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December 18, 2010
Senate Blocks Bill for Young Illegal Immigrants
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
www.nyt.com

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The Senate on Saturday blocked a bill that would have created a path to citizenship for certain young illegal immigrants who came to the United States as children, completed two years of college or military service and met other requirements, including passing a criminal background check.

The vote by 55-41 in favor of the bill, which is known as the Dream Act, effectively kills it for this year, and its fate is uncertain. The measure needed the support of 60 senators to cut off a filibuster and bring it to the floor.

Supporters said they were heartened that the measure won the backing of a majority of the Senate. They said they would continue to press for it, either on its own or as part of a wide immigration overhaul that some Democrats hope to undertake next year and believe could be an area of cooperation with Republicans, who will control a majority in the House

Most immediately, the measure would have helped grant legal status to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant students and recent graduates whose lives are severely restricted though many have lived in the United States for nearly their entire lives.

Young Hispanic men and women filled the spectator galleries of the Senate, many of them wearing graduation caps and tassels in a symbol of their support for the bill. They held hands in a prayerful gesture as the clerk called the roll and many looked stricken as its defeat was announced.

President Obama had personally lobbied lawmakers in support the bill. But Democrats were not able to hold ranks.

Five Democrats joined Republicans in opposing the bill. They were Democratic Senators Max Baucus of Montana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Mark Pryor of Arkansas and Jon Tester of Montana.

And three Republicans joined the balance of Democrats in favor of it: Robert Bennett of Utah, Richard Lugar of Indiana, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska.

Mr. Obama, in a statement, called the outcome “incredibly disappointing” and said that he would continue fighting to win approval of the bill.

“It is not only the right thing to do for talented young people who seek to serve a country they know as their own, it is the right thing for the United States of America,” Mr. Obama said. “Our nation is enriched by their talents and would benefit from the success of their efforts.”

“The Dream Act is important to our economic competitiveness, military readiness, and law enforcement efforts,” he said, adding, “It is disappointing that common sense did not prevail today but my administration will note give up.”

In a floor speech, Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, a main champion of the Dream act, urged a yes vote. “I want to make it clear to my colleagues, you won’t get many chances in the United States Senate, in the course of your career, to face clear votes on the issue of justice,” he said.

“Thousands of children in American who live in the shadows and dream of greatness,” he said. “They are children who have been raised in this country. They stand in the classrooms and pledge allegiance to our flag. They sing our ‘Star-Spangled Banner’ as our national anthem. They believe in their heart of hearts this is home. This is the only country they have ever known.”

At a news conference after the vote, Senator Michael Bennet, Democrat of Colorado and a former superintendent of the Denver school system, said he was thinking about all the students he knew there, as he cast his vote in favor of the bill.

“Please don’t have up,” Mr. Bennet said. “Don’t be disappointed because we couldn’t get our act together.”

But opponents of the measure said it was too broad and would grant amnesty to illegal immigrants.

“As part of this legislative session there has been no serious movement to do anything that would improve the grievous situation of illegality at our border,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama. “Leaders in Washington have not only tolerate lawlessness but, in fact, our policies have encouraged it.”

Mr. Sessions added, “This bill is a law that at its fundamental core is a reward for illegal activity.”

Ms. Murkowski, in a statement, chastised Democrats for bringing the bill to the floor when it was “doomed to fail” but said that she broke with most Republicans because the legislation was important.

“I support the goal of the Dream Act which is to enable children who were brought to the United States by their parents to earn citizenship through service in the armed forces or pursuit of higher education,” Ms. Murkowski said. “ I do not believe that children are to blame for the decision of their parents to enter or remain in the United States unlawfully. The reality is that many of these children regard America as the only country they ever knew. Some were not even told that they were unlawfully in the United States until it came time for them to apply for college. America should provide these young people with the opportunity to pursue the American dream. They have much to offer America if given the chance.”

Ms. Murkowski also expressed an openness to dealing with the wider immigration issue. “ I firmly believe that Congress needs to embrace the wider immigration question, starting with securing our borders, and I plan to work with my colleagues on this issue in the new Congress,” she said.


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close the border and then we will talk about the dreams f ilegals.  

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 02:15:39 PM »
Young Hispanic men and women filled the spectator galleries of the Senate, many of them wearing graduation caps and tassels in a symbol of their support for the bill. They held hands in a prayerful gesture as the clerk called the roll and many looked stricken as its defeat was announced.


Wtf?  ???

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 02:22:13 PM »
Lol. 

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 06:11:39 PM »
Obama in a landslide in 2012.  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 06:18:38 PM »
Yeah, a landlslide into the toilet.

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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 06:57:44 PM »
I don't really have a problem with this.

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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010, 07:06:07 PM »
Its amnesty via the back door.

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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2010, 07:14:44 PM »
Its amnesty via the back door.
How is that?

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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 08:40:22 AM »
Its amnesty via the back door.

which prominent repubs and dems have come out and said this bill was shite?

Which notables supported it?

