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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #150 on: December 31, 2010, 06:12:10 AM »
Hey you ignorant motherf uc kers, this is not a fucking copy and paste competition, and if it was I would win it.

Looks like you just started studying the global warming issue a few days ago...You have since changed your mind a few times. Now you are calling other people ignorant?

Hi tbombz.. ;D

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #151 on: December 31, 2010, 06:15:57 AM »
Blah blah - you are a immature little bitch.   Grow up already.   

"Global Warming" now referred to as "climate change" has been proven a complete lie and bogus theory and ou true believers cant accept the fact that you bought into a false religion. 

I guess its like children finding out at 5 y/o that Santa Claus is fake. 

He started learning about global warming 10 days ago, now he is an expert..He's flipped flopped his stance a few times already

I think Xerxes may be t-dizzles gimmick account :o

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #152 on: December 31, 2010, 06:19:00 AM »
Xerxes if you can take away anything from that movie is that experts, professors have been harassed at major universities etc, for not going with the global warming scheme.

There is a lot of money on the line for a lucky few..

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #153 on: December 31, 2010, 06:20:58 AM »
NO, ONCE! Why are you lying to prove a point? I realized I was wrong after extensive study, you however choose to believe a conspiracy theory on youtube.  :-\ :-\ :-\

I actually wrote an extensive 75 page paper on the subject 1.5 years ago in grad school. So i know more about the subject than most... :o

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #154 on: December 31, 2010, 06:25:44 AM »
Since you actually took the time to go through those long ass videos 1-7, I am sure you'd be open to seeing some other stuff too. I will post some stuff just for you after new years (off to party soon).

When i was your age i used to believe in global warming..Younger people are more influenced by the mass media, and propaganda...

I don't want yo argue with you..I would advise you to keep looking, stay objective, and you'll find the truth...

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #155 on: December 31, 2010, 06:28:09 AM »
How much c02 did the volcano in Iceland produce last year?

I already saw that video...


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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #156 on: December 31, 2010, 06:30:13 AM »
How much c02 did the volcano in Iceland produce last year?

Proably more than all the drivers on the planet for 1000 years combined. 

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #157 on: December 31, 2010, 06:36:35 AM »
You don't want to know the truth you just want your political party to be "right". Until you come to the discussion with an open mind and be objective I am ignoring you.

In the meantime, I hope you can take a look at what NASA says to educate yourself a little.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/


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Whatever.    Again - an average volcano eruption spews more stuff into the air than all of us combined x 1000's. 


Should be ban volcanoes?   

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #158 on: December 31, 2010, 06:38:40 AM »
You don't want to know the truth you just want your political party to be "right". Until you come to the discussion with an open mind and be objective I am ignoring you.

In the meantime, I hope you can take a look at what NASA says to educate yourself a little.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

The issue isn't about this "fake right left paradigm" It's about Co2 driving global temperatures upward.

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #159 on: December 31, 2010, 06:41:51 AM »
You don't want to know the truth you just want your political party to be "right". Until you come to the discussion with an open mind and be objective I am ignoring you.

In the meantime, I hope you can take a look at what NASA says to educate yourself a little.
http://climate.nasa.gov/keyIndicators/

Maybe you should learn something about what NASA is really all about.

Oh, and try not to meltdown with capital letters.  ;)

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #160 on: December 31, 2010, 06:50:19 AM »

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Whatever.    Again - an average volcano eruption spews more stuff into the air than all of us combined x 1000's. 


Should be ban volcanoes?   

We should ban babies..They are carbon monsters..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-495495/Meet-women-wont-babies--theyre-eco-friendly.html

These women are afraid to have babies, cause they are to eco friendly

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #161 on: December 31, 2010, 06:52:49 AM »
What happened 3333, you ran away, your volcano argument didn't work out well or what?  ::)


I choose to believe legitimate sources like universities, scientific institutions, majority of scientists educated in the field. Don't know what the fuck you are going by.

