Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'

[Al Doggity]

First let me clarify as you seem to have misunderstood, I said that homosexuality has a behavioral content to it. Yes someone maybe more genetically predisposed to being gay just as someone maybe more genetically predisposed to being violent but those ppl must choose to let that behaviour happen.

Yeah, but regardless of whether or not violent criminals have genetic predispositions towards that behavior, they are not arrested unless they actually commit violent crimes. Unless homosexual sexual activity is taking place in a bathroom, there would be no issue.

second if its like you believe and is inherit then why are you asking the quesitons you are?

I'm not the one making the argument that this is a civil rights issue. Bathrooms are separated by gender, not sexual preference.

again youre putting the cart ahead of the horse, the solution isnt the first step. The first step is to agree or disagree that allowing gays into locker rooms and same sex bathrooms presents situations that place straight ppl in scenarios that allow them to be sexually harassed by a person who finds their sex sexually attractive.

we can talk about how its implemented after that, but the first step is to agree on that or whats the point in talking implementation?

  I don't agree with you. I don't think you've made any good point on the matter and I don't think you have any good ideas on how to deal with the issue. IF you are going to claim that a problem needs to be solved, then you should have some idea of how a solution should be implemented. The only problem with that is that any solution would contradict points you've made in the past.

btw-in what policy circumstance has anyone EVER said we have to agree a problem exists before we can  begin discussing how to implement solutions?  

[tonymctones]

Yeah, but regardless of whether or not violent criminals have genetic predispositions towards that behavior, they are not arrested unless they actually commit violent crimes. Unless homosexual sexual activity is taking place in a bathroom, there would be no issue.

disagree, just a heterosexual staring at a person they find sexually attractive getting dressed in a locker room is illegal there need be no sexual interaction, why is it not the same for gays?

I'm not the one making the argument that this is a civil rights issue. Bathrooms are separated by gender, not sexual preference.

Thank you al you have done what not one person who has argued your side has done before, youre totally right bathrooms and locker rooms are seperated by gender...by what was the significance of gender when this decision was made?

I don't agree with you. I don't think you've made any good point on the matter and I don't think you have any good ideas on how to deal with the issue. IF you are going to claim that a problem needs to be solved, then you should have some idea of how a solution should be implemented. The only problem with that is that any solution would contradict points you've made in the past.

btw-in what policy circumstance has anyone EVER said we have to agree a problem exists before we can  begin discussing how to implement solutions?   

if there is no problem, then there isnt a need for a solution...so first we must agree there is a problem before discussing solutions

[Al Doggity]

disagree, just a heterosexual staring at a person they find sexually attractive getting dressed in a locker room is illegal there need be no sexual interaction, why is it not the same for gays?

That actually isn't true.

Thank you al you have done what not one person who has argued your side has done before, youre totally right bathrooms and locker rooms are seperated by gender...by what was the significance of gender when this decision was made?

Puritanical notions of modesty.

if there is no problem, then there isnt a need for a solution...so first we must agree there is a problem before discussing solutions

You are the one arguing that there is a problem, not me.I agree there is no need for a solution. This whole line of reasoning is stupid and a red herring. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. And if you claim that separate bathrooms for gays is the ONE issue that is keeping you opposed to gay marriage, but have no idea how it should be instituted, then it's even dumber.

 And no, problems don't have to ratified by consensus before solutions can be discussed. You seem to be pretty convinced

[tonymctones]

That actually isn't true.

is it not? we can go into the womens locker room and change in there getting an eye full if we wish?

when did this happen?

Puritanical notions of modesty.

the significance of sex(switched this b/c gender is a mental thing, sex is physical even though they are used interchangable) is that they find the other sex sexually attractive...kinda like gays do with the same sex 

You are the one arguing that there is a problem, not me.I agree there is no need for a solution. This whole line of reasoning is stupid and a red herring. It has nothing to do with gay marriage. And if you claim that separate bathrooms for gays is the ONE issue that is keeping you opposed to gay marriage, but have no idea how it should be instituted, then it's even dumber.

 And no, problems don't have to ratified by consensus before solutions can be discussed. You seem to be pretty convinced

AGAIN gay marriage and this are not mutually exclusive bro, the computer sucks at sarcasm bro the whole "ill start fighting for gay marriage, when they start fight for me being able to see women change" is a tongue in cheek way of saying when they truely want equal rights then i will fight for them, as of right now they dont

I agree that solutions have been implemented without consensus on the problem but it certainly makes it easier, no matter what solution i give if you dont agree on the problem then you will just say thats stupid b/c there is no problem...so lets agree first there is a problem.

