for the guy who asked if insulin-resistance from GH-therapy is temporary

[Dragon]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/4/1455

the untoward effect of GH on glucose metabolism persisted after 6 months. However, we have observed impaired insulin sensitivity even after 2 yr of GH treatment (44). This is also supported by Johnston et al. (45), who found increased fasting insulin levels even after 10 yr of GH treatment.


guys... i have no agenda in this shit... i don't sell drugs, nor am i looking for natural-bodybuilding fame in america.....    just stating the facts here... yes no scientist got as big as a "dumbshit bodybuilder"
but show me the bodybuilder post-competition or after retirement.. yes he looks like dogshit , probably forever

[Shockwave]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/4/1455

the untoward effect of GH on glucose metabolism persisted after 6 months. However, we have observed impaired insulin sensitivity even after 2 yr of GH treatment (44). This is also supported by Johnston et al. (45), who found increased fasting insulin levels even after 10 yr of GH treatment.


guys... i have no agenda in this shit... i don't sell drugs, nor am i looking for natural-bodybuilding fame in america.....    just stating the facts here... yes no scientist got as big as a "dumbshit bodybuilder"
but show me the bodybuilder post-competition or after retirement.. yes he looks like dogshit , probably forever

Newsflash - No one here cares. HtH

[Grenade]

very informative post props

[makaveli25]

Same with AAS if you have been using for long enough their is no coming off. Most people will have a very hard time coming off completely because of what it does to your hpta. I would be a lot more worried about having blood sugar problems though.

At least with having low test you just go to the doctor and get put on hrt.

[JimmyJam1974]

Seriously, go to hell

[Grenade]

Same with AAS if you have been using for long enough their is no coming off. Most people will have a very hard time coming off completely because of what it does to your hpta. I would be a lot more worried about having blood sugar problems though.

At least with having low test you just go to the doctor and get put on hrt.

exactly. no GH for me ... up the cytomel or something 

[makaveli25]

I would take it if If I new I would have the money to run a small dose the rest of my life. I really think the anti ageing properties are awesome at a low dose for what I've read and seen. If you are an actor, bodybuilder, professional athlete I could see using it a super high doses.

[tbombz]

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/88/4/1455

the untoward effect of GH on glucose metabolism persisted after 6 months. However, we have observed impaired insulin sensitivity even after 2 yr of GH treatment (44). This is also supported by Johnston et al. (45), who found increased fasting insulin levels even after 10 yr of GH treatment.


guys... i have no agenda in this shit... i don't sell drugs, nor am i looking for natural-bodybuilding fame in america.....    just stating the facts here... yes no scientist got as big as a "dumbshit bodybuilder"
but show me the bodybuilder post-competition or after retirement.. yes he looks like dogshit , probably forever

  you don't have an agenda, but you don't know how to use critical thinking either. that study says insulin resistance was still Present in patients recieving GH therapy at the ten year mark.  They were not bodybuilders and they were still receiving GH therapy when they were tested for insulin resistance.  This in no way indicates anything about how GH would effect someone who is gaining large amounts of muscle and losing body fat while taking the GH, and it does not say anything about the permanence of the insulin resistance. They were still on GH during this test. Take em off GH for a few months and get back to me.

[no one]

Seriously, go to hell

LOL

[Dragon]

 you don't have an agenda, but you don't know how to use critical thinking either. that study says insulin resistance was still Present in patients recieving GH therapy at the ten year mark.  They were not bodybuilders and they were still receiving GH therapy when they were tested for insulin resistance.  This in no way indicates anything about how GH would effect someone who is gaining large amounts of muscle and losing body fat while taking the GH, and it does not say anything about the permanence of the insulin resistance. They were still on GH during this test. Take em off GH for a few months and get back to me.

let me make some cliffs for people like "tbombz" who don't know how to read studies  
-after study, GH therapy was ceased
-no change in body composition except decreased bodyfat(after couple months) . no increased lean body mass.
-muscle biopsy showed increased type IIX fibers in muscles (aka couch potatoe muscle)  
-impaired insulin-stimulated glucose uptake after both 1 wk and 6 months
-impaired insulin sensitivity even after 2 yr of GH
-another study showed increased fasting insulin levels even after 10 yr of GH

[Dragon]

  you don't have an agenda, but you don't know how to use critical thinking either. that study says insulin resistance was still Present in patients recieving GH therapy at the ten year mark.  They were not bodybuilders and they were still receiving GH therapy when they were tested for insulin resistance. This in no way indicates anything about how GH would effect someone who is gaining large amounts of muscle and losing body fat while taking the GH, and it does not say anything about the permanence of the insulin resistance. They were still on GH during this test. Take em off GH for a few months and get back to me.