Ok, says a child who was influenced by tbomz garbage, and changed his mind about this issue twice in 10 days.. ;D

I'm about to go get some carbon reduced tortilla chips, and drink a co2 defused tofu protein shake. :o

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #162 on: December 31, 2010, 07:05:12 AM »
Totally irrelevant, I shatter his volcano argument, and you turn to "baby" rubbish, wtf man?

It's about level of greenhouse gases from oil, gas and coal.

First of all, I am not a child @ 21 years old.

I wasn't "influenced" by tbombz, I just realised I was wrong.

Lastly I only changed my mind ONCE.

Enjoy whatever the fuck you are gonna eat and drink.


Yes you are a child at 21 y/o.      until you get a real job and actually work for a few years, you are still green, no pun intended.   You will quickly leanr than greater than 50% of the pap they "teach" you in college in utter horseshit. 


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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #163 on: December 31, 2010, 07:08:29 AM »
Yes you are a child at 21 y/o.      until you get a real job and actually work for a few years, you are still green, no pun intended.   You will quickly leanr than greater than 50% of the pap they "teach" you in college in utter horseshit. 



He's still wet behind the ears...His mind isn't fully developed yet.

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #164 on: December 31, 2010, 07:18:06 AM »
Gayer then global warming

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #165 on: December 31, 2010, 07:25:19 AM »
All this discussion about me and my age is totally irrelevant, present your arguments to why you think global warming is fake and then I will address them. I'm tired of this childish insult hurling.


Climate always changes.  Changed when there were previous ice ages, changed when the dino's died off, changed when there were hot periods in the middle ages, etc.  

Its only the recent arrogance and corruption by mini-madoffs like Gore that they chose to try to connect recent changes with activity of man and propose bogus solutions that only serve to enrich wall street and tax and mandate bogus shit on the average guy that won't do a damn thing.  

Its all feel good horseshit for dupes an suckers to get people to empty ther wallets and accept a lower standard of living for some imaginary thing that is not happening.


Check this out.   This s how the green cult argues this:  

Raining out - global warming
Drout - global warming  
Hot outside - global warming
Cold outside - global warming
Hurricane - global warming
Tornado - global warming
Earthquake - global warming




Everything that happens that has been happening since the creation of the earth is now attributed to ths mythical " man made climate change" and isalways usedto justify more taxes, more regulation, etc.  


Its total nonsense.            

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #166 on: December 31, 2010, 07:30:01 AM »
people care about what they have no control over cause they have nothing better to do in life. Most of em have insecurities in their own life, things they could improve but are too scared to change, yet they care about potential global cataclysms or give money to associations to save dolphins or children in the third world. Most of em are not even able to raise their own childs properly or maintain a constant discipline in their everyday life.

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #167 on: December 31, 2010, 07:36:40 AM »
people care about what they have no control over cause they have nothing better to do in life.
This.
QF Motherf'in Truth an shit.

Idealists who want to be worried about something, and nothing is going on in their life enough to satisfy them.

But I still love you Xerxes, I just agree with 225, a lot of it has to do with the fact that youre still young and in your "idealist" stage, eventually youll see through all the bullshit too.
BTW, Id tend to agree with the guy that wrote his grad paper on global warming, IMHO hes done more research for that grad paper than youve done in youre search for truth, and Id tend to agree with what his finding was, considering everyone else has agenda's and money riding on it.
He doesnt.

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #168 on: December 31, 2010, 07:36:53 AM »
Xerxes is using global warming as an excuse for being a twink...He justifies consuming less protein, and food overall because he wants to keep the smallest carbon foot print possible.. 8)

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #169 on: December 31, 2010, 07:41:26 AM »
I am off to a new years dinner party now, I'll respond later. Happy new year!!

Happy new year Xerxes...Come back new year with a open mind...