[Al Doggity]

disagree, just a heterosexual staring at a person they find sexually attractive getting dressed in a locker room is illegal there need be no sexual interaction, why is it not the same for gays?
Thank you al you have done what not one person who has argued your side has done before, youre totally right bathrooms and locker rooms are seperated by gender...by what was the significance of gender when this decision was made?
if there is no problem, then there isnt a need for a solution...so first we must agree there is a problem before discussing solutions

No. No other argument works like that. If you assert there is a problem you almost always have at least a rough idea as to how it can be solved. You won't soggest anything because you know that there is no reasonable solution that doesn't contradict  your argument. The bathroom/locker room thing isn't sarcasm. It's the only instance you can think of where there is a comparable civil rights issue, and it's neither comparable or an issue.  Yes, I think the argument itself is stupid, but whether or not you could suggest a feasible way to institute a solution is a different thing. You can't.

 Not only is it a red herring,if you actually fully commit to it, it just reenforces how logically unsound your argument is.  


Entering the wrong locker room is not legal. Peeping  is illegal, regardless of gender or sexual orientation


Excuse formatting. Posting from a cab on my iPhone .

[tonymctones]

No. No other argument works like that. If you assert there is a problem you almost always have at least a rough idea as to how it can be solved. You won't soggest anything because you know that there is no reasonable solution that doesn't contradict  your argument. The bathroom/locker room thing isn't sarcasm. It's the only instance you can think of where there is a comparable civil rights issue, and it's neither comparable or an issue.  Yes, I think the argument itself is stupid, but whether or not you could suggest a feasible way to institute a solution is a different thing. You can't.

 Not only is it a red herring,if you actually fully commit to it, it just reenforces how logically unsound your argument is.  


Entering the wrong locker room is not legal. Peeping  is illegal, regardless of gender or sexual orientation


Excuse formatting. Posting from a cab on my iPhone .

LMAO so you think its ok for gay ppl to be allowed in situations where they are able to see ppl the find sexually attractive naked, yet keep straights from doing so?

why is that explain your reasoning...

i can suggest things but that doesnt matter as you disagree on the issue...how about individual locker rooms? or locker rooms with individual changing areas? 

now please explain why you feel its ok for gays to be in locker rooms and bathrooms with ppl they find sexually attractive but not straights

[Skip8282]

Somewhat off topic, but:

There are actual effects to these issues, not just theoretical ideas.  At the place I worked previously, a man underwent surgery to become a woman.  He/she then wanted to use the women's bathroom.  All, and I mean all, of the women there did not want him/her in the bathroom with them.

So what is an employer to do?

Should the desires on one person outweigh the desires of many?  Should an employer have to provide a 3rd bathroom?

[tonymctones]

Somewhat off topic, but:

There are actual effects to these issues, not just theoretical ideas.  At the place I worked previously, a man underwent surgery to become a woman.  He/she then wanted to use the women's bathroom.  All, and I mean all, of the women there did not want him/her in the bathroom with them.

So what is an employer to do?

Should the desires on one person outweigh the desires of many?  Should an employer have to provide a 3rd bathroom?

and just like gay marriage is inevitable so is the problems of having ppl who are sexually attracted to the same sex in locker rooms and bathrooms with ppl they find sexually attractive...

it will become an issue in the future especially with the uber PC era

[peruke]

All people should have the same rights to be as miserable as the next person.   Str8, Gay, marriage is two people who share love & property....All persons should have that right.   People of all faiths, color, etc....can marry now, while during the last few centuries, they couldn't...    Regarding the politics of it, well if it was politically correct to run under the a facist party banner, many persons of both parties would sign up.

Gun Control, Nun Control, The Right To Bare Arms, Or Arm Bears!!!!   Its all political....Neither party could give a shit, unless it gets them votes!   This is the Hot Topic Now!!!

[Skip8282]

and just like gay marriage is inevitable so is the problems of having ppl who are sexually attracted to the same sex in locker rooms and bathrooms with ppl they find sexually attractive...

it will become an issue in the future especially with the uber PC era

I'm not sure it really will.  If you've ever used bathrooms in an airport or even a football game, I've seen flamboyantly gay people using them and it's never caused a problem.  Locker rooms, I suppose, is anybody's guess.

But, if there ever comes a time where gay men are allowed into a women's bathroom/locker room, every time I need to use the bathroom or change, I'll be claiming I'm gay.  

[tonymctones]

I'm not sure it really will.  If you've ever used bathrooms in an airport or even a football game, I've seen flamboyantly gay people using them and it's never caused a problem.  Locker rooms, I suppose, is anybody's guess.

But, if there ever comes a time where gay men are allowed into a women's bathroom/locker room, every time I need to use the bathroom or change, I'll be claiming I'm gay.  

LOL i agree, but then again i have this one dude at my gym who is a cross dresser...i mean wears the volleyball shorts and tank tops with glitter and shit at who got kicked out of another gym for hitting on some guy in the locker room...

enough situations like that go down and the issue will come up, its going to take one or two big law suits before companies start to try and find ways to address the situation.

