Doctor Fix" that has been around for years and never implemented?

as usual, you (and Repubs) just report the half of the story that you like:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003310005

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/10/a_proud_bipartisan_tradition_o.html

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A proud bipartisan tradition of budget gimmickry

This is an extremely strange paragraph from Dana Milbank:

Senate Democrats wanted to protect doctors from scheduled cuts in Medicare payments over the next 10 years, but there was a problem: Doing so would add a quarter of a trillion dollars to the federal deficit, making mincemeat of Obama's promise. So Democrats hatched a novel scheme: They would pass the legislation separately, so the $250 billion cost wouldn't be part of the main reform "plan," thereby allowing the president to claim that that bill wouldn't increase the deficit.


"Novel scheme?" The "Sustainable Growth Rate" in Medicare was passed by a Republican Congress in 1997 that wanted to ensure Medicare's costs didn't rapidly outpace economic growth. In 1997, that seemed like a plausible thing to do: Health-care costs grew by 4.7 percent that year, and the GDP also grew by 4.7 percent. The linkage seemed natural.

The problem was that the 90s were an aberrant period of low health-care cost growth and high GDP growth. In 2002, for instance, health-care spending grew by 8 percent while the GDP grew by 1.8 percent. The formula embedded in the Medicare Sustainable Growth Rate would have triggered huge cuts to doctors, and broad outrage among seniors. And thus began the era of "temporary" fixes to Medicare payment. The SGR law stayed on the books, but Congress began routinely invalidating its scheduled cuts to doctor payments.

The first was passed in 2003, when Republicans controlled the House, the Senate, and the White House. The next came in 2005. Then there was one in 2006. The next year, Democrats took control of the Congress. They passed fixes in 2007 and 2008. The neat trick of this is that it also made the deficit look smaller than it was, as it kept getting estimated as if Congress was going to allow a 30 percent cut in doctor's reimbursements sometime in the future, saving hundreds of billions of dollars. That was never going to happen, of course, but it made Bush's budgets look better.


Now it's 2009, and rather than passing a temporary fix to the program, Democrats are trying to rewrite the program's formula so it reflects the actual behavior of Congress. Milbank calls this "novel," and I guess it is. But not in the way that he implies. Passing bills to "delay" doctor's cuts is a proud, bipartisan tradition in this town. Pretending that it's some Democratic innovation is simply wrong. The only thing that's novel is that the Democrats are trying to solve this problem all at once, and facing down a huge price tag to do so. It would be easier for them to stick with recent congressional practice and pass a small bill putting the problem off for one more year, and one more Congress, as the very Republicans who are criticizing them now did in 2003, 2005 and 2006.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #130 on: December 20, 2010, 12:41:41 PM »
Media Matters?     ::)  ::)

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #131 on: December 20, 2010, 12:48:59 PM »
Media Matters?     ::)  ::)

Does the "doctor fix" predate healthcare legislation?

If there were no health care legislation would the "Doctor Fix" voted on in 1997 and kicked down the road every year since still have to be addressed?


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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #132 on: December 20, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »
Does the "doctor fix" predate healthcare legislation?

If there were no health care legislation would the "Doctor Fix" voted on in 1997 and kicked down the road every year since still have to be addressed?



That has nothing to do with anything.   Hiding spending does not equal not spending.  Get a freaking clue already.  ObamaCare was built upon lies for useful idiots and dupes to soak up all while screaming "Hope & Change".     

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #133 on: December 20, 2010, 12:59:17 PM »
Someone get this idiot a new shovel.  And a passport.  If he digs his hole any deeper he is going to pop out in China.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #134 on: December 20, 2010, 01:02:22 PM »
Someone get this idiot a new shovel.  And a passport.  If he digs his hole any deeper he is going to pop out in China.

Really?   Mostly I just ignore your bullshit as the insults of a twink lurking in mens restrooms at truck stops.     

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« Reply #135 on: December 20, 2010, 06:49:53 PM »
That scenario has about as much as credibility as your usual posts on here.  Which is to say.... none.

I am amazed you took time out of your usual crybaby personality to show a bit of projection here.  Oh well... your problem, not mine.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #136 on: December 22, 2010, 05:23:46 PM »
You lucky as shit.. i was about to fuck your shit up today

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« Reply #137 on: December 22, 2010, 05:34:27 PM »
Blah blah blah blah.  Go jerk off to the rantings of anthony wiener your new object of affection. 

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« Reply #138 on: December 22, 2010, 07:49:37 PM »
Blah blah blah blah.  Go jerk off to the rantings of anthony wiener your new object of affection. 

Wiener makes some really valid points... You might not like them, but he says them clearly and concisely and makes a good argument.

He's what a politician should be... Even if you don't agree with him, you have to respect his opinion because he doesn't come across sounding like a kook on any level.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2011, 06:43:04 PM »
Michelle Obama still hopes for an invitation to William and Kate's wedding
The Telegraph ^ | Feb. 21, 2011 | Tim Walker





Michelle Obama is likely to exasperate courtiers with her comments about the royal wedding after they went to such lengths to accommodate the White House.

