why lose pro BB their muscle seperation when careers go on?

[closeline]

two important examples

kevin levrone

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ronnie coleman

both lost their quad seperation/ striations completle

why? if the muscles mature, they should get more details?

[wes]

HUH ?

[spude]

slin is helluva drug...

[Wiggs]

I think he meant, who do pros lose separation as further in their careers...

Closeline, it's because of drugs....as insulin became more prevalent in the sport and guys started superdosing it, one of the sides is a subcutaneous fat storage...this affect the definition and separation they had before...In addition, like in Ronnie's case, he he was 252 at his 1st Mr. O and 294 at his largest.  The bigger you get the less definition you'll have...Look at Kai Greene.  Same thing is happening to him.

[closeline]

I think he meant, who do pros lose separation as further in their careers...

Closeline, it's because of drugs....as insulin became more prevalent in the sport and guys started superdosing it, one of the sides is a subcutaneous fat storage...this affect the definition and separation they had before...In addition, like in Ronnie's case, he he was 252 at his 1st Mr. O and 294 at his largest.  The bigger you get the less definition you'll have...Look at Kai Greene.  Same thing is happening to him.

thank you wiggs

this  are the observations i meant

coleman 1995 had striations in his quads - superhuman coleman in 2003 didn  t have - why

levrone in 1992 had great quad seperation 1996 it was completle gone

i thougt they increased their gh, steroids etc. and those things made them bigger AND more shredded also, but they din t and i wonder why

why should they have taken drugs that dont help?

is insulin also the reason why todays pros aren t as defined as the 90s pros and why have todays pros all this shredded glutes on the other hand?
this wis a little paradox

[chris10000]

drugcontrol helps....amateur worldchampionships are tested

http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?a=Aykutlu,+Hamdullah

20 ! years later

[Wiggs]

thank you wiggs

this  are the observations i meant

coleman 1995 had striations in his quads - superhuman coleman in 2003 didn  t have - why

levrone in 1992 had great quad seperation 1996 it was completle gone

i thougt they increased their gh, steroids etc. and those things made them bigger AND more shredded also, but they din t and i wonder why

why should they have taken drugs that dont help?

is insulin also the reason why todays pros aren t as defined as the 90s pros and why have todays pros all this shredded glutes on the other hand?
this wis a little paradox

Yes, closeline, insulin is the reason why the pros are not as defined as they were in the 90s.  As far as glutes go, the posing trunks were much more full in the 90s and the bodybuilders didn't make it point to show off the glutes as they do today.  I think many if not more had shredded glutes then but didn't make it a point to show it off.  The reason slin is used is because you can put on an incredible amount of muscle on when you use it with GH, steroids and maybe IGF-1.

In addition, the more size you put on, less detail and separation you will have.

[spude]

thank you wiggs

this  are the observations i meant

coleman 1995 had striations in his quads - superhuman coleman in 2003 didn  t have - why

levrone in 1992 had great quad seperation 1996 it was completle gone

i thougt they increased their gh, steroids etc. and those things made them bigger AND more shredded also, but they din t and i wonder why

why should they have taken drugs that dont help?

is insulin also the reason why todays pros aren t as defined as the 90s pros and why have todays pros all this shredded glutes on the other hand?
this wis a little paradox

Naturally glutes are the last area where we lose fat when dieting...thats why shredded glutes were rare in the past...Nowadays, when gays take shitloads of teatosterona trenbolona, equipona, masterona, ghona and insulona they lose fat no matter what they eat...but cos human body doesnt like tooall those exogenuous hormones, it fights back back incresing estrogen and therefore cosing water retention. Now, as I mentioned, fat is most stubborn on gluteal area,, whereas water is mostly held on middle section, abdominals, lower back...Thats why nowadays dudes have shredded glutes but look overall a tad soft...

[Evo]

lypodistrophy cause by high peptide/slin use.....

[chris10000]

Naturally glutes are the last area where we lose fat when dieting...thats why shredded glutes were rare in the past...Nowadays, when gays take shitloads of teatosterona trenbolona, equipona, masterona, ghona and insulona they lose fat no matter what they eat...but cos human body doesnt like tooall those exogenuous hormones, it fights back back incresing estrogen and therefore cosing water retention. Now, as I mentioned, fat is most stubborn on gluteal area,, whereas water is mostly held on middle section, abdominals, lower back...Thats why nowadays dudes have shredded glutes but look overall a tad soft...

exactly explained

[closeline]

Naturally glutes are the last area where we lose fat when dieting...thats why shredded glutes were rare in the past...Nowadays, when gays take shitloads of teatosterona trenbolona, equipona, masterona, ghona and insulona they lose fat no matter what they eat...but cos human body doesnt like tooall those exogenuous hormones, it fights back back incresing estrogen and therefore cosing water retention. Now, as I mentioned, fat is most stubborn on gluteal area,, whereas water is mostly held on middle section, abdominals, lower back...Thats why nowadays dudes have shredded glutes but look overall a tad soft...

thank you for your answer

does it mean BB shouldn t use insulin or would they just be to small to be competitive with todays standard (i heard that the most shredded pro ever - andreas munzer - was taking insulin also, so this is paradox to me again)
is this insulin thing also the reason for the weird look the pros get after some years in the circuit (i think you call it palumboism)?