U have got to be kidding me     not everyone takes massive amounts of steroids like U, my friend.

[Dragon]

  you don't have an agenda, but you don't know how to use critical thinking either. that study says insulin resistance was still Present in patients recieving GH therapy at the ten year mark.  They were not bodybuilders and they were still receiving GH therapy when they were tested for insulin resistance.  This in no way indicates anything about how GH would effect someone who is gaining large amounts of muscle and losing body fat while taking the GH, and it does not say anything about the permanence of the insulin resistance. They were still on GH during this test. Take em off GH for a few months and get back to me.

another study showed permanant impairment 

[tbombz]

let me make some cliffs for people like "tbombz" who don't know how to read studies 
-after study, GH therapy was ceased
-no change in body composition except decreased bodyfat(after couple months) . no increased lean body mass.
-muscle biopsy showed increased type IIX fibers in muscles (aka couch potatoe muscle) 
-impaired insulin-stimulated glucose uptake after both 1 wk and 6 months
-impaired insulin sensitivity even after 2 yr of GH
-another study shows fasting insulin levels even after 10 yr of GH

after study, GH therapy ceased. Key words:AFTER STUDY. Not before or during. AFTER.  

No increases in lean body mass. But they aren't bodybuilders, and they wrent trying to increase lean body mass. If you don't accept that GH helps bodybuilders grow, you just have no idea what your talking about.

Impaired insulin sensitivity after 2 and ten years. WHILE STILL ON GH. And with no increases in muscle mass.

Dummy  

[Dragon]

Tbombz, did U read the study? just asking  
and yes, Gh doesn't help bodybuilders build lean muscle mass. tendons don't count as muscles.
and no, i'm not talking about the individual injecting insulin, steroids, thyroid hormone at the same time
good luck tho 

[jude2]

Tbombz, did U read the study? just asking  
and yes, Gh doesn't help bodybuilders build lean muscle mass. tendons don't count as muscles.
and no, i'm not talking about the individual injecting insulin, steroids, thyroid hormone at the same time
good luck tho 

I know some people can get big on steroids only, but to state gh dosen't help BB build lean muscle mass is crazy. Look at the size of pro BB today who take a shit load of gh. Not evey BB is taking gh, but you know the pros are because they can get it and it makes them lean and huge. Even gh15 knows that.

[Dragon]

I know some people can get big on steroids only, but to state gh dosen't help BB build lean muscle mass is crazy. Look at the size of pro BB today who take a shit load of gh. Not evey BB is taking gh, but you know the pros are because they can get it and it makes them lean and huge. Even gh15 knows that.

U are wrong my friend. "ONLY" Gh does NOTHING for building lean muscle mass, and there are so many studys/journals out there it's not even funny.
infact, only taking GH shows to also impair athletic performance, and this isn't just 2,3 studies. ALL studies say so  
the pro BB takes various hormones to compensate the downfalls of GH ( ex: thyroid hormone for exo GH-induced thyroid downregulation)
come to think of it , pro BBs are pretty smart    
 

[tbombz]

U are wrong my friend. "ONLY" Gh does NOTHING for building lean muscle mass, and there are so many studys/journals out there it's not even funny.
infact, only taking GH shows to also impair athletic performance, and this isn't just 2,3 studies. ALL studies say so  
the pro BB takes various hormones to compensate the downfalls of GH ( ex: thyroid hormone for exo GH-induced thyroid downregulation)
come to think of it , pro BBs are pretty smart    
 

Get your head out of studies, for one you don't know how to use critical thinking and evaluate what the significance of them are, and for two studies are always trumped by reality.

[Dragon]

Get your head out of studies, for one you don't know how to use critical thinking and evaluate what the significance of them are, and for two studies are always trumped by reality.