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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #170 on: December 31, 2010, 07:50:26 AM »
Xerxes owning some twinks in dis thread fo sho  ;D

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #171 on: December 31, 2010, 08:00:28 AM »
Eight Botched Environmental Forecasts
By Maxim Lott


Published December 30, 2010 | FoxNews.com


A new year is around the corner, and some climate scientists and environmental activists say that means we're one step closer to a climate Armageddon. But are we really?

Predicting the weather -- especially a decade or more in advance -- is unbelievably challenging. What's the track record of those most worried about global warming? Decades ago, what did prominent scientists think the environment would be like in 2010? FoxNews.com has compiled eight of the most egregiously mistaken predictions, and asked the predictors to reflect on what really happened.

1. Within a few years "children just aren't going to know what snow is." Snowfall will be "a very rare and exciting event." Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.

Ten years later, in December 2009, London was hit by the heaviest snowfall seen in 20 years. And just last week, a snowstorm forced Heathrow airport to shut down, stranding thousands of Christmas travelers.

A spokesman for the government-funded British Council, where Viner now works as the lead climate change expert, told FoxNews.com that climate science had improved since the prediction was made.

"Over the past decade, climate science has moved on considerably and there is now more understanding about the impact climate change will have on weather patterns in the coming years," British Council spokesman Mark Herbert said. "However, Dr Viner believes that his general predictions are still relevant."

Herbert also pointed to another prediction from Viner in the same article, in which Viner predicted that "heavy snow would return occasionally" and that it would "probably cause chaos in 20 years time." Other scientists said "a few years" was simply too short a time frame for kids to forget what snow was.

"I'd say at some point, say 50 years from now, it might be right. If he said a few years, that was an unwise prediction," said Michael Oppenheimer, director of Princeton University's Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy.

Of course, Oppenheimer himself is known for controversial global warming scenarios.

2. "[By] 1995, the greenhouse effect would be desolating the heartlands of North America and Eurasia with horrific drought, causing crop failures and food riots…[By 1996] The Platte River of Nebraska would be dry, while a continent-wide black blizzard of prairie topsoil will stop traffic on interstates, strip paint from houses and shut down computers." Michael Oppenheimer, published in "Dead Heat," St. Martin's Press, 1990.


Oppenheimer told FoxNews.com that he was trying to illustrate one possible outcome of failing to curb emissions, not making a specific prediction. He added that the gist of his story had in fact come true, even if the events had not occurred in the U.S.

"On the whole I would stand by these predictions -- not predictions, sorry, scenarios -- as having at least in a general way actually come true," he said. "There's been extensive drought, devastating drought, in significant parts of the world. The fraction of the world that's in drought has increased over that period."

That may be in doubt, however. Data from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center shows that precipitation -- rain and snow -- has increased slightly over the century.

3. "Arctic specialist Bernt Balchen says a general warming trend over the North Pole is melting the polar ice cap and may produce an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the year 2000." Christian Science Monitor, June 8, 1972.

Ice coverage has fallen, though as of last month, the Arctic Ocean had 3.82 million square miles of ice cover -- an area larger than the continental United States -- according to The National Snow and Ice Data Center.

4. "Using computer models, researchers concluded that global warming would raise average annual temperatures nationwide two degrees by 2010." Associated Press, May 15, 1989.


Status of prediction: According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1989. And U.S. temperature has increased even less over the same period.

The group that did the study, Atmospheric and Environmental Research Inc., said it could not comment in time for this story due to the holidays.

But Oppenheimer said that the difference between an increase of nearly one degree and an increase of two degrees was "definitely within the margin of error... I would think the scientists themselves would be happy with that prediction."

Many scientists, especially in the 1970s, made an error in the other direction by predicting global freezing:

5. "By 1985, air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half." Life magazine, January 1970.

Life Magazine also noted that some people disagree, "but scientists have solid experimental and historical evidence to support each of the following predictions."