[sandow74]

LMAO so you think its ok for gay ppl to be allowed in situations where they are able to see ppl the find sexually attractive naked, yet keep straights from doing so?

why is that explain your reasoning...

i can suggest things but that doesnt matter as you disagree on the issue...how about individual locker rooms? or locker rooms with individual changing areas? 

now please explain why you feel its ok for gays to be in locker rooms and bathrooms with ppl they find sexually attractive but not straights

Here is why, bathrooms locker rooms are separated based upon gender for the same reasoning that muslim fundamentalist require that women wear full head to toe coverings, because straight men have trouble controlling their sexual impulses.  Women have a long and terrible history of being abused, oppressed and raped by men.  It is only in the past 100 years that women have approached anything remotely considered to be equal treatment and this is only in the US and Europe, China has made some inroads, but there is still complete male domination of the economic and political system.  Rape and sexual abuse is almost entirely a male on female crime (minor exceptions) and just about every single woman I know has been raped or molested, either by a stranger, a relative, or some form of date rape.  Would you care for me to bring out statistics of how many women are sexually assaulted every year by men vs how many men are sexually assaulted by other men?  That is the reason why bathrooms are separated by gender.  So what if a gay guy checks out your dong, you are not in fear of being raped and taken against your will, no to you it is just icky, when women are viewed sexually by men there is a long and nasty history to where the woman has every reason to be uncomfortable and afraid, you on the other hand are just being childish.

[Al Doggity]

LMAO so you think its ok for gay ppl to be allowed in situations where they are able to see ppl the find sexually attractive naked, yet keep straights from doing so?

why is that explain your reasoning...

i can suggest things but that doesnt matter as you disagree on the issue...how about individual locker rooms? or locker rooms with individual changing areas?  

No, I can judge the merits of your suggestions of solution respective of your lame argument . I notice you took the easy option of suggesting individual changing rooms for all, rather than setting up separate bathrooms for lesbian and gays. I wonder why that is...   (Incidentally, those are the same suggestions the gay bathroom rights website I posted upthread was touting. So, what is the point of this bathroom debate again?  )

now please explain why you feel its ok for gays to be in locker rooms and bathrooms with ppl they find sexually attractive but not straights

Well, I could but since you disagree with me there's no point.  



Haha, bathrooms are separated by gender.You have always stated that homosexuality is behavioral. Unless someone is engaged in gay sex in a bathroom, then how can you define them as gay? Incidentally, all sex, gay or straight ,is illegal in all public restrooms.

[chadstallion]

Here is why, bathrooms locker rooms are separated based upon gender for the same reasoning that muslim fundamentalist require that women wear full head to toe coverings, because straight men have trouble controlling their sexual impulses.  Women have a long and terrible history of being abused, oppressed and raped by men.  It is only in the past 100 years that women have approached anything remotely considered to be equal treatment and this is only in the US and Europe, China has made some inroads, but there is still complete male domination of the economic and political system.  Rape and sexual abuse is almost entirely a male on female crime (minor exceptions) and just about every single woman I know has been raped or molested, either by a stranger, a relative, or some form of date rape.  Would you care for me to bring out statistics of how many women are sexually assaulted every year by men vs how many men are sexually assaulted by other men?  That is the reason why bathrooms are separated by gender.  So what if a gay guy checks out your dong, you are not in fear of being raped and taken against your will, no to you it is just icky, when women are viewed sexually by men there is a long and nasty history to where the woman has every reason to be uncomfortable and afraid, you on the other hand are just being childish.

Welcome to the playpen; strong 3rd post.
Thank you for continuing this discussion- it will feed tony's fascination about being cruised in his locker room.
please realize it is an exercise of futility in responding - he will never change his mind. But it does add length to this thread.
  dont take anything seriously of what he says; it is more fun to tease and mock him.  Like at a zoo and the apes....

[tonymctones]

No, I can judge the merits of your suggestions of solution respective of your lame argument . I notice you took the easy option of suggesting individual changing rooms for all, rather than setting up separate bathrooms for lesbian and gays. I wonder why that is...   (Incidentally, those are the same suggestions the gay bathroom rights website I posted upthread was touting. So, what is the point of this bathroom debate again?  )

the link you gave me didnt really work it took me to that website but the website didnt work properly. The reason I suggested individual rooms is that it would likely be alot cheaper to integrate and if we put gays in their own room it would still present the SAME PROBLEM!!!!!!!!! LOL

Well, I could but since you disagree with me there's no point.  