U are right but when many many studies say the same shit, somethings wrong, that's all i want to say. Get your head out of getbig bro

[tbombz]

U are right but when many many studies say the same shit, somethings wrong, that's all i want to say. Get your head out of getbig bro

I was bashing GH's ability to build muscle years ago, referencing the same bullshit studies you just were. But guess what? Those studies aren't done on bodybuilders, or even weightlifters or athletes. More couch potato fibers? Well what kind of fibers is a sedentary using anyways?   fact is, when bodybuilders use GH they grow faster and get rounder, all the while getting leaner. What the mechanism is, what studies say, doesn't mean shit. What matters is it works. besides the fact that basic understanding of human physiology and endocrine system would make one realize why GH would indeed help with hypertrophy/hyperplasia.

[Dragon]

I was bashing GH's ability to build muscle years ago, referencing the same bullshit studies you just were. But guess what? Those studies aren't done on bodybuilders, or even weightlifters or athletes. More couch potato fibers? Well what kind of fibers is a sedentary using anyways?   fact is, when bodybuilders use GH they grow faster and get rounder, all the while getting leaner. What the mechanism is, what studies say, doesn't mean shit. What matters is it works. besides the fact that basic understanding of human physiology and endocrine system would make one realize why GH would indeed help with hypertrophy/hyperplasia.

NO, many of those studies were done on athletes. what "bullshit" study did you read, let's see it.
and NO, athletes using only GH do NOT get faster and rounder, they WILL get leaner.
taking only GH does NOT help with lean muscle hypertrophy.
are there any doctors or endocrinogists on this board? lets put this shit to an end.

[Captain Equipoise]

  you don't have an agenda, but you don't know how to use critical thinking either. that study says insulin resistance was still Present in patients recieving GH therapy at the ten year mark.  They were not bodybuilders and they were still receiving GH therapy when they were tested for insulin resistance.  This in no way indicates anything about how GH would effect someone who is gaining large amounts of muscle and losing body fat while taking the GH, and it does not say anything about the permanence of the insulin resistance. They were still on GH during this test. Take em off GH for a few months and get back to me.

Hey Taylor where again did you do your doctorate ? oh yeah, you read a few websites and 'broscience' posts..

hahaha

[tbombz]

NO, many of those studies were done on athletes. what "bullshit" study did you read, let's see it.
and NO, athletes using only GH do NOT get faster and rounder, they WILL get leaner.
taking only GH does NOT help with lean muscle hypertrophy.
are there any doctors or endocrinogists on this board? lets put this shit to an end.

  can only lead a horse to water

[jude2]

U are wrong my friend. "ONLY" Gh does NOTHING for building lean muscle mass, and there are so many studys/journals out there it's not even funny.
infact, only taking GH shows to also impair athletic performance, and this isn't just 2,3 studies. ALL studies say so  
the pro BB takes various hormones to compensate the downfalls of GH ( ex: thyroid hormone for exo GH-induced thyroid downregulation)
come to think of it , pro BBs are pretty smart    
 

Dude they use to say steroids dosen't help athletic performance. Now we know that isn't true. As far a gh impairs athletic performance is also wrong. I work with some professional basketball players and I will tell you that is wrong.

[Dragon]

Dude they use to say steroids dosen't help athletic performance. Now we know that isn't true. As far a gh impairs athletic performance is also wrong. I work with some professional basketball players and I will tell you that is wrong.

i can see how GH could help a backetball player; don't they get messed up knee tendons only after couple years in NBA..
probably worse than soccer players who get to play on a grass-dirt field...
well, do your thang man.

[Master Blaster]

U are wrong my friend. "ONLY" Gh does NOTHING for building lean muscle mass, and there are so many studys/journals out there it's not even funny.
infact, only taking GH shows to also impair athletic performance, and this isn't just 2,3 studies. ALL studies say so  
the pro BB takes various hormones to compensate the downfalls of GH ( ex: thyroid hormone for exo GH-induced thyroid downregulation)
come to think of it , pro BBs are pretty smart    
 

HAHAHAHAH!!!  

I actually thought you were serious for a second  

Good trolling, master approved