[spude]

thank you for your answer

does it mean BB shouldn t use insulin or would they just be to small to be competitive with todays standard (i heard that the most shredded pro ever - andreas munzer - was taking insulin also, so this is paradox to me again)
is this insulin thing also the reason for the weird look the pros get after some years in the circuit (i think you call it palumboism)?

Slin ca be useful, bros nowadays just tend to overuse it, i think there should be a certain ratio between all drugs taken...of course that ratio changes from off-season to precontest...basically, it is possible to do well without slin, safe bet, IMO
palumboism...one doesnt have what it takes to be a pro, but tries, nevertheless...upping gh and slin doses way higher than what his body can take...

[maxkane69]

Slin ca be useful, bros nowadays just tend to overuse it, i think there should be a certain ratio between all drugs taken...of course that ratio changes from off-season to precontest...basically, it is possible to do well without slin, safe bet, IMO
palumboism...one doesnt have what it takes to be a pro, but tries, nevertheless...upping gh and slin doses way higher than what his body can take...

PALUMBO=ABERRATION OF HUMAN SPECIES!
How same people could pay this creature for contest prep really baffle me!

[local hero]

in regarding levrone, he never trained his legs seriously after he hurt his back in the early 90's....

munzer used very little insulin, the same as the other guys, the doses they use now were unheard of in them days..

as you get older the muscles do tend to be less crisp, with or without insulin... thats aging for you

[chris10000]

in regarding levrone, he never trained his legs seriously after he hurt his back in the early 90's....

munzer used very little insulin, the same as the other guys, the doses they use now were unheard of in them days..

as you get older the muscles do tend to be less crisp, with or without insulin... thats aging for you

münzer used high doses of Aminoglutethimide....(but that did kill him)

[gh15]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

[alnassak]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

I wonder what "Philip Heath" has done to you to make you hate him that much!? 

[YngiweRhoads]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

qft

[Disgusted]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

X 1000!!!!! You worded that perfectly. You saved me a long post. Slin is turning BBing into shit.

[Reeves]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

When you are right, you are definitely right.  This is one of those times, sir.

[closeline]

you fellas will find along your bodybuilding life sometime in the future that bodybuilder dont really care much about legs,,really dont train it that much ,,squats lol this is only for show off,,the reailty is the bodybuilder will grow on gh and aas no matter what he does,,and legs are usually last priority ,,some exervcices are not even done,,bodybuilder will always take leg press,, hacks over regular squats,,very very few are the ones who are full drugged up and do them,,you just dont have the need to when full drugged up,,reason kamali look like shit is because he still do them drugged up to the max,,he dont get it ,,many of you dont get it,,and many of the ron herises dont get it ,,

the more drugged up you are ,,the less work you have to put in especially in legs,,ofcourse you always have to train and train heavy but gh forgives you with a capital F ,,you just need to know what you are doing when drugged up to max and many of you dont understand that bodybulding has much les to do about training and much more to do about what drugs you could afford and their quality and dose

insulin is what ruined bodybuilding,,insulin is what created fellas like phillip hearh now,,and kukelo,, and even centerfony,,and many others,,their physsqes are indeed huge but they are also very very temporaty and they are FAT FROM WITHIN THE MUSCLE,,they can never get sliced and seperated because the muscles can not be seperated anymore to that degree due to the level of drug intake,,


if you think for a second that fella like phillip heath is not all drugs then you have no clue about bodybuilding,,phil heath is what we call tomas prince of the 2000s ,,tomas prince of the 90s coudnt make it even into o ,,hardly made it ,,when now day you got a nothingness generation named phillip heath that is practically lead the pack because the pack is SHIT,, all blow up of insulin and gh ,,gh by itself with out insulin is much much better and i highly reomend it but when you add the insulin and the doses they take.....you create what we call now day the marshmelo man syndrom ,,blow up dolls ,, it is really not bodybuilding ,,it is more of a blow up doll contest,,very bad

gh15 approveed

this is also the reason why the 70s-90s guys had pecs as big as today an legs much smaler, because BB usually hate to train legs, with all teh shitload of drugs of today they get away with their layziness
do you say No insulin is best or just a little

i think you need a little bit to control blood-sugar level?

[closeline]

münzer used high doses of Aminoglutethimide....(but that did kill him)

i don t think it was just "one drug" that killed him

Aminoglutethimide was a factor when his body wasn t able to activate his "wappons" (cortisol) when he was fighting with death in his last hours hospital

but it was a bunch of "things" taht brought him there

this is what his "friend" told me

[chris10000]

Aminoglutethimide was a factor when his body wasn t able to activate his "wappons" (cortisol) when he was fighting with death in his last hours hospital

excuse me...i was to lazy to type 

the limited cortisol made the gastric ulcers bleeding without end

[NarcissisticDeity]

WOW-WEE he's right   give me a fucking break

Lee Labrada spoke on this exact topic years ago on pro Bodybuilding weekly he said it was insulin ruining the quality and muscle separation , it's old news and gh15 types this years later and it's some great revelation  

[tendonitis]

it's 100% insulin. Cutler's entire upper body looks like if you poked him with a pin he'd leak the shit