Biden Says Gay Marriage 'Inevitable'

[tonymctones]

And how do you determine who someone is attracted to?

valid point, but the individual changing rooms would take care of this problem eh?

just for arguments sake though lets say you ask as a requirement to joining the gym...

also seeing as you didnt answer ill ask again, do you think its acceptable for the cross dressing man to be able to hit on guys he finds sexually attractive in the locker room?

how about you straw?

[240 is Back]

i've skipped the last 9 pages, but...

are we all in agreement that dudes from getbig should be able to walk around nude in the ladies shower room?

We can agree on that much, right fellahs?

[chadstallion]

lol been hit on by one of you fairies in the locker room, didnt enjoy it all to much

only one?  you need to work out more; get that body into better shape! 

[chadstallion]

i've skipped the last 9 pages, but...

are we all in agreement that dudes from getbig should be able to walk around nude in the ladies shower room?

We can agree on that much, right fellahs?

good idea; works for me.

[Straw Man]

valid point, but the individual changing rooms would take care of this problem eh?

just for arguments sake though lets say you ask as a requirement to joining the gym...

also seeing as you didnt answer ill ask again, do you think its acceptable for the cross dressing man to be able to hit on guys he finds sexually attractive in the locker room?

how about you straw?

I gave you my "solution" to your non-existent problem 5 pages ago.

here it is again.  read it slowly and carefully

haven't all straight people shared lockers rooms with gay people their entire lives  
I honestly can't ever recall an instance that I've read or heard about where gay people have harassed straight people

I have heard or an occassion or two (or a thousand) of straight people harassing gay people and it's usually straight men doing the harassing

maybe we can put straight men in one room and everyone else in another or maybe we can just have one room for men and one for woman and post a sign saying if you have a problem with it then don't use the locker room

[Skip8282]

i've skipped the last 9 pages, but...

are we all in agreement that dudes from getbig should be able to walk around nude in the ladies shower room?

We can agree on that much, right fellahs?

Yes, yes we can agree on that.

[Al Doggity]

valid point, but the individual changing rooms would take care of this problem eh?

Yes, if your primary goal is to make sure people who are sexually attracted to each other aren't in the same facilities. But your argument has been that because you are not allowed to share bathrooms and locker rooms with women, gays have a civil right that you don't. Attraction is a mental thing- gender is not. How does the fact that bathrooms are not separated by thoughts equal "civil rights violation"?

just for arguments sake though lets say you ask as a requirement to joining the gym...

What does that accomplish if someone chooses not to answer truthfully? Or defines sexual orientation in a different way?Even though there can be controversies with gender, it's generally straightforward.

also seeing as you didnt answer ill ask again, do you think its acceptable for the cross dressing man to be able to hit on guys he finds sexually attractive in the locker room?

how about you straw?

Things I find unacceptable happen in bathrooms all the time. I walked into the locker room a few days ago and heard some dude talking about his "kike boss." However, both are essentially freedom of speech issues. Having said that, you're aware of Larry Craig, right? Depending on what and how the advance was made, said cross-dresser can be arrested.

 Sandow's post was 100% correct. I didn't want to get into it too deeply earlier because this thread is already all over the place, but gender separation is not to separate people who are attracted to each other. It is to separate MEN from WOMEN. it's about rape and violence OVERWHELMINGLY committed on women by men.Outside of prison, man-on-man rape is not very common. Male-on-female sexually based crimes are a common occurence. Separating the sexes was not about making sure neither gender was sexually harassed. When bathrooms were initially segregated by gender, the concept of sexual harassment wasn't even in existence. Separating by gender was about preventing PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.

[Skip8282]

i've skipped the last 9 pages, but...

are we all in agreement that dudes from getbig should be able to walk around nude in the ladies shower room?

We can agree on that much, right fellahs?

This is how we should be showering, 240.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/104171/starship_troopers_shower_scene/

[tonymctones]

Yes, if your primary goal is to make sure people who are sexually attracted to each other aren't in the same facilities. But your argument has been that because you are not allowed to share bathrooms and locker rooms with women, gays have a civil right that you don't. Attraction is a mental thing- gender is not. How does the fact that bathrooms are not separated by thoughts equal "civil rights violation"?