Even after it was clear that Prince William and Kate Middleton would not be sending a wedding invitation to the White House, Michelle Obama still appears not to have given up hope.

"If I get invited, I'll go," the First Lady said on the Live With Regis and Kelly Show on American television. She conceded, however, that, as things stand, she had not been invited.

Her comments are likely to exasperate senior courtiers, who – as I reported on Nov 14 last year – had to put off naming the wedding date until a week after announcing the engagement because White House officials were not at first certain when Barack Obama and his wife would make their first state visit to Britain. Obama's men, adamant that the two events should not clash, subsequently agreed May 24 to 26, almost a month after the royal wedding, as the dates for his visit.

Although the wedding will clearly be exclusive – I disclosed on Saturday that Sarah, Duchess of York, is not invited – the President may feel he had a lucky escape. One confirmed guest at the wedding will be Hamad bin Isa Khalifa, the King of Bahrain. Last week, to the dismay of the White House, his kingdom's security forces opened fire on protesters demanding reforms.


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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #140 on: April 01, 2011, 01:04:17 PM »
Why weren't the Obamas invited to the Royal Wedding?
SFGate.com ^ | 4/1/11 | Phil Bronstein





What do Barack Obama and Muammar Gaddafi have in common? If you guessed that they're both Muslims, go to the front of the Tea Party.

Their real commonality is that neither got invited to Prince William's and Kate Middleton's royal wedding.

I can understand Ghaddafi's exclusion - probably bad form to have a guy in your party who's killing his own people. Besides, his wardrobe would clash with anything they'd wear.

Plus he's pretty busy right now defying NATO and Anderson Cooper and most likely couldn't make it anyway.

But what's with the President of the United States? He's in the rejected category along with Fergie, the Weight Watching Duchess of York.

Michelle Obama even said a few weeks ago on "Live With Regis and Kelly" that, "if I get invited, I'll go," as close to begging as this regal First Lady gets. And who, including the world's most powerful husband, has said "no" to her lately?

This is a snub of epic proportions. We should impose a no-Richard-Branson-zone over the U.S. in protest.

The other night in his Libya speech, Obama said, "Born, as we are, out of a revolution by those who longed to be free..." You think that was a coincidence? That's you he was smack-talking, rude and exclusive England!

We slapped you down in 1776 and 1812 so now you feel you have the right to slight us?

It's not as though there's no space. Even for killers. ..


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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #141 on: April 23, 2011, 12:09:23 PM »
Michelle Obama: "I Wasn't Invited" to Royal Wedding
usmagazine.com ^ | February 09, 2011 – 3:31pm



Who wouldn't want Michelle Obama at their wedding? Apparently Prince William and Kate Middleton, that's who!

The First Lady appeared on Live! With Regis and Kelly and told show hosts Regis Philbin and Kelly Ripa that she hasn't been invited to the wedding.

But Mrs. Obama isn't miffed. "Marriage is a personal private thing, they should invite who they want to invite,” she said. “And if I get invited, I’ll go."

While she met Queen Elizabeth in April 2009, Mrs. Obama has yet to meet the royal couple. She did pass on her congratulations to William and Kate via an interview with Barbara Walters. "Congratulations and, hopefully, you will be as happy, as happily married as Barack and I," she said in an interview last November.

American presidents have traditionally been invited to royal weddings. The Reagans were invited to the 1981 wedding of William's parents, Prince Charles and Princess Diana, and Nancy Reagan attended on behalf of the president.


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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #142 on: April 23, 2011, 12:11:12 PM »
No wonder they dont want this slob at the palace.   Last time she probably grifted the silverware.

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« Reply #143 on: April 23, 2011, 01:21:11 PM »
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Another stupid "I obessesively hate Obamma" thread.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #144 on: April 23, 2011, 01:34:17 PM »
Like I said - any time - be it large or small - I can't kick those to grifters and thieves in the nuts, and shed light on the disgrace these two low lifes have brought on the nation, count on me for exploiting it. 

Bad news and failure for obama equals success and prosperity for america. 

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #145 on: April 23, 2011, 02:14:00 PM »



 you sure are sticking to them on this forum and Obama is sure feeling it.....the  world is amazed.   ::)


The only thing that equals success for America is an entire new set of politicians on both sides.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #146 on: April 23, 2011, 02:22:02 PM »


 you sure are sticking to them on this forum and Obama is sure feeling it.....the  world is amazed.   ::)


The only thing that equals success for America is an entire new set of politicians on both sides.

that about sums it up

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« Reply #147 on: April 23, 2011, 03:19:15 PM »
that about sums it up

Oh I add comedy to this sghit show.   Enjoy the laughs.

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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #148 on: April 29, 2011, 03:08:08 PM »
I'm glad Kate and William had a nice day without it being stained by $^&*%%$#%%&



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Re: Obamas OWNED: not invited to Prince William Wedding (Good - FUBO)
« Reply #149 on: April 30, 2011, 06:05:38 AM »
No wonder they dont want this slob at the palace.   Last time she probably grifted the silverware.


hahahah she went to harvard.. her brother is the head coach of a major D1 school.. you work at a shitty office in the bronx.. She won.. hahahahahahaha how lame you are