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 09:25:51 AM »
Just stop.

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“Thousands of children in American who live in the shadows and dream of greatness,” he said. “They are children who have been raised in this country. They stand in the classrooms and pledge allegiance to our flag. They sing our ‘Star-Spangled Banner’ as our national anthem. They believe in their heart of hearts this is home. This is the only country they have ever known.”

“I support the goal of the Dream Act which is to enable children who were brought to the United States by their parents to earn citizenship through service in the armed forces or pursuit of higher education,” Ms. Murkowski said. “ I do not believe that children are to blame for the decision of their parents to enter or remain in the United States unlawfully. The reality is that many of these children regard America as the only country they ever knew. Some were not even told that they were unlawfully in the United States until it came time for them to apply for college. America should provide these young people with the opportunity to pursue the American dream. They have much to offer America if given the chance.”


close the border and then we will talk about the dreams f ilegals.  

What flipping lala land is this in. Most schools don't allow the pledge of allegiance (which is horseshit if ya ask me). Yea let's teach the illegals, sure it's not your fault your parents soaked up the system and brought you here illegally, but do a few good deeds and we shall look the other way.  ::)

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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2010, 09:48:51 AM »
Its utter nonsense all around.

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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2010, 09:59:05 AM »
What flipping lala land is this in. Most schools don't allow the pledge of allegiance (which is horseshit if ya ask me). Yea let's teach the illegals, sure it's not your fault your parents soaked up the system and brought you here illegally, but do a few good deeds and we shall look the other way.  ::)

I'm 100% against this dream bullshite... it's part 1 of amnesty... "let the GOOD illegals stay".  Then we simply change the definition of *good* and you let them all stay by using the Palin Amnesty Plan of "If they're good enough to fill out a form, they can stay!"

FYI, in FL, they still have done the pledge of allegience in every classroom i've been in.  If the parents have an issue with it, they send a note, and the kid gets to sit thru it.  I taught at poorer schools where they cling to guns and bibles (right, 2008?) so they all love the pledge.

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« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2010, 10:00:54 AM »
I'm 100% against this dream bullshite... it's part 1 of amnesty... "let the GOOD illegals stay".  Then we simply change the definition of *good* and you let them all stay by using the Palin Amnesty Plan of "If they're good enough to fill out a form, they can stay!"

FYI, in FL, they still have done the pledge of allegience in every classroom i've been in.  If the parents have an issue with it, they send a note, and the kid gets to sit thru it.  I taught at poorer schools where they cling to guns and bibles (right, 2008?) so they all love the pledge.

well good for schools in Florida, I think it should still be allowed, sadly it really isn't

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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2010, 10:12:09 AM »
Why did you bring up palin.

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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2010, 11:26:10 AM »
Because once they get citizenship, they can sponsor their illegal alien parents.  Its called back door amnesty. 

Its more horseshit from the lunatic left.

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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2010, 11:46:37 AM »
Sponser them to immigrate legally?

Don't we only let a cetian amount in each year?

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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2010, 11:52:35 AM »
Yes.  But never illegals sponosoring other illegals.  I sponsored someone for citizenship from venzuela and know all about the process. 

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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2010, 12:26:24 PM »
The Republicans killed The Dream.

Despite all the seats Republicans picked up, there are still three gaping holes in their image. First, their image remains as negative as it was after the election in 2008 — 41 percent of registered voters have negative feelings toward the Republicans. Second, half of those who identify with the Republicans care more about the Tea Party than the GOP, and they're going to hold the leadership's feet to the fire; John Boehner is about to get some electroshock treatment. Third, as the victories of Jerry Brown in California and Harry Reid in Nevada underscore, the fastest-growing segment of the electorate is the Hispanic vote. Democrats had a 22-point advantage among Hispanics in 2004; today that has grown to a 38-point advantage. Anti-immigration rhetoric may have driven Republican voters to the polls this year, but they will pay a price for it in 2012. ~ Peter D. Hart

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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2010, 12:38:05 PM »
Please.  Why should we entertain the dreams of criminals, invaders, madoffs, and parasites? 

We have a legal process, perhaps these crimigrants should follow it.

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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2010, 12:51:01 PM »
Another thing, we are we even talking about the dreams of illegal invaders and crimmigrants, when we should be discussing border security and a more effecient way to deport as many of these leeches as possible? 

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2010, 12:59:43 PM »
If I was a Republican senator, I would have called ICE and had all of them arrested.

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And the Republicans won't pay any price at all if the 30 million illegals remain illegal. In the states where there are large hispanic populations the Republicans either have nothing to fear ( Texas, Arizona, New Mexico) or had no shot of winning the state anyway (California, NY). Florida is a wash because of Rubio.


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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2010, 01:00:30 PM »
I think you need to accept the fact that no one in Washington is concerned about illegal immigrants including every republican.

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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2010, 01:02:33 PM »
The Dems care big time. They look at it as a bonanza of potential votes if their hideously destructive legislation passes.