LOL again that is a tongue in cheek, there are more than just that reason to be against gays in locker rooms, such as sexual harassment...

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!

GENDER IS MENTAL!!!!!!
http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Gender-issues-in-mental-health.html

which is why you can have gender issuessssss...you dont have sex issuessssss

SEX IS PHYSICAL!!!!!!!!!!

[tonymctones]

Things I find unacceptable happen in bathrooms all the time. I walked into the locker room a few days ago and heard some dude talking about his "kike boss." However, both are essentially freedom of speech issues. Having said that, you're aware of Larry Craig, right? Depending on what and how the advance was made, said cross-dresser can be arrested.

 Sandow's post was 100% correct. I didn't want to get into it too deeply earlier because this thread is already all over the place, but gender separation is not to separate people who are attracted to each other. It is to separate MEN from WOMEN. it's about rape and violence OVERWHELMINGLY committed on women by men.Outside of prison, man-on-man rape is not very common. Male-on-female sexually based crimes are a common occurence. Separating the sexes was not about making sure neither gender was sexually harassed. When bathrooms were initially segregated by gender, the concept of sexual harassment wasn't even in existence. Separating by gender was about preventing PHYSICAL VIOLENCE.

why even put ppl in that situation al?

so youre ok with gays hitting on straights in locker rooms where they are getting undressed/dressed?

LOL so again its only straight men that cant control themselves?

any studies to back that up?

[tonymctones]

Gender identity disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity_disorder

"One contemporary treatment for this disorder consists primarily of physical modifications to bring the body into harmony with one's perception of mental (psychological, emotional) gender identity, rather than vice versa."

thats a mental issue, not a physical issue

[Soul Crusher]

I can't believe how long this thread has gone.

[LurkerNoMore]

only one?  you need to work out more; get that body into better shape! 

Not many gay men at the Curves where he works out at I suppose.

[Al Doggity]

LOL again that is a tongue in cheek, there are more than just that reason to be against gays in locker rooms, such as sexual harassment...

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!

GENDER IS MENTAL!!!!!!
http://www.minddisorders.com/Flu-Inv/Gender-issues-in-mental-health.html

which is why you can have gender issuessssss...you dont have sex issuessssss

SEX IS PHYSICAL!!!!!!!!!!

My use of gender was accurate. Pre- op transsexuals are biologically men, but usually opt to use women's rooms.  I never said that gender was physical, just that it is not mental, in that you don't have to read someone's mind to determine their gender. Even effeminate gay men are considered to be men by most of society. I've actually been using "gender" instead of "sex" for that very reason.

[Al Doggity]

LOL again that is a tongue in cheek, there are more than just that reason to be against gays in locker rooms, such as sexual harassment...

Dude, whether or not you believe there are good reasons to be against gays in locker rooms was never the issue. You tried to make a fallacious argument that the gays' inability to marry was counterbalanced by their "right" to share facilities with people they may be attracted to. You argued that this is a civil rights issue, even though you can't really define how. You said gay= "someone attracted to a person of the same sex".... ummm, okay. So, what, now we're gonna segregate bathrooms based on thoughts? And in the quoted post, you specifically say "against gays in locker rooms", not "we should have single occupancy dressing rooms" or whatever.

[Al Doggity]

LOL so again its only straight men that cant control themselves?

any studies to back that up?

No one said only straight men can't control themselves- just that women make up the overwhelming majority of sexually based attacks. All men aren't rapists, but most rapists are men. That's putting it glibly, you get the drift. I'm not going to even bother providing  crime stats because they are easy enough to google and, realistically, no one with a working brain should even question that.

why even put ppl in that situation al?

so youre ok with gays hitting on straights in locker rooms where they are getting undressed/dressed?

People get hit on, mctones. That's life. If someone's actions are egregious enough, then they will be prosecuted. Regardless of whether or not I'm "okay" with it, I don't consider it a civil rights violation. If a gay guy made other members of my gym feel uncomfortable by leering at them or making advances, he'd be reprimanded.