LOL i didnt refuse to explain my reasoning only the solution, but i like it anyway you smart ass  

Haha, bathrooms are separated by gender.You have always stated that homosexuality is behavioral. Unless someone is engaged in gay sex in a bathroom, then how can you define them as gay? Incidentally, all sex, gay or straight ,is illegal in all public restrooms.

the siginificance of gender is that you attracted to the opposite gender NORMALLY, so when you are attracted to the same gender person you shouldnt be in the same locker room/bathroom with them...

SIGHHHHH again it has a behavioural content to it, to deny that is just ignorant

its more than just sex al, i refer you to my earlier post where the transgender individual hit on another man in the locker room...do you find that acceptable?

[tonymctones]

Here is why, bathrooms locker rooms are separated based upon gender for the same reasoning that muslim fundamentalist require that women wear full head to toe coverings, because straight men have trouble controlling their sexual impulses.  Women have a long and terrible history of being abused, oppressed and raped by men.  It is only in the past 100 years that women have approached anything remotely considered to be equal treatment and this is only in the US and Europe, China has made some inroads, but there is still complete male domination of the economic and political system.  Rape and sexual abuse is almost entirely a male on female crime (minor exceptions) and just about every single woman I know has been raped or molested, either by a stranger, a relative, or some form of date rape.  Would you care for me to bring out statistics of how many women are sexually assaulted every year by men vs how many men are sexually assaulted by other men?  That is the reason why bathrooms are separated by gender.  So what if a gay guy checks out your dong, you are not in fear of being raped and taken against your will, no to you it is just icky, when women are viewed sexually by men there is a long and nasty history to where the woman has every reason to be uncomfortable and afraid, you on the other hand are just being childish.

LMAO so its only "straight" men who have this problem?

id like to see the study for that sandow...whos gimmick are you? im going to guess mons?

[chadstallion]

...... individual hit on another man in the locker room...do you find that acceptable?

i certainly do.
anytime someone is attracted to me because of the hard work I've done on my body I'm flattered.
those that I which to pursue - I do.
those I choose not to, I say "thanks for the compliment but I'm not interested"

[Al Doggity]

the link you gave me didnt really work it took me to that website but the website didnt work properly. The reason I suggested individual rooms is that it would likely be alot cheaper to integrate and if we put gays in their own room it would still present the SAME PROBLEM!!!!!!!!! LOL
LOL i didnt refuse to explain my reasoning only the solution, but i like it anyway you smart ass  
the siginificance of gender is that you attracted to the opposite gender NORMALLY, so when you are attracted to the same gender person you shouldnt be in the same locker room/bathroom with them...

SIGHHHHH again it has a behavioural content to it, to deny that is just ignorant

its more than just sex al, i refer you to my earlier post where the transgender individual hit on another man in the locker room...do you find that acceptable?

Then le's not put the car before the horse. If you think gays should be banned from regular bath/locker rooms, then define gay. What makes someone gay?

[tonymctones]

Then le's not put the car before the horse. If you think gays should be banned from regular bath/locker rooms, then define gay. What makes someone gay?

someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex...

[LurkerNoMore]

Tony's biggest problem stems from his insecurities that gays in the locker won't find him attractive.

Hence the reason he continues to run in circles chasing his tail.

[Al Doggity]

someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex...

And how do you determine who someone is attracted to?

[Straw Man]

Here is why, bathrooms locker rooms are separated based upon gender for the same reasoning that muslim fundamentalist require that women wear full head to toe coverings, because straight men have trouble controlling their sexual impulses.  Women have a long and terrible history of being abused, oppressed and raped by men.  It is only in the past 100 years that women have approached anything remotely considered to be equal treatment and this is only in the US and Europe, China has made some inroads, but there is still complete male domination of the economic and political system.  Rape and sexual abuse is almost entirely a male on female crime (minor exceptions) and just about every single woman I know has been raped or molested, either by a stranger, a relative, or some form of date rape.  Would you care for me to bring out statistics of how many women are sexually assaulted every year by men vs how many men are sexually assaulted by other men?  That is the reason why bathrooms are separated by gender.  So what if a gay guy checks out your dong, you are not in fear of being raped and taken against your will, no to you it is just icky, when women are viewed sexually by men there is a long and nasty history to where the woman has every reason to be uncomfortable and afraid, you on the other hand are just being childish.

good post

[chadstallion]

Tony's biggest problem stems from his insecurities that gays in the locker won't find him attractive.

Hence the reason he continues to run in circles chasing his tail.

i've thought for years and am amused when others think the same thing.

[tonymctones]

Tony's biggest problem stems from his insecurities that gays in the locker won't find him attractive.

Hence the reason he continues to run in circles chasing his tail.

lol been hit on by one of you fairies in the locker room, didnt enjoy it all to much

[tonymctones]

good post

so is it only straights that cant control themselves or is it gays too straw? guess since sandow didnt post any studies to back up his idiocy its probably going to go unmentioned?

probably wont respond to this post will you?