Air quality has actually improved since 1970. Studies find that sunlight reaching the Earth fell by somewhere between 3 and 5 percent over the period in question.

6. "If present trends continue, the world will be ... eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age." Kenneth E.F. Watt, in "Earth Day," 1970.

According to NASA, global temperature has increased by about 1 degree Fahrenheit since 1970.

How could scientists have made such off-base claims? Dr. Paul Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb" and president of Stanford University's Center for Conservation Biology, told FoxNews.com that ideas about climate science changed a great deal in the the '70s and '80s.

"Present trends didn't continue," Ehrlich said of Watt's prediction. "There was considerable debate in the climatological community in the '60s about whether there would be cooling or warming … Discoveries in the '70s and '80s showed that the warming was going to be the overwhelming force."

Ehrlich told FoxNews.com that the consequences of future warming could be dire.

The proverbial excrement is "a lot closer to the fan than it was in 1968," he said. "And every single colleague I have agrees with that."

He added, "Scientists don't live by the opinion of Rush Limbaugh and Palin and George W. They live by the support of their colleagues, and I've had full support of my colleagues continuously."

But Ehrlich admits that several of his own past environmental predictions have not come true:

7. "By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people ... If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000." Ehrlich, Speech at British Institute For Biology, September 1971.

Ehrlich's prediction was taken seriously when he made it, and New Scientist magazine underscored his speech in an editorial titled "In Praise of Prophets."

"When you predict the future, you get things wrong," Ehrlich admitted, but "how wrong is another question. I would have lost if I had had taken the bet. However, if you look closely at England, what can I tell you? They're having all kinds of problems, just like everybody else."

8. "In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish." Ehrlich, speech during Earth Day, 1970

"Certainly the first part of that was very largely true -- only off in time," Ehrlich told FoxNews.com. "The second part is, well -- the fish haven't washed up, but there are very large dead zones around the world, and they frequently produce considerable stench."

"Again, not totally accurate, but I never claimed to predict the future with full accuracy," he said.

 

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #172 on: January 01, 2011, 07:10:43 AM »
Thank you for this information but it is totally irrelevant to the debate, dr phil  ::).

What grad paper is that? Possible to read somewhere? I can't really understand why or how your one friends GRAD PAPER will inform me better than the majority of scientists (no offence but come on, it's a grad paper not a magic bullet).




A survey of 3146 earth scientists asked the question "Do you think human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures?" (Doran 2009).

More than 90% of participants had Ph.D.s, and 7% had master’s degrees. Overall, 82% of the scientists answered yes.

However, what are most interesting are responses compared to the level of expertise in climate science.

Of scientists who were non-climatologists and didn't publish research, 77% answered yes. In contrast, 97.5% of climatologists who actively publish research on climate change responded yes.

What I was going with, is that 225 said he wrote his grad paper on this subject, which means he did all of the research that you have been doing x 1000 and HE came to the conclusion that its a bunch of propoganda BS.  My opinion is, after reading everything ive read, and heard from non-biased 3rd parties (such as 225), my opinion is that its horseshit. The earth has been doing this for centuries, and it will continue to do it long after were gone. You have to realize how much money for how many people (yes including scientists) is at stake here, not to mention how many scientists are being bullied for not going along with it.
Im not saying were not doing ANYTHING, im just saying were grossly overestimating OUR damage to the environment, compared to what is naturaly goin on with the earth.
You have to understand, scientists love getting on bandwagons like this, they have for centuries, remember  back in the day when the earth was flat, and anyone who disagreed was bullied and told was stupid?

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #173 on: January 10, 2011, 05:56:45 PM »
Are you posting about "climategate" now? !, it is not relevant to the discussion.


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Xerxes have you changed your opinion once again..How is climategate not relevant here? :-\

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Re: Climate change/global warming is real
« Reply #174 on: January 10, 2011, 11:36:55 PM »
Freezing my ass off in Vegas... time to go pump my pecs.