And once again, you say "keep gays out of locker rooms", but how do you propose doing that? Advocating single occupancy units is one thing, but advocating excluding gays is completely different. How do you propose accurately defining and detecting gays so we can keep them out?

[Dos Equis]

My use of gender was accurate. Pre- op transsexuals are biologically men, but usually opt to use women's rooms.  I never said that gender was physical, just that it is not mental, in that you don't have to read someone's mind to determine their gender. Even effeminate gay men are considered to be men by most of society. I've actually been using "gender" instead of "sex" for that very reason.

Not really.  There is a new classification called "gender identity."  This is how we define it here (same is a number of other cities):

""Gender identity or expression" includes a person's actual or perceived gender, as well as a person's gender identity, gender-related self image, gender-related appearance, or gender-related expression; regardless of whether that gender identity, gender-related self image, gender-related appearance, or gender-related expression is different from that traditionally associated with the person's sex at birth."

Good luck figuring some of that out without reading someone's mind. 

[Al Doggity]

 
 

Not really.  There is a new classification called "gender identity."  This is how we define it here (same is a number of other cities):

Well, from the excerpt in your post:

"Gender identity or expression" includes a person's ACTUAL or perceived gender"

Then there's this from an earlier post of mine, reply #206,
 

Even though there can be controversies with gender, it's GENERALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

So, yeah, I wasn't speaking in absolute terms but the paragraph you posted actually supports what I was saying.

Posting from iPhone, so apologies if formatting is crap.
 

[Al Doggity]

I can't believe how long this thread has gone.

Believe it or not, this isn't even a subject I feel passionately about. I'm just fascinated by tonymctones' idea of "logic'. The points of his argument, when taken as a whole, completely contradict each other.

I'm also playing an ongoing drinking game where I take a shot every time one of his posts contains "LOL" or "LMAO".  

[Dos Equis]

 
Well, from the excerpt in your post:Then there's this from an earlier post of mine, reply #206,
 
So, yeah, I wasn't speaking in absolute terms but the paragraph you posted actually supports what I was saying.

Posting from iPhone, so apologies if formatting is crap.
 

Understood. 

Question:  how do you determine someone's "gender-related self image"?  (I have no idea.) 

[chadstallion]

Tony Mc is so concerned about gays in his gym; start your own club. Buy one for sale; pass out keys to only your friends and those who can be trusted not to stare at you in the locker room.  Make it a private place; not open to the public.  Invite women only if they will use the same shower area as men.  Simple answer to your concern.

Thank you, please drive through.
Next......

[Soul Crusher]

I'm up for that.  Only women w curves fat asses and boobs allowed.

[Dos Equis]

Tony Mc is so concerned about gays in his gym; start your own club. Buy one for sale; pass out keys to only your friends and those who can be trusted not to stare at you in the locker room.  Make it a private place; not open to the public.  Invite women only if they will use the same shower area as men.  Simple answer to your concern.

Thank you, please drive through.
Next......

That's really not the issue.  It's about privacy.  That's the reason we separate men and women in bathrooms, showers, and locker rooms.

[Straw Man]

Tony Mc is so concerned about gays in his gym; start your own club. Buy one for sale; pass out keys to only your friends and those who can be trusted not to stare at you in the locker room.  Make it a private place; not open to the public.  Invite women only if they will use the same shower area as men.  Simple answer to your concern.

Thank you, please drive through.
Next......

even easier

Tony can just wear earplugs in the locker room then he won't be able to listen in on other peoples conversations  either that or he can just mind his own f'ng business which is what normal adults would do

[tu_holmes]

even easier

Tony can just wear earplugs in the locker room then he won't be able to listen in on other peoples conversations  either than or he can just mind his own f'ng business which is what normal adults would do

Actually, this was something I was wondering about when I read about it.

Do you ever have conversations with your boys about fucking chicks? I hear these conversations in locker rooms all of the time... I've been involved with them.

Perhaps the homosexuals do not actually like hearing about you banging bitches?

It's a two way street when it comes to being "uncomfortable" listening to